hawkens982 wrote...
Actually, you can't. If you read my post in its entirety, you'll know that if you start a brand new character in ME2, certain decisions are already made for you by default and that I did not have a ME1 import as I played the first game on the PC.
Snowraptor wrote...
Ithought it was a kick to renegade choices balls, or majority renegade players that chose to keep the base, choosing to destroy it has shepard saying "I wont let fear compromise who i am." I alwasy thought that made the people who chose to keep the collector base more cowardly, you have to use thier tech to fight back, and i refuse because it has killed and proccesed thousands of inoccent people
jasonontko wrote...
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
jasonontko wrote...
Series5Ranger wrote...
You kept the base, I understand why you did, but were you even paying attention, in the 1st or 2nd game, or actually talked to Legion, or played the Cerberus research team logs during the Reaper IFF Mission?
Yes I have and perhaps you should tell me how exactly your plan on dealing with the reapers without that base? Is there anything in ME2 that says you will have anything to take them on. Your as much rolling the dice blowing the thing as I am rolling the dice giving TIM it, hence the concern that the writers are going to make this a duh decesion that will make ME3 not as interesting as I could be.
Also I do not think stupid enough to get indoctrinated, I think he is capable of evil but I think it may be a lesser evil compare to what the reapers will do.
You destroyed a Reaper before and sure they destroyed the Council's army... but the Council was also unprepared.
This time around you have experience w/ the Reapers, they won't be able to isolated each planet and conquer it, and you can have the entire galaxy ready to fight.
Even Sovreign admitted that an entire galatic force untied is a threat to the Reapers, quite obviously using their technology isn't the only way to defeat them. Both the Paragon and Renegade can defeat the Reapers, their choices only differ in what will happen to the galaxy afterwords. The Renegade will create a human empire that subjugates the other races (and thus is the side that shows lack of foresight) while the Paragon has everyone coexist.
Yes but they are not ready and they dont believe the reapers are comming and you just blew up the only proof they exist.
Cajeb wrote...
Um what is your point? I did save Rachni and rewrote the Geth. Haven't saved Krogan but didn't destroy the cure either. Doesn't change the fact that humanity sorta took over if you let the original council die and I'm willing to bet that handing the base over to a pro-human group is going to have a similar result. It's like Renegade is supposed to be Pro-Human Imperialist and Paragon is trying to bring the races together. I just hope that giving the base to Cerberus doesn't result in human domination like destroying the council did.
jasonontko wrote...
I saved the council and was pissed that they still did not listen me. I dont want human dominace either but man, they are making hard for me to help them. If Cerberus is the only organization willing to plan for the reapers then so be it.
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
jasonontko wrote...
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
jasonontko wrote...
Series5Ranger wrote...
You kept the base, I understand why you did, but were you even paying attention, in the 1st or 2nd game, or actually talked to Legion, or played the Cerberus research team logs during the Reaper IFF Mission?
Yes I have and perhaps you should tell me how exactly your plan on dealing with the reapers without that base? Is there anything in ME2 that says you will have anything to take them on. Your as much rolling the dice blowing the thing as I am rolling the dice giving TIM it, hence the concern that the writers are going to make this a duh decesion that will make ME3 not as interesting as I could be.
Also I do not think stupid enough to get indoctrinated, I think he is capable of evil but I think it may be a lesser evil compare to what the reapers will do.
You destroyed a Reaper before and sure they destroyed the Council's army... but the Council was also unprepared.
This time around you have experience w/ the Reapers, they won't be able to isolated each planet and conquer it, and you can have the entire galaxy ready to fight.
Even Sovreign admitted that an entire galatic force untied is a threat to the Reapers, quite obviously using their technology isn't the only way to defeat them. Both the Paragon and Renegade can defeat the Reapers, their choices only differ in what will happen to the galaxy afterwords. The Renegade will create a human empire that subjugates the other races (and thus is the side that shows lack of foresight) while the Paragon has everyone coexist.
Yes but they are not ready and they dont believe the reapers are comming and you just blew up the only proof they exist.
Yeah, the Council are idiots. I think even if you bring them the proof you get they still will dismiss it, still it isn't like Cerebrus is going to share their evidence w/ the Council either if you do keep the base.
I think what Shepard has to do in ME3 is to form alliances w/ the Quarians, Rachni, Krogan, and Geth (all of the outcasts essentially) and give the Council a big FU and say "Join us or reap what you sow". It's obvious that Cerebrus/Alliance and the Council aren't going to save the galaxy, Shepard will. It is taking a stand against human racism and the Council's racism.
Cajeb wrote...
Um what is your point? I did save Rachni and rewrote the Geth. Haven't saved Krogan but didn't destroy the cure either. Doesn't change the fact that humanity sorta took over if you let the original council die and I'm willing to bet that handing the base over to a pro-human group is going to have a similar result. It's like Renegade is supposed to be Pro-Human Imperialist and Paragon is trying to bring the races together. I just hope that giving the base to Cerberus doesn't result in human domination like destroying the council did.
runab0ut wrote...
hawkens982 wrote...
Actually, you can't. If you read my post in its entirety, you'll know that if you start a brand new character in ME2, certain decisions are already made for you by default and that I did not have a ME1 import as I played the first game on the PC.
Obviously they have to start you from somewhere.
Either you rent the first game on your console or get the PC version, if you really want complete continuity of your character.
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Alex_The_Bloody wrote...
As for being prepared the council is screwed no matter what i mean there living in a reaper vessel remember and the keepers have a sleeper program installed (not to mention the citadel produces an ifinite amount) which im sure is to help us not the reapers right? On top of that the reapers controll the relays so bam they shut them down all planets are cut off from one another except wait those with reaper tech like the normandy. The reapers will use the relays to royally screw over the galaxy bank on it. I see omega as a possible staging ground for Sheps forces to gather and destroy the citadel in ME3
Your just upset cause you know what my point provesAlex_The_Bloody wrote...
Snowraptor wrote...
Ithought it was a kick to renegade choices balls, or majority renegade players that chose to keep the base, choosing to destroy it has shepard saying "I wont let fear compromise who i am." I alwasy thought that made the people who chose to keep the collector base more cowardly, you have to use thier tech to fight back, and i refuse because it has killed and proccesed thousands of inoccent people
Thats one way to look at it but i dont think its cowardly to say this mother****er took out half my crew i better get all that i can from it, blowing it up is a purley gut level reaction and when the fate of the universe is at play you gotta go with more than your gut. If your blowing it up your running away from the reapers giving them the upper hand by not fully understanding them and you fear what you dont understand simple as that. On the other hand by keeping it you risk a great many things your soul being at the top of the list but again isnt the life of one man even ten worth giving if it means saving the galaxy. Plus everytime i use my reaper enhanced ship to tear the Reaper fleet a new one ill know that those it wasw the right call lol
Snowraptor wrote...
Your just upset cause you know what my point provesAlex_The_Bloody wrote...
Snowraptor wrote...
Ithought it was a kick to renegade choices balls, or majority renegade players that chose to keep the base, choosing to destroy it has shepard saying "I wont let fear compromise who i am." I alwasy thought that made the people who chose to keep the collector base more cowardly, you have to use thier tech to fight back, and i refuse because it has killed and proccesed thousands of inoccent people
Thats one way to look at it but i dont think its cowardly to say this mother****er took out half my crew i better get all that i can from it, blowing it up is a purley gut level reaction and when the fate of the universe is at play you gotta go with more than your gut. If your blowing it up your running away from the reapers giving them the upper hand by not fully understanding them and you fear what you dont understand simple as that. On the other hand by keeping it you risk a great many things your soul being at the top of the list but again isnt the life of one man even ten worth giving if it means saving the galaxy. Plus everytime i use my reaper enhanced ship to tear the Reaper fleet a new one ill know that those it wasw the right call lol
Myrmedus wrote...
runab0ut wrote...
hawkens982 wrote...
Actually, you can't. If you read my post in its entirety, you'll know that if you start a brand new character in ME2, certain decisions are already made for you by default and that I did not have a ME1 import as I played the first game on the PC.
Obviously they have to start you from somewhere.
Either you rent the first game on your console or get the PC version, if you really want complete continuity of your character.
Yes but I think the point they were making is that if you were truly to be '****-blocked' by Renegade decisions they wouldn't setup the default profile to let the Council die.
In short, we Renegades should be fine.
Alex_The_Bloody wrote...
Cajeb wrote...
Um what is your point? I did save Rachni and rewrote the Geth. Haven't saved Krogan but didn't destroy the cure either. Doesn't change the fact that humanity sorta took over if you let the original council die and I'm willing to bet that handing the base over to a pro-human group is going to have a similar result. It's like Renegade is supposed to be Pro-Human Imperialist and Paragon is trying to bring the races together. I just hope that giving the base to Cerberus doesn't result in human domination like destroying the council did.
My point uh just what i said really that you can make some renegade choices and some paragon ones thereby walking a middle ground. You could for example do all renegade choices and then blow up the friggin base or all paragon then keep it all im saying if the choices that you make actually matter i hope the choice on whether i blew up or kept the base is not the only one that directly effects humanity and its place in the universe. Since i to saved the geth and the rachni id hope that comes into play just as much as the base stuff. And you could of course save the council the game doesnt lock you into making only renegade or paragon choices i mean it actaully doesnt matter plot wise whether you did or didnt but you could have played the game as a renegade and save the council like i did thereby promoting alien races and such even if you played most of the game as a renegade. Thats all i was saying. Either way the game is about promoting/protecting human interets its just a choice as to whether its at the expense of other races or working with them and i like that you can do both at the same time in the game ie save the council and then hand the base over to cerebus. Being a blunt instrument a diplomat or something inbetween.
SmokePants wrote...
You know how the writers are going to address this choice in ME3? They're going to marginalize it to the point where it's irrelevant to the story. That's what they did with the Council. That's what they did with Wrex, Kaiden, Ashley, Liara. That's what they do. That's the only way they can make these games. The repurcussions in ME3 will be a couple of lines of differing dialogue and that's it.
jasonontko wrote...
Oh not this again. If EDI could data mine everthing why did you have to get the IFF off the derlict reaper. And could it really collect astonomical amount of tech on that station? If there was a Codex that said EDI could upload everything just by scanning, then I would give that. There is nothing in ME2 that says EDI scan gives you everything and I cnat see how the scan will even by undstandable without a wroking model. It would take engineers decades to work off a schematic of something that complex. Then you got the council needs proof and do you think edis scan will be enough, they dont believ me, the man who saved their asses, will they believe EDi.? NO you got to take a rep and show them the damn thing.
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