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[Sajuro]

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

[Weiser_Cain]

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

It'd be nice to get to have an effect on her look depending on what the status of you relationship is.

[Weiser_Cain]

...And armor. I want her in proper armor.

[Sajuro]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

It'd be nice to get to have an effect on her look depending on what the status of you relationship is.

How about Shep changes his look based on his relationship with Jack? Why is it in fiction that the girl is expected to change her appearance and personality when she falls for a man?
I point to the example in Grease when the girl becomes a biker chick and the guy simply puts on some preppy clothes, taking them off and reverting back to his old personality as soon as soon as he sees she has changed who she is for him... ah true love /sarcasm

[Chuvvy]

[Sajuro]

that is hot, just not for Jack

[Weiser_Cain]

Sajuro wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

It'd be nice to get to have an effect on her look depending on what the status of you relationship is.

How about Shep changes his look based on his relationship with Jack? Why is it in fiction that the girl is expected to change her appearance and personality when she falls for a man?
I point to the example in Grease when the girl becomes a biker chick and the guy simply puts on some preppy clothes, taking them off and reverting back to his old personality as soon as soon as he sees she has changed who she is for him... ah true love /sarcasm

I love how you cram motives down my throat. a good half of my playthroughs are with a femshep, who I also want to take the lead in relationships because dammit I'm Shepard.

[Sajuro]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

It'd be nice to get to have an effect on her look depending on what the status of you relationship is.

How about Shep changes his look based on his relationship with Jack? Why is it in fiction that the girl is expected to change her appearance and personality when she falls for a man?
I point to the example in Grease when the girl becomes a biker chick and the guy simply puts on some preppy clothes, taking them off and reverting back to his old personality as soon as soon as he sees she has changed who she is for him... ah true love /sarcasm

I love how you cram motives down my throat. a good half of my playthroughs are with a femshep, who I also want to take the lead in relationships because dammit I'm Shepard.

Sorry for the cramming, I was just taking out my rage against the trend of chickification. I don't think that either party in a relationship should be forced to change like is suggested with Jack, like just because you romance Garrus wouldn't make him a teddy bear if you taught him to be renegade in the first game.

[lovgreno]

Hair isn't Jacks style. She doesn't need or want to be the standard pretty girl all games are already full of. A stubborn selfish (in a good way) rebel like Jack wouldn't fall for a Shepard who wanted to change her into something else, she would choose a Shepard who likes her how she is.

[Weiser_Cain]

Jack isn't selfish in a good way and how she was was hurt and messed up, treat her right and she's going to change like it or not.

[Sajuro]

She'll grow more trusting of Shepard and less selfish, but she'd still have that mile wide mean streak, so she might change in regards to her interactions with Shepard but she won't suddenly become a good person because your Shep treats her right.

[Foolsfolly]

Jack Anvil wrote...

Does anyone else support this? If so, back me up here. 

If she stays Renegade and makes a cameo in the second game, I'm fine with classic Subject Zero - the same way you find her on Purgatory. But if she's been romanced by a Paragon and opened up emotionally, I think she should start emulating a functional person, at least aesthetically. Plus, she'd be hella prettier.

Thoughts?

I've wanted that since I romanced her. I thought it would be a simple and easy way to show that Jack is better now...just a bit. The tats should stay because it's her past but the hair growing would be a clear visible cue and the very act that it's growing shows a form of life that Jack didn't have when we met her. She didn't care if lived or died but now there's a sign of growth and life on her that wasn't there before.

It'd be sweet. Simple. Easy. And it'd show a real difference between how you'd impacted the game. A good consquence for your actions in ME2.

[onelifecrisis]

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

What, so, the sole purpose of a thread is to discuss with the OP and not with each other?

I think Jack with a little bit of hair would make sense if and only if Shepard paragon-romanced her. People change.

[Foolsfolly]

Sajuro wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

It'd be nice to get to have an effect on her look depending on what the status of you relationship is.

How about Shep changes his look based on his relationship with Jack? Why is it in fiction that the girl is expected to change her appearance and personality when she falls for a man?
I point to the example in Grease when the girl becomes a biker chick and the guy simply puts on some preppy clothes, taking them off and reverting back to his old personality as soon as soon as he sees she has changed who she is for him... ah true love /sarcasm

I love how you cram motives down my throat. a good half of my playthroughs are with a femshep, who I also want to take the lead in relationships because dammit I'm Shepard.

Sorry for the cramming, I was just taking out my rage against the trend of chickification. I don't think that either party in a relationship should be forced to change like is suggested with Jack, like just because you romance Garrus wouldn't make him a teddy bear if you taught him to be renegade in the first game.

I get what you're saying, but hear me out.

Jack's not healthy. She's not in a good place. She's fatalistic, reckless, insecure, and really messed up with her relationships with other people.

A Paragon Shepard should change that in some small way. I'm not saying Jack should get a nice dress and fawn over Shepard. Some form of new hairstyle would show growth and that she's alive for the first time since she was that little girl taken and tortured and turned into a weapon by Cerberus.

She's still going to be Jack, and I wouldn't want her any other way. She's mean, tough, and angry. You mess with her and she kills you. But some hair growth would be a nice visual showing that her time with Shepard's changed her for the better.

Likewise, she'd still be bald and fatalistic (though Loyal) to a Renegade Shepard who she thinks just wants her as a big gun to point at the Reapers. There's be no emotional growth to her as she'd still be that mean, insecure, distrusting, psycho on the lower deck. She's got a pulse but she's still seeking death while at the same time hiding from it.

I don't think that's chickification. I think that'd be character development and I for one would very much welcome it.

[Weiser_Cain]

You know considering the fact that she puts a shirt on once you gain her loyalty I'd say a different haircut isn't off the table.

bed time now

[Rzepik2]

As an author of this humble pic I must say that....
I prefer her bald. One reason - I wish my male Shepard has long hair and with her around my Shep almost feels like he has a nice long ponytail.

Modifié par Rzepik2, 03 juin 2010 - 08:33 .

[Jestina]

Jack was part of a cult...and she kept the haircut. And she looks good bald.



No need to turn her into some kind of over proportioned bimbo like Miranda.

[Foolsfolly]

Hey? I love Jack's ballerina figure! We already have a Barbie doll figure character. Hair's not going to change her figure.

[Massadonious1]

Giving her hair would be like giving Miranda reduction surgery for her "ass"ets.

[Sajuro]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

The OP changed his mind but people still want Jack to be chickified just because Shep romanced her.

It'd be nice to get to have an effect on her look depending on what the status of you relationship is.

How about Shep changes his look based on his relationship with Jack? Why is it in fiction that the girl is expected to change her appearance and personality when she falls for a man?
I point to the example in Grease when the girl becomes a biker chick and the guy simply puts on some preppy clothes, taking them off and reverting back to his old personality as soon as soon as he sees she has changed who she is for him... ah true love /sarcasm

I love how you cram motives down my throat. a good half of my playthroughs are with a femshep, who I also want to take the lead in relationships because dammit I'm Shepard.

Sorry for the cramming, I was just taking out my rage against the trend of chickification. I don't think that either party in a relationship should be forced to change like is suggested with Jack, like just because you romance Garrus wouldn't make him a teddy bear if you taught him to be renegade in the first game.

I get what you're saying, but hear me out.

Jack's not healthy. She's not in a good place. She's fatalistic, reckless, insecure, and really messed up with her relationships with other people.

A Paragon Shepard should change that in some small way. I'm not saying Jack should get a nice dress and fawn over Shepard. Some form of new hairstyle would show growth and that she's alive for the first time since she was that little girl taken and tortured and turned into a weapon by Cerberus.

She's still going to be Jack, and I wouldn't want her any other way. She's mean, tough, and angry. You mess with her and she kills you. But some hair growth would be a nice visual showing that her time with Shepard's changed her for the better.

Likewise, she'd still be bald and fatalistic (though Loyal) to a Renegade Shepard who she thinks just wants her as a big gun to point at the Reapers. There's be no emotional growth to her as she'd still be that mean, insecure, distrusting, psycho on the lower deck. She's got a pulse but she's still seeking death while at the same time hiding from it.

I don't think that's chickification. I think that'd be character development and I for one would very much welcome it.

I know she isn't in a good place, but a new hairstyle isn't needed for her to move on since she could show growth by actually leaving her little hidey hole for somewhere more open on the Normandy, also you could show it with her body language and the shirt you get when she becomes loyal.

She could be just bald, and I know plenty of people who are fatalistic and have hair. If we were going to use hair as a metaphor for getting better mentally, would Thane be wearing a wig next game if he reconciled with his son? I'm just saying that hair growth doesn't equal emotional growth and the whole thing (nothing against you) reeks of 'making her look pretty because you're good'.

[Foolsfolly]

It's not making you look pretty because you're good. She's likely so tattooed and bald to be intimidating and to self alienate herself. Some hair would be a sign that she wants to at least attempt to become apart of society again.



Even better it'd be understood because of the visual which means no out of character Jack telling Shepard how they've changed her. Because Jack'll never admit such to anyone, even Shepard.

[Jestina]

Massadonious1 wrote...
Giving her hair would be like giving Miranda reduction surgery for her "ass"ets.

She would get a free but painful ass reduction in combat whenever she had to low crawl.

[stewie1974]

I like jack.
I hate her hair cut.

It's subjective...sure....but ya know its ok to look chickafied if you are a chick....anyhow...she's not the only bald love interest...look at all them asari.

but as others have said... her tattoos and haircut are meant to alienate others.... make her look tough ...hell her whole character is putting up a fight when you try to talk to her....why do you think she chose her external appeance because it's a fashion statement and she's comfortable with others....

nuh...jacks psychology clearly indicate she wan'ts people to stay the hell away, her appearance just reinforces that...
and incase you missed the joke "Joined a cult, kept the hair cut"...... erm ...dude, it's a "cult haircut"..... it was hardly HER choice......

as for the thane and a wig scenerio.... yeah ....well that's just a strawman argument... krell can't grow hair, and hair has no meaning in their society...... lack of hair dosn't make them look menancing or anti social....

And hair growth dosn't mean emotional growth sure..... but in the case of jack... it may mean she's put all the childish standoffish bull**** behind her....  and again, the dude wasn't saying "hair growth = emotional growth" for everyone... it's on a character level...

Jack got a standoffish haircut given to her by a cult......
Jack feels comfortable and less standoffish and less socially awkward..... jack grows hair.. this is just "jack" we are talking about.


Oh final note.... anyone that says jacks "hair" and "tattoos" define her character...clearly have NO character...

Character is defined by mother****ing character not by mother****ing appearance.....

Modifié par stewie1974, 15 septembre 2010 - 04:34 .