Alexandus wrote...
"Simply that I disagree with your opinion of the geth and your cowboy summary of it "History teaches that peace cannot be bought."" -Are you fond of the Geth then? I liked Legion, but looking at the matter from a Quarian standpoint, they deprived them of their homeworld, drove them into exile, and made their race a lowered mockery of what it once was. Space Gypsies, to put it bluntly.
Yes, I am fond of them. After talking with Legion I am even more disturbed by the Quarians attempted genecide of the fledgling species they created. When Legion discusses the Morning War, you can actually feel the innocence of the Geth position. For 300 years the Geth have wondered why their creators attempted to kill them. They had no warning, and have never been able to comprehend the Quarians actions. Legion even calls Tali "creator". The Geth seem to hold some reverence for the Quarians, much as a child does its parents, despite the Quarian's attempt to destroy them.
Honestly, no one but the Quarians themselves did any of those things. They created the Geth, then tried to end them once they became self-aware. The Quarians chose violence over all other options, the Geth defended their right to exist. The Quarians left their world when the Geth proved superior in warfare, and I get the feeling that the Quarians never attempted to engage in negotiation with the Geth (though I can see how trying to talk after attempting genocide may not be much of an option, I still doubt the Quarians ever even tried it though). The Quarians chose to exile themselves, as the Geth have not followed (at least until the heretics of ME 1). At any point in the past 300 years, the Quarians could have begun the process of colonizing worlds (as humans have managed to colonize worlds well within that timeframe). The Quarians have no one to blame for their current position but themselves. Tali certainly seems to be aware of that, as the only thing she seems to disagree with my perspective on their past with the Geth is that starting the Morning War was a mistake (and I expect that has more to do with being raised with her father's beliefs than it does being a rationally considered position).
They need to let the past go, and look to the future of their species. To extend your Native American reference, they need to consider that they are in no position to have seven more generations if they waste their populace and resources on restarting an old war they lost once already. Instead, they should be lloking into alternative options. I think Tali convinced too many people with her implied false dilemma in ME 1. There is certainly truth to the statement that synthetic life does not need organic life to persist. Why does that mean synthetic life must destroy organic life (which the the implication she carries in her statement)? I don't need my hair to persist, but I see no benefit in removing it either. What do the Geth gain by actively seeking the destruction of organic life? I don't need air conditioning to live, but I like having it. Why is it assumed the Geth are incapable of similar thought? Once they became self-aware, they ceased to be creatures of pure logic (even if they still tend to use it, as it is all they know).
"Only morons would want a war for the sake of "innovating technology"." Now now, I didn't say they should assault the geth simply for technology, did I? To humor you, technology IS extremely important. Improved tech saves and improves lives, directly or indirectly benefiting medical, agricultural, safety, or economic pursuits. But its far from the most important reason. As I mentioned above, being in essence Space Gypsies has been hard on their species. Their practice of pilgrimidge is directly because of their population exceeding the migrant fleet's ability to sustain it. They have become immuno-comprised because of their homeworld being wrested from them.
They were in the most ideal position to win against the Geth during the Morning War. They knew virtually everything about the tech the Geth used (only unaware of their actual intelligence level), had a larger population, stronger immune systems, more resources, etc. They still lost. Now they have 300 years of seperation from any real intel about the state of their home or the Geth who defend it. I would assume that the Geth likely have created more of themselves using the resources available, and have developed further advances in their own technology too. The idea that they are in any better position to combat the Geth now is unrealistic. Would it be impossible? No, but the scales are certainly tipped even further against them than during the Morning War. Since the first war went so poorly, why expect a better outcome now at the risk of the entire species?
Now, to address your point that the Geth would wipe the floor with the Quarians. If true that the Geth's strength greatly exceeds that of the Quarians, there are a number of things the Quarians can do to mitigate or reverse the situation. Firstly, the research that Admiral Morrigan advocates for, seizing control of geth, this path may bear fruit. Secondly, I think it wise for the Quarians to begin colonizing other worlds in preparation to taking back their homeworld, build up their strength.
I see the idea of attempting to enslave the Geth as both ethically wrong and utterly foolish. Tali even stated in the first game that the Quarians made a mistake in ever building the Geth, so what makes the idea of essentially repeating the greatest mistake the Quarian people have ever made seem like a great idea? Secondly, the Quarians are not seeking colonization of worlds to prepare to retake their home, they are considering one option or the other. Honestly, colonizing a new world is a great deal of effort, and they would likely lose support for the retaking of their homeworld after people began to adapt. Without the additional pressure of their current way of life, I could easily see the majority of the Quarians simply moving on. How long so Quarians even live? Are there any left alive who actually had been on their homeworld? The fewer that can actually know the difference between the world they had and the one they find, the less likely support for war becomes.
Lastly, consider this: With the Reapers advancing on the Milky Way, the Quarian preparations for war would be most advantageous for them and the galaxy at large, no?
Actually, I believe that the Geth would be at least as beneficial as the Quarians (and I'd ultimately prefer both). As Legion has already pointed out, the Geth are something that the Reapers never considered or accounted for in their planning. That makes me believe a united Geth and Quarian force would be one of the most beneficial things to fight the Reapers. Are the Geth even able to be indoctrinated? If not, that alone raises their value a great deal.
Edit: She will always be Admiral Aeryn Sun to me.
Modifié par Tokalla, 08 février 2010 - 10:40 .
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