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[screwoffreg]

Using Reaper technology, the "fluids" of Tali and Shepard mix to create a human-quarian-cybernetic hybrid that is the God child of the Mass Effect world

[Palathas]

Monstruo696 wrote...

The amount of facepalm generated by this thread gives me a headache.

Cover your hand with a moist teppid facecloth, it's almost calming.

[Jigero]

Palathas wrote...

Doc Bacon wrote...

I know this must have been asked before, but other than the asari, is it possible for two different species to have a child? I.E. Turian and Human. Or has this not been explained?

Not sure about Turians but Quarians have mammary glands so there's a chance that they are mammalian and may inter-breed.

every mammal on earth has mammaries and we can't breed with them. Quarian and human offspring would be impoissble.

[Arijharn]

Nibroc17 wrote...

lols i bet you think interracial romance is wrong to... racist bigot! lol

:S You are a tool. Interracial relationships are still between two people. As in, human beings. The two concepts are not in the slightest bit similar, unless you are a person who indeed somehow thinks that the colour of one's skin makes you superior/inferior to someone else.

In context of this game, you can argue definitely that I might be speciest (which is nonsense anyway, because I have a confirmed bromance with Garrus, he is the best non-human character in the game... other than perhaps Wrex?) but it's ridiculous to assume that I'm racist because I find the idea of human-alien romance (including sexual relationships) wrong.

[Daerog]

Arijharn wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

lols i bet you think interracial romance is wrong to... racist bigot! lol

:S You are a tool. Interracial relationships are still between two people. As in, human beings. The two concepts are not in the slightest bit similar, unless you are a person who indeed somehow thinks that the colour of one's skin makes you superior/inferior to someone else.

In context of this game, you can argue definitely that I might be speciest (which is nonsense anyway, because I have a confirmed bromance with Garrus, he is the best non-human character in the game... other than perhaps Wrex?) but it's ridiculous to assume that I'm racist because I find the idea of human-alien romance (including sexual relationships) wrong.

Nibroc was being sarcastic (or just playful, have to relook up the definition of sarcasm) with all the "lols" in his post, don't take it so personally.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 08 février 2010 - 09:26 .

[Arijharn]

Sorry, I can't read sarcasm very well over the interwebs, and it could presumably be an intent to mask his actual thoughts by mentioning the 'lols', but I digress, I've had a somewhat bad day and I appear to be taking it out on forumers.



With that being said, I apologise for the things I've said, but not my message.

[Tooneyman]

Lukertin wrote...

Didn't you see the Krogan-Human baby on Tuchanka?

 What someone has got to tell me about this. Please. Seriously. You better not be joking!

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

A species is defined as a group of organisms with that can are capable of producing a fertile offspring. There are a few hybrids known on Earth, like mules (donkeys X horses) and ligers (tiger X lion), but they are infertile. If donkeys and horses COULD produce a fertile offspring, they'd be considered the same species. That's just how we define what a species is.

Now conceivably, someone very gifted in genetic engineering could take a natural hybrid, put a ton of work into its genome, and make it fertile. However, this isn't what we're talking about here. Species that evolve on different planets will have virtually no genes in common. Custom-made life-forms can be built, but let's say you want to give a Quarian-Human baby Shepard's eyes. You wouldn't be inserting Shepard's genes into Tali, you'd have to write a completely new sequence that'd work in the Quarian genome (and gene structure!) to emulate the phenotype of Shepard's eyes. This child would be born with a similar characteristic to Shepard, but it would not carry any of Shepard's genes. The amount of work it would take to make a "Quarian" that emulated a significant number of human features in any meaningful way and still remains fertile would be... simply staggering. More expensive than the Lazarus project.

Adopt.

Modifié par Tony_Knightcrawler, 08 février 2010 - 09:28 .

[WarmachineX0]

Seriously people, WTF, why are you even discussing this. Now I've head everything from romantice relationships with legion, now wanting to give birth to some abomination that will live in the Citidel's air ducts eating little children.
Some of you REAAALLLY scare me.

[Teivel]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

-( explantion of why interspecies breeding fails by very definition) -

Adopt.

QFT

[Kerilus]

Arijharn wrote...

Nibroc17 wrote...

lols i bet you think interracial romance is wrong to... racist bigot! lol

:S You are a tool. Interracial relationships are still between two people. As in, human beings. The two concepts are not in the slightest bit similar, unless you are a person who indeed somehow thinks that the colour of one's skin makes you superior/inferior to someone else.

In context of this game, you can argue definitely that I might be speciest (which is nonsense anyway, because I have a confirmed bromance with Garrus, he is the best non-human character in the game... other than perhaps Wrex?) but it's ridiculous to assume that I'm racist because I find the idea of human-alien romance (including sexual relationships) wrong.

Why do you think that's wrong to have a romantic relationship with aliens? I think as long as they're sentient species which share elements like a similar degree of intelligence, emotion and the ability to communicate perfectly with human, they're ok to romance.

[Llandaryn]

WarmachineX0 wrote...

Seriously people, WTF, why are you even discussing this. Now I've head everything from romantice relationships with legion, now wanting to give birth to some abomination that will live in the Citidel's air ducts eating little children.
Some of you REAAALLLY scare me.

I think the discussion is interesting from a biological/genetics POV, but then, I am almost as big a nerd as Mordin. And I agree that we really don't need hybrids running around  the galaxy. Like someone else said, this isn't Star Trek.

[1490]

This has already been explained, but I'm going to second it:



Quarians don't even have amino-acid based DNA, so human DNA and quarian "DNA" or whatever genetic material they have wouldn't be able to interact at all. So unless someone found a way to completely translate quarian "DNA" into the human equivalent (the only way to do so would be experimentation, on a level so large it's completely unable to be accomplished), there's absolutely no way for quarian-human or turian-human children to exist.

[Flash Aron]

... so if someone dated Tali, the only outcome, should that Tali's immune system will improve, like it is said, that little children should eat some dirt in their live to improve their immune system, if they don't do it, their immune system will be always very weak ...



so I hope for my shep, that Tali will get an improved immune system out of that relationship, so I should call her every day up :-) to my cabin !



everything else shouldn't be possible in a natural way

[Shades_Shady]

Damn science. :|

[Arijharn]

Kerilus wrote...


Why do you think that's wrong to have a romantic relationship with aliens? I think as long as they're sentient species which share elements like a similar degree of intelligence, emotion and the ability to communicate perfectly with human, they're ok to romance.

I don't really know to be honest, it's just a deep seated sort of outlook. I like the idea of being good friends with them, and I delighted when Garrus and my Shep gave each other **** after I rescued him from Omega, that friendly brotherly banter, but a romantic relationship just doesn't make any sense to me.

I find the idea of romance to be like 'a meeting of the minds' but you won't get as far with that with an alien I believe because you're born on totally different worlds and star systems, that means there would always be some degree of disagreements by necessity (those that may be central to that species' outlook or whatever).

That, and if you were truly in love you might want children too. Of course, someone will say that I might have the same objections due to homosexual relations too, but at least with homosexual relations it's between two humans and thus they have a lot more in common.

Like I said, it's like a deep-seated aversion. Although I'd happily be Garrus' best man at his wedding, even if he married someone of another species.

[xMister Vx]

For the extra-Paragon epilogue, Shepard and Tali adopt several war orphans and peacefully settle on the Quarian homeworld. Birds chirp, and a Geth plays the piano in the background. The newscast announces that the Second Galactic Peace Conference has declared this the Galactic Year of the White Kitten; however, Batarians, still clinging to their old habits, have already organised large-scale smuggling operations of rare albino felines...

[1490]

Arijharn wrote...

Kerilus wrote...


Why do you think that's wrong to have a romantic relationship with aliens? I think as long as they're sentient species which share elements like a similar degree of intelligence, emotion and the ability to communicate perfectly with human, they're ok to romance.

I don't really know to be honest, it's just a deep seated sort of outlook. I like the idea of being good friends with them, and I delighted when Garrus and my Shep gave each other **** after I rescued him from Omega, that friendly brotherly banter, but a romantic relationship just doesn't make any sense to me.

I find the idea of romance to be like 'a meeting of the minds' but you won't get as far with that with an alien I believe because you're born on totally different worlds and star systems, that means there would always be some degree of disagreements by necessity (those that may be central to that species' outlook or whatever).

That, and if you were truly in love you might want children too. Of course, someone will say that I might have the same objections due to homosexual relations too, but at least with homosexual relations it's between two humans and thus they have a lot more in common.

Like I said, it's like a deep-seated aversion. Although I'd happily be Garrus' best man at his wedding, even if he married someone of another species.

The great thing about an RPG like ME is that you can make whatever choices you want.  If you are averted to the idea of homosexual relationships or interspecies relationships, you never have to go there in the game.  Same thing if it really bothers you being evil, you always have the choice to be good.  That's what makes it an enjoyable game: it goes the way you want it to.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

screwoffreg wrote...

Using Reaper technology, the "fluids" of Tali and Shepard mix to create a human-quarian-cybernetic hybrid that is the God child of the Mass Effect world

I shall call him...Jr.

[Kerilus]

Well, fair enough. I personally think romance is a spiritual thing and two sentient species can certainly share similarities and/thus affection for one another. For more mundane matters, I partially agree with you in the sense of a long-term relationship.

[Arijharn]

1490 wrote...

The great thing about an RPG like ME is that you can make whatever choices you want.  If you are averted to the idea of homosexual relationships or interspecies relationships, you never have to go there in the game.  Same thing if it really bothers you being evil, you always have the choice to be good.  That's what makes it an enjoyable game: it goes the way you want it to.

Exactly, I don't have any aversion to homosexual relationships, because they're still humans and thus I can see that they are more similar than dis-similiar. I also don't have problems with others liking the idea of relationships (although I did gag when that guy mentioned it, because I didn't see that coming) between alien species because, well... that's his/her business.

[GodWood]

Garrus/FemShep romance was easily the best. (IMO)

[ThatDancingTurian]

Humans and the ME aliens are also more similar than dissimilar, depending on your standards. They're both sapient. They feel the same emotions. They both walk on two legs and use two arms, equipped with fingers and toes. They have two eyes, a nose and mouth (at least, the ones considered close enough to romance do!). They have similar familial and social relationships. They wear clothes. They drink alcohol. They have jobs and careers and hobbies. Personality-wise, my FemShep is far more compatible with Garrus than she ever was with Kaidan.



As for physically... Well, Mordin covered that quite thoroughly.

[1490]

Arijharn wrote...

1490 wrote...

The great thing about an RPG like ME is that you can make whatever choices you want.  If you are averted to the idea of homosexual relationships or interspecies relationships, you never have to go there in the game.  Same thing if it really bothers you being evil, you always have the choice to be good.  That's what makes it an enjoyable game: it goes the way you want it to.

Exactly, I don't have any aversion to homosexual relationships, because they're still humans and thus I can see that they are more similar than dis-similiar. I also don't have problems with others liking the idea of relationships (although I did gag when that guy mentioned it, because I didn't see that coming) between alien species because, well... that's his/her business.

I think the main reason Bioware included the interspecies relationships in ME 2 was simply that there was a massive support for it by the fans.  I'm sure a lot of other people are like you and thinking that interspecies relationships are a disgusting concept, but there was aparrently enough of a demand for it that including it could increase game sales.  Otherwise, I doubt a money-making conglomerate like EA would risk allowing a controversial concept like that in a game with the possibility that it could hurt sales or bring bad PR. 

Here's an interesting thought: the new Sonic the Hedgehog game included an interspecies romance between Sonic and a human female, and at one point in the game they kiss.  The game got totally torn apart over the scene, which many people thought of as cringeworthy.  Contrarily, I haven't seen any criticism of the interspecies relationships in ME 2 in any review I've seen so far, even though those involve sex as compared to Sonic's simple kiss.  Maybe has to do with ME 2 being M rated and Sonic being E rated, but I'm wondering if acceptance is building and we'll start to see this more in future games?

[Jaymuse]

1490 wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

1490 wrote...

The great thing about an RPG like ME is that you can make whatever choices you want.  If you are averted to the idea of homosexual relationships or interspecies relationships, you never have to go there in the game.  Same thing if it really bothers you being evil, you always have the choice to be good.  That's what makes it an enjoyable game: it goes the way you want it to.

Exactly, I don't have any aversion to homosexual relationships, because they're still humans and thus I can see that they are more similar than dis-similiar. I also don't have problems with others liking the idea of relationships (although I did gag when that guy mentioned it, because I didn't see that coming) between alien species because, well... that's his/her business.

I think the main reason Bioware included the interspecies relationships in ME 2 was simply that there was a massive support for it by the fans.  I'm sure a lot of other people are like you and thinking that interspecies relationships are a disgusting concept, but there was aparrently enough of a demand for it that including it could increase game sales.  Otherwise, I doubt a money-making conglomerate like EA would risk allowing a controversial concept like that in a game with the possibility that it could hurt sales or bring bad PR. 

Here's an interesting thought: the new Sonic the Hedgehog game included an interspecies romance between Sonic and a human female, and at one point in the game they kiss.  The game got totally torn apart over the scene, which many people thought of as cringeworthy.  Contrarily, I haven't seen any criticism of the interspecies relationships in ME 2 in any review I've seen so far, even though those involve sex as compared to Sonic's simple kiss.  Maybe has to do with ME 2 being M rated and Sonic being E rated, but I'm wondering if acceptance is building and we'll start to see this more in future games?

I think it has more to do with the general acceptance that Star Trek has developed for the concept of human-alien relationships in fiction.