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[77boy84]

Collider wrote...

77boy84 wrote...
Oh no, someone with a different opinion than me!!

Hahaha, what?
I was just pointing out that it's silly to say "Oh, she can't be admiral because she loves shepard so much" when not everyone romanced her.

But, uh, keep thinking I meant whatever you thought I meant, I guess. I wont stop you.

[Collider]

I realize and edited my post. I was being overdramatic.

[Garlador]

I'd prefer to keep Tali by my side for every mission I can... just like I did throughout ME1 and ME2. It would be... disconcerting... not to have her finish the fight with me in ME3. Same for Garrus.

[Maj.Pain007]

Agreed. I just hope she doesn't jipped on dialogue like NPC's on our ship where they have 4 dialogue options and get no new options.

[adam_grif]

Since Tali could be exiled as an outcome, even if Tali is an Admiral some of the time, she won't play an important role in the story (in the same way the Council Lives vs Council Dies makes no impact on ME2's story). If she was exiled, then she will just be replaced with some other random admiral and the plot will be the same either way.

Modifié par adam_grif, 13 février 2010 - 07:25 .

[grayfox4000]

scyphozoa wrote...



I love Tali to bits. She is one of my favorite characters. But judging on the story of ME2 and the fact that she got such a big role in ME2 makes me think she will not have a squadmate role in ME3. She, like Wrex, will be taking on political duties in the Migrant Fleet. She will be able to be visited, and you can probably push the Peace/War with Geth storyline forward with her.



I think Admiral Tali has a great ring to it 8)

That totally depends on the ending you give her. Your in control of that. If you exile her and romance her. She will stay with you. She says to you in a way. "Tali: My place is on the Normandy. With you!" If you show evidence, she will not stay with shepard after the mission if she lives. If you save her from exile but not romance her she may leave to be come a admiral. If you have saved her from exile and romanced her she may leave to be a admiral but also you'll beable to continue the romance.



This is totally upto the player. If you think the dev are going to make it that limited your wrong because the ending has so many possible outcomes as well as all the choices you make through the came effect everything how ME3 will be like. Having a fixed fate for everybody you should have learned by now is not how bioware does things. They have multiple possible outcomes and it will ultimatly be your choice to let her go or not. You will also beable to recruit everybody back after you have fixed their issues like in a loyalty mission of some kind.



ME3 will be a sandbox more then ever they have said in a artical. ME3 can go into crazy directions the other 2 games didn't since its the end game. And bioware wants the power of your fate in your hands by the choices you made in the 2nd game and the 1st. ME3 happens just as ME2 ends as long as Shepard survives your game continues where you left off. If everybody but you dies you'll recruit generic characters. If you have everybody live, they all go to fight the reapers. All the recruiting you did in ME2 is done. You might beable to replace people with wrex and the others from ME1. But its final, for the game to have a big impact on player choices they said this is how it will be one way or another.



Having real choices in the players hands is what Mass effect is all about. Making everybody NPC's is not what they want. Where do people get this crap from, do they just make it up because of how it was in ME2 with some ME1 players? Bioware doesn't want the characters you love not as squad mates. They want you to fight with people you know and love. Not with another new crew. This is why they said if you played the 1st 2 games ME3 will be most rewarding because you'll have access to all those characters you know and love. If you only play ME3 well if you never met them they are not going to be apart of your team and you'll have to find a new crew of generic people or get them all over again.



Thats what I heard it will be like. Besides tali said she does not want to be in command of anything, she wants to be with you. Why her name has been changed to Normandy. Shes here to stay from how she talks. But you don't have to let her go.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

I tend to agree with the above poster to a point.

Some of the decisions you make could effect the outcome. One thing many of you are forgetting though is that Tali is loyal to her people first... Shepard second. Regardless of the outcome of her loyalty mission, she will always look out for the interests of the Quarrians. She even says as much.

That's not to say that she wouldn't stick around with Shepard. Ultimately though, it really depends on how events take shape which is something none of us really have any control over.

Wrex is a bit different in that regard in that Shepard actually throughout the course of the first game changes his mind and convinces him to do what he's currently doing provided you don't let him die. Tali's at that point already when you first meet her.


I love Tali to pieces.  She's my best friend on the Normandy.  But by the same token I have no illusions that fate has a bigger hand to deal her than just being my sidekick.

Modifié par ShadowWolf_Kell, 13 février 2010 - 08:36 .

[screwoffreg]

Well if she is loyal to her people then the greater goal above any other is to defeat the Reapers. Being Admiral of a fleet, frankly, is not going to do it. The Reapers cannot be defeated through a show of force, as even a single sentient ship could probably annihilate a huge section of the Quarian fleet (not to mention if the Reapers have bioweapons!).

With all that said, I think the point has been made she is a pretty bad leader. I think she will end up returning to the Quarian people, with or without Shepard depending on if you are her love interest and perhaps, at that point, in a leadership position. As far as the War will go in the last game, her place is finding a way to stop Harbringer. She has displayed no knowledge of fleet tactics or space battles, hell she can't even get a few soldiers to listen to her. She HAS displayed knowledge of dark matter and engineering, which I think will be critical in devising a way to stop the Reapers.

If anything, i see a dramatic ending when your entire squad splits up in the final battle, each filling different roles as small squads (almost like Dragon Age).  Ultimately, I see Shepard facing the end alone with everyone else supporting him from afar and watching his ultimate decision...and ultimate fate.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 13 février 2010 - 11:41 .

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Too many are assuming she lacks leadership capabilities, rather than look at her lack of authority to enforce her orders.  Which was the case on Freedom's Progress.

She definitely didn't have that problem later on.  Kal'Reeger was more than willing to die for her.

I guess the question there is, can she make the hard choices that goes with being a leader.  She'd definitely have little problems with politics.  She'd definitely have no problems with technical expertise either.  Admirals of the flotilla aren't chosen solely for their military prowess either according to Tali in ME1.

As for the flotilla and the Reapers...  we already know that the flotilla is the largest fleet in the galaxy next to the Reapers.  If they incorporate fleets massing to stall the Reapers while Shepard goes about trying to thwart them in some other way, you can sure as heck bet Tali would remain behind giving Shepard any chance possible to succeed if it was in her power to do so.  Without hesitation.

The 3rd act is going to get even darker before the light at the end of the tunnel becomes visible.  There'd literally be no point both to ME3 and the Reapers if it were otherwise.

Modifié par ShadowWolf_Kell, 13 février 2010 - 01:07 .

[screwoffreg]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

Too many are assuming she lacks leadership capabilities, rather than look at her lack of authority to enforce her orders.  Which was the case on Freedom's Progress.

She definitely didn't have that problem later on.  Kal'Reeger was more than willing to die for her.

I guess the question there is, can she make the hard choices that goes with being a leader.  She'd definitely have little problems with politics.  She'd definitely have no problems with technical expertise either.  Admirals of the flotilla aren't chosen solely for their military prowess either according to Tali in ME1.

As for the flotilla and the Reapers...  we already know that the flotilla is the largest fleet in the galaxy next to the Reapers.  If they incorporate fleets massing to stall the Reapers while Shepard goes about trying to thwart them in some other way, you can sure as heck bet Tali would remain behind giving Shepard any chance possible to succeed if it was in her power to do so.  Without hesitation.

The 3rd act is going to get even darker before the light at the end of the tunnel becomes visible.  There'd literally be no point both to ME3 and the Reapers if it were otherwise.

I actually agree with you in some ways.  Before the end of the game, I see most of the squad being broken up (like the Fellowship in another great series) and playing various roles in the end game.  At this point, Tali MAY go back to the Fleet to assist, but I see her being a squad member for some portion of ME 3.  Shepard must face his fate alone and, of course, with tremendous powers that we hopefully build up in him by the end of the game (and level 60!).

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

Everyone left the SR-1 for various reasons shortly after ME1. Tali's pilgrimage was complete, and for pretty much everyone else... you died. You held the whole group together, but you were killed and the ship was destroyed. Of course everyone scattered.



They can't pull something like that in ME3, especially considering how little of the game should be collecting squadmates because of how large the Reaper threat is. Why would Tali leave? I guess the author could find a reason if he really tried...



Anyway, as long as I can still talk to her a lot (more than you could Liara in ME2), I'd be okay with it. She'd be safer there than on the SR-2. And of course, as long as you can still pursue the relationship with her. This is the last ME game, so if they only allowed a few romances to continue, it'd suck.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Internet Kraken wrote...

The thought of her being an admiral seems wrong. Then again the other admirals aren't exactly the most brilliant individuals I've met, so I suppose she will fit right in.

Actually if it gets her off my ship I'm all for it.

Easiest way to get her off the ship?

Put her in the vents, then put someone not loyal or not right for the job leading the fire team.

BOOM! headshot. Dead quarian is dead. Doesn't matter if she was loyal or not herself.

theres an even easier way.

not recruiting her.

[BARRAGE 74]

poisonoustea wrote...

Maybe at the end of ME3. I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Compare that to Shepard for example, who can talk his way into letting a Geth attend a Quarian hearing on the Flotilla.

Shepard is space Chuck Norris, we all knew that

lol