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[_Dannok1234]

Thought I would repost this here, since this is pretty much the best Vanguard tips and tricks/advice thread around and might be of interest to someone.

(I originally posted it in http://social.biowar...22210/1#1224393)



Tested at Geth heretic station, first hub you encounter. Allies placed in the first room.

Fortification goes away once shields are depleted, however the bonus from Heavy Charge remains (but only lasts 4 seconds+15% duration bonus).

On insanity with shields+heavy charge 600. Dead in 3.9 seconds.

On insanity with Heavy Fortification+shields+heavy charge 850. Dead in 3.9-4,5 seconds.(Tried multiple times, sometimes I would die inside of 3.9 seconds, which is the cool down of charge and sometimes right after the cool down was over)



Which would seem to indicate that 10 points in any of the shields buys you roughly 0.6(at best) seconds longer to live while taking enemy fire. (in this case specifically 1 Geth Hunter, 2 Geth Troopers) Which in some cases will be enough to save your life if you are a Vanguard. But it's not very consistent and not something anyone should rely on.



Best use of the shield skills seems to be taking 1 single point in order to have the ability to refresh your shields every 12 seconds in case fecal matter hits the fan..

[tehWillis]

This is quite possibly the most awesome thread on the internet. Srsly.

[amrose2]

Dannok1234 wrote...

Thought I would repost this here, since this is pretty much the best Vanguard tips and tricks/advice thread around and might be of interest to someone.
(I originally posted it in http://social.biowar...22210/1#1224393)

Tested at Geth heretic station, first hub you encounter. Allies placed in the first room.
Fortification goes away once shields are depleted, however the bonus from Heavy Charge remains (but only lasts 4 seconds+15% duration bonus).
On insanity with shields+heavy charge 600. Dead in 3.9 seconds.
On insanity with Heavy Fortification+shields+heavy charge 850. Dead in 3.9-4,5 seconds.(Tried multiple times, sometimes I would die inside of 3.9 seconds, which is the cool down of charge and sometimes right after the cool down was over)

Which would seem to indicate that 10 points in any of the shields buys you roughly 0.6(at best) seconds longer to live while taking enemy fire. (in this case specifically 1 Geth Hunter, 2 Geth Troopers) Which in some cases will be enough to save your life if you are a Vanguard. But it's not very consistent and not something anyone should rely on.

Best use of the shield skills seems to be taking 1 single point in order to have the ability to refresh your shields every 12 seconds in case fecal matter hits the fan..

The problem is, at least for me, when I am in trouble and die it is due to 2 things:

I charged in a horrible area, or charge put me on the wrong side of where I wanted to go, and I am facing down the gun of 4 or 5 enemies

or

Charge wont work due to walls/platforms/enemey suddenly ducking behind cover and other misc. Charge bugs

In both cases using a cooldown on a shield isn't going to help you long enough to live, and in places where it would have helped, you could have just charged and refilled your shields anyway.

Theres only maybe a handful of encounters where a shield ability is helpful, and its places where you can't charge (enemies on balcony, dual heavy mechs, biotic sphere part on final mission or those damn floating platforms.. grr)

I dunno.. I just don't see much use for the bonus power as a Vanguard.

Modifié par amrose2, 15 février 2010 - 02:22 .

[Pedro Costa]

Tried starting an Infiltrator run yesterday since it was my favourite in Mass1 with Vanguard as close second, suffice to say,deleted the profile 8 hours into the game... too boring.



And I was one of the people once complaining about the Vanguard needing a re-balance early after the game's release, and now I can't even picture it any other way without having it feeling somewhat overpowered... except of course for the charge glitches already mentioned and seen in some vids.



Damn good job, BioWare, sincerely.

You made a class with a difficult learning curve but which really pays off once you master it, as it becomes the most fun and exciting of the lot.

[_Dannok1234]

Amrose2 when I say the best use of it is to take 1 point only as a shield refresh, thats indeed for the parts where you cannot charge.

I didn't say it was a good investment, but a possible use if you wanted to take the skill. It would function sort of like a poor man's version of Adrenaline Rush when you are forced to fight from cover rather then fight as you want to(or should in some cases). Which would be to charge around happily killing everything.



So basically just put it out there as info for someone who might not know how the shield abilities work, so they can stay clear of em.

[Pedro Costa]

Sorry for posting again so soon, but forgot to ask if anyone has the link to the colossus vid mentioned some pages earlier in this thread, would be greatly appreciated.

[amrose2]

Dannok1234 wrote...

Amrose2 when I say the best use of it is to take 1 point only as a shield refresh, thats indeed for the parts where you cannot charge.
I didn't say it was a good investment, but a possible use if you wanted to take the skill. It would function sort of like a poor man's version of Adrenaline Rush when you are forced to fight from cover rather then fight as you want to(or should in some cases). Which would be to charge around happily killing everything.

So basically just put it out there as info for someone who might not know how the shield abilities work, so they can stay clear of em.

Yeah you're right, its a decent option to have the shield with just 1 point around for those special parts. I'm always running around with just 1 point in my bonus power anyway. Might as well be with the shield.

I had the shield when I first started on Insanity, but I was getting into using it too often instead of a Charge so I switched to something else to force me to be more reckless hehe

[thisisme8]

I heard Reave was good... Ok sorry, sorry. It's still early, haven't had my coffee. Reave actually is good, but since every person from every class recommends it, I almost refuse to use it... Back after I get coffee to make some real posts.

[aeetos21]

contemplating whether or not if i should make a video guide for vg on insanity, be a pain in the ass but i got the time now and i do have a lot of the fights figured out - plus this guide has been very helpful with builds

[Divine Flame]

aeetos21 wrote...

contemplating whether or not if i should make a video guide for vg on insanity, be a pain in the ass but i got the time now and i do have a lot of the fights figured out - plus this guide has been very helpful with builds

I'm assuming you mean making a guide like Gatsby does for Adepts where he is voicing over his battle scenes of some of the harder missions?

If that were the case that would be really cool of you because I've been contemplating playing a Vanguard for my Insanity run and like the voice over explination videos as opposed to the just watch as i go shoot stuff and charge video.

[tirea_atreides]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Sorry for posting again so soon, but forgot to ask if anyone has the link to the colossus vid mentioned some pages earlier in this thread, would be greatly appreciated.

I've just uploaded my video of using charge on Colossus www.youtube.com/watch.
I was sure that I wouldn't stand a chance against the Colossus (gave myself like 10sec of life before being shot to pieces ). And actually, during my first attempt some charge-bug occured and I was just standing there, in front of the Colossus, unable to move - died a very painful death. But, I reloaded the game and killed it just like on the video - without any problems. So, reloaded once again to record it. Seriously, it's easier than the "traditional" way...
[BTW. big thanks to thisisme8 for video editing info]

Modifié par tirea_atreides, 15 février 2010 - 05:04 .

[thisisme8]

tirea_atreides wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Sorry for posting again so soon, but forgot to ask if anyone has the link to the colossus vid mentioned some pages earlier in this thread, would be greatly appreciated.

I've just uploaded my video of using charge on Colossus www.youtube.com/watch.
I was sure that I wouldn't stand a chance against the Colossus (gave myself like 10sec of life before being shot to pieces ). And actually, during my first attempt some charge-bug occured and I was just standing there, in front of the Colossus, unable to move - died a very painful death. But, I reloaded the game and killed it just like on the video - without any problems. So, reloaded once again to record it. Seriously, it's easier than the "traditional" way...
[BTW. big thanks to thisisme8 for video editing info]

That vid is so full of win...  posted on OP.

Edit:  Timed at 49 seconds to kill the Colossus with the Scim and Hand Cannon.  

Modifié par thisisme8, 15 février 2010 - 05:21 .

[Darnalak]

tirea_atreides wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Sorry for posting again so soon, but forgot to ask if anyone has the link to the colossus vid mentioned some pages earlier in this thread, would be greatly appreciated.

I've just uploaded my video of using charge on Colossus www.youtube.com/watch.
I was sure that I wouldn't stand a chance against the Colossus (gave myself like 10sec of life before being shot to pieces ). And actually, during my first attempt some charge-bug occured and I was just standing there, in front of the Colossus, unable to move - died a very painful death. But, I reloaded the game and killed it just like on the video - without any problems. So, reloaded once again to record it. Seriously, it's easier than the "traditional" way...
[BTW. big thanks to thisisme8 for video editing info]

Oh damn, there it is.  Bookmarking it this time so I don't lose it.

[Caughill]

tirea_atreides wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

Sorry for posting again so soon, but forgot to ask if anyone has the link to the colossus vid mentioned some pages earlier in this thread, would be greatly appreciated.

I've just uploaded my video of using charge on Colossus www.youtube.com/watch.
I was sure that I wouldn't stand a chance against the Colossus (gave myself like 10sec of life before being shot to pieces ). And actually, during my first attempt some charge-bug occured and I was just standing there, in front of the Colossus, unable to move - died a very painful death. But, I reloaded the game and killed it just like on the video - without any problems. So, reloaded once again to record it. Seriously, it's easier than the "traditional" way...
[BTW. big thanks to thisisme8 for video editing info]

Very nice. What weapon were you using?

[sinosleep]

[quote]Darnalak wrote...

I've just uploaded my video of using charge on Colossus www.youtube.com/watch.
I was sure that I wouldn't stand a chance against the Colossus (gave myself like 10sec of life before being shot to pieces ). And actually, during my first attempt some charge-bug occured and I was just standing there, in front of the Colossus, unable to move - died a very painful death. But, I reloaded the game and killed it just like on the video - without any problems. So, reloaded once again to record it. Seriously, it's easier than the "traditional" way...
[BTW. big thanks to thisisme8 for video editing info][/quote]

Oh damn, there it is.  Bookmarking it this time so I don't lose it.

[/quote]

How long did it take for your video to process? I've been uploading 420p videos and today I uploaded my first 720p vid. It's been processing for like an hour now and not even the 420p version is up yet.

p.s. He's using the scimitar. 

Modifié par sinosleep, 15 février 2010 - 05:41 .

[thisisme8]

sinosleep wrote...

How long did it take for your video to process? I've been uploading 720p videos and today I uploaded my first 720p vid. It's been processing for like an hour now and not even the 420p version is up yet.

p.s. He's using the scimitar. 

Believe it depends on size.  Mine was roughly 380M and took about 1 - 1 1/2 hours to process.

[tirea_atreides]

thisisme8 wrote...
That vid is so full of win...  posted on OP.

Edit:  Timed at 49 seconds to kill the Colossus with the Scim and Hand Cannon.  

txh, I'm so proud

Caughill wrote...
Very nice. What weapon were you using?

Scimitar and Hand Cannon

sinosleep wrote...
How long did it take for your video to process? I've been uploading
720p videos and today I uploaded my first 720p vid. It's been
processing for like an hour now and not even the 420p version is up yet.

p.s. He's using the scimitar.

The file was small, only 85MB. After uploading it took only like 10min to process.
And 'SHE'S using the scimitar'... I don't like it when ppl just assume I'm a guy .



[EDIT]

sinosleep wrote...

tirea_atreides wrote...
The file was small, only 85MB. After uploading it took only like 10min to process.
And 'SHE'S using the scimitar'... I don't like it when ppl just assume I'm a guy [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie].

Considering
that of all my 12k youtube views 100% of those tracked by insight were
views by males, can you really blame me? I kid, I kid. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

Well, all right, all right. You are forgiven [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie].

Modifié par tirea_atreides, 15 février 2010 - 06:11 .

[sinosleep]

tirea_atreides wrote...
The file was small, only 85MB. After uploading it took only like 10min to process.
And 'SHE'S using the scimitar'... I don't like it when ppl just assume I'm a guy .

Considering that of all my 12k youtube views 100% of those tracked by insight were views by males, can you really blame me? I kid, I kid. 

[thisisme8]

ruh roh...

[ShoNuffarian]

With everyone else posting vids, I wanted to get in on the action. I know I'm late to the party, but I made one of the derelict Collector ship platform section. I was using the Claymore and the fast reload trick. It was far from a flawless run, though.

Looking forward to trying this on that Colossus.

Modifié par ShoNuffarian, 15 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[thisisme8]

ShoNuffarian wrote...

With everyone else posting vids, I wanted to get in on the action. I know I'm late to the party, but I made one of the derelict Collector ship platform section. I was using the Claymore and the fast reload trick. It was far from a flawless run, though.

Looking forward to trying this on that Colossus.

That's good.  Reload trick works like a charm.  Surprised you were able to manage it in the thick of things so well.

[Divine Flame]

I have a question. How long did it take you thisisme to get down the pattern of when to charge and what to do when charging. Like the begining levels like Freedoms Progress. Were you charging around then? I guess I'm just curious as to how difficult it is in the beginning cause i wanna do a Vanguard for my Insanity playthru. I'm almost done with my Infiltrator on Hardcore.

[thisisme8]

Divine Flame wrote...

I have a question. How long did it take you thisisme to get down the pattern of when to charge and what to do when charging. Like the begining levels like Freedoms Progress. Were you charging around then? I guess I'm just curious as to how difficult it is in the beginning cause i wanna do a Vanguard for my Insanity playthru. I'm almost done with my Infiltrator on Hardcore.

That's a really good question.

The first thing you have to get over is the initial awe of Charging.  At first it feels like "Holy Crap I just Charged and I'm surrounded now what do I do?  Shoot shoot shoot crap I have to reload and I'm dead!"  Charging is better used as a method of closing the gap between you and your soon to be victim.  The real question is, which victim puts me in the best position to effectively assault the group in general, and once there where will I be able to find decent cover if I need it?  There is some thought that goes into it each time, but the more you do it, the more you internalize it, and the less you have to actually think about it as it becomes natural.

I actually don't start to full-on Charge until my first real mission - which is Mordin's for me, followed by Jack's.  Freedom's Progress has an awkward setup and only one or two areas really let you try it out.  I don't recommend Charging the YMIR Mech either.  I won't lie to you though, the toughest part of any Vanguard's journey is usually the very beginning followed by the Collector Ship.  In between those two and definitely after is all exciting and appropriate for your level.

My last recommendation is to get Mordin ASAP to open up the research terminal, followed by shotgun upgrades.  Store bought upgrades don't require researching so get those before anything.  Next you want that Biotic Cooldown upgrade as it shortens cooldown and lengthens lifespan (due to being able to Charge sooner).  Your Charge is going to keep you alive and your shotgun is your best tool to defeating enemies.  So I would do Mordin's mission, then Jack's instead of going straight to Archangel's since there is no sense in fighting with 1/5 Shotty damage when you can do it at 2/5 shotty damage +50% shield damage (unlocks with 2/5 shotty damage).

The learning curve is steep, but you can do it, and it's totally fun.


Edit:  Never answered, "How long."
It was tough at first, then got a little easier.  Thought I had it down through the second recruitment draft (Samara, Thane, Tali) until I got to the Collector Ship and discovered I didn't have it down as well as I thought.  Truth is, I'm still learning, but after the initial hump it gets much easier.  The less you focus on how intense Charging is and the more you can keep your focus on surroundings the better.

Modifié par thisisme8, 15 février 2010 - 07:43 .

[Divine Flame]

^Thank you very much for the advice. It's sad really. As much fun as I'm having on completing my Infiltrator playthru and making heads explode I really only want to complete it to start a Vanguard lol.

[ShoNuffarian]

thisisme8 wrote...

That's good.  Reload trick works like a charm.  Surprised you were able to manage it in the thick of things so well.

It's pretty easy to manage in a firefight for me, just need to listen for the sound. Been trying the Colossus and can manage to get it down to half armor, but then I get destroyed by geth. It looks like I won't need to switch to a pistol with the Claymore though. Awesome and inspiring vid, Tirea.