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Vanguard tips and tricks on Hardcore/Insanity - Revised Edition 1.2


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harleyflames20000

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thanks thouhg, spose i'll use his placement tips


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I was going to suggest that video too for the general strategy. Replace the magic with the Evi though. That's what I did! I'd say Miranda and Mordin in your case for warp and incinerate to burn through the armor. I wish I had a save around there, but I really didn't make enough... next time!



Do the dodging in and out thing, but don't be afraid to charge and put some slugs into them at point blank range. If there's a rocket coming at you, you can charge right through it without taking any damage. Just make sure that you do it near cover so that you can get behind it before they melt you. The good part about this mission is that only one mech will attack you at a time. Average Gatsby's video is great for overall strategy. Definitely give it a watch!

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yeah....ive had all 3 firing at me at once most times...i charge the first one a few times, and just get crapped on


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I basically did what Gatsby does in the video (before I saw it). Stick the squad at that same piece of cover, blast away until it gets close, then start the careful dodging and charging. The other two should just ignore you unless you hit them. If I remember right, I picked away the shield with SMG fire, then switched to the Evi once he was at armor. Then blast away with squad powers and Evi to the face while dancing around the cover. As mentioned in the video, speed is key. You really just have to be crazy aggressive. Also, don't "use" the cover, just stand behind it. Saves you precious time.

Edit: I also remember that I waited for a while till I did that one. More upgrades, Claymore reload trick and made sure I had a full compliment of grenades. Made pretty quick work of them. It's starting to come back now... I think I'm going to look into this making video stuff.

Modifié par Nexolek, 19 février 2010 - 09:31 .


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After finishing my soldier game I went back to my vanguard's disabled collector ship save just so I could play the rest of the game with the viper and I have to say it's pretty fantastic. Makes taking out scions and mechs much easier. Still waiting on some nice dlc before I start my female, claymore trick using, vanguard. Is there a release date for any of the upcoming dlc?

Modifié par RamsenC, 19 février 2010 - 09:30 .


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sigh, nomatter what i try, i just get my ass handed to me, ive tried sitting back and letting them kill the mechs off, ive tried different characters, ive tried rushing, but every time, i end up with 2 or more mechs after me and its too much for my squad to take, once they die, its a slow death for me too

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harleyflames20000 wrote...

sigh, nomatter what i try, i just get my ass handed to me, ive tried sitting back and letting them kill the mechs off, ive tried different characters, ive tried rushing, but every time, i end up with 2 or more mechs after me and its too much for my squad to take, once they die, its a slow death for me too


Let me see if I can find a save file with that mission available. What level are you?

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and for some reason, the first bit of cover is rubbish...a rocket hits that, and knocks me out of it and back....i dont get why

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im a level 30.....

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harleyflames20000 wrote...

sigh, nomatter what i try, i just get my ass handed to me, ive tried sitting back and letting them kill the mechs off, ive tried different characters, ive tried rushing, but every time, i end up with 2 or more mechs after me and its too much for my squad to take, once they die, its a slow death for me too


I had the same issue first time I tried it. Easiest and perhaps the most effective thing is this. Wait until you get the cain heavy weapon. Being able to take one out of the picture immeditatly helps. Having group members like tali, legion or mirrianda help as well.

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i can kill one of them now...but thats it i get halfway through the second one, and then the third one decides, oh, im not busy blowing crates up, i think i'll pick on this poor human

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Awesome, awesome thread. Thanks to all for your tips and videos. :)

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got mordin using cryo blast, which works well, but the 2nd mech reaches me too quick, i cant kill the first one quick enough with the weapons ive got

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ive given up for now...need the cain i think, gunna recruit jack and then see about getting the cain and some other tasty up grades first, i need some heavy wep. ammo, then id give it a go with the black hole gun...but i have non :/


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harleyflames20000 wrote...

and for some reason, the first bit of cover is rubbish...a rocket hits that, and knocks me out of it and back....i dont get why


Don't know how much one of my vids would help you then, I don't play NG+. 

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harleyflames20000 wrote...

ive given up for now...need the cain i think, gunna recruit jack and then see about getting the cain and some other tasty up grades first, i need some heavy wep. ammo, then id give it a go with the black hole gun...but i have non :/


Don't the mechs usually attack one by one on that mission? Is this something that changes on NG+ or do they just kill all the crates to come party with you? Also don't charge a mech unless you can get into cover immediately. 

Bring Zaeed with squad disrupter ammo if you haven't tried that. 

Modifié par RamsenC, 19 février 2010 - 10:07 .


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on NG+ leave this for one of the last things you do, YMIRs are ridiculously powerful on NG+, and vanguards have no real native counter to them.

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im even finding the second mech on jacks recruitment abit hard...by the time ive killed everything else, im left with sod all ammo


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RamsenC wrote...

harleyflames20000 wrote...

ive given up for now...need the cain i think, gunna recruit jack and then see about getting the cain and some other tasty up grades first, i need some heavy wep. ammo, then id give it a go with the black hole gun...but i have non :/


Don't the mechs usually attack one by one on that mission? Is this something that changes on NG+ or do they just kill all the crates to come party with you? Also don't charge a mech unless you can get into cover immediately. 

Bring Zaeed with squad disrupter ammo if you haven't tried that. 


As soon as you drop the shields of one mech, the second one turns and starts shooting you.  If you drop the shields of the 2nd the third mech targets you.  You can hear the mech signal "primary defenses offline, requesting reenforcement" or something like that as soon as it's shields drop.  You can solo one mech with charge, back peddle shotgun, turn and run, loose your shields, charge and repeat.  But the second mech kills that strat.  Also once they are red bar; charge, shotgun, melee, shotgun drops and kills YMIR's for free.

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@ Devine Flame, I figured out why the videos weren't working. Switched from aac audio to mp3 audio and that threw something off because as soon as I switched back to aac the vids went back to their proper time instead of getting doubled upon upload.  I took down the other one so the old link won't work any more,  here's the new one.

Modifié par sinosleep, 19 février 2010 - 11:17 .


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Ok thanks again for the vid sinosleep you rock.

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sinosleep wrote...

@ Devine Flame, I figured out why the videos weren't working. Switched from aac audio to mp3 audio and that threw something off because as soon as I switched back to aac the vids went back to their proper time instead of getting doubled upon upload.  I took down the other one so the old link won't work any more,  here's the new one.

I did that part in liteally 15 seconds on my last run. Used 1 shot of the blackstorm dlc weapon and charged in and hit the button while the mobs where still disoriented from the shot ^^. I though i was gonna die but the moment the door shuts you get a cut scene.

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just got jack on board, and a few upgrades to my armour etc. might give it another go in a short while, just to see if theres any difference, spose i could draw one mech over, get its shields off, then pound it with a shotty/charge combo, whilst mordin cryo's it with miranda's warp...might stand HALF a chance then :/

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I wasn't playing in NG+ and I basically used cain (reached only first two YMIR) to strip down shield. For armor I recall I had Miranda use warp while I used Heavy Pistol with Inferno Ammo, which stripped away the armor very fast. Once the health is down to red I had Garrus use concussive shot while I charge in and claymore to the face. I end up suffering some dmg to my shields due to YMIRs exploding but it was a fast way to get rid of the first two YMIR. The annoying part is that the last one didn't engage me until I shot it once so it was happily destroying the five crates I lost. I settled for 15 crates in the end but hoped for more since I used cain.



BTW, if you are using any ammo power, do it early before the crate number shows up on the bottom of the screen.

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I beat the game on insanity with Vangaurd last night. It was excellent but I dropped AP ammo. I didn't really notice a difference I ended up going back to barrier as my bonus. You can turn it on well before an encounter and then go charge crazy. It gives you that extra shield when you need it most, right in the first charge where there is a maximum number of enemies to shoot at you.