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[_Dannok1234]

Sabre just curious about something. Did you skip Thane's loyalty mission and sacrifice Samara's passive talents in order for Thane not to override Cryo and Samra to get Area Pull?

Ps I don't think anyone is against "tactical gameplay" I thought this entire thread was sort of dedicated to vanguard tactics and so on.

Edit: Really, then I better watch your tutorial video again then. Holy crap, he has it but doesn't override, I wish they did that for me grr

Modifié par Dannok1234, 12 mars 2010 - 09:04 .

[Sabresandiego]

Dannok1234 wrote...

Sabre just curious about something. Did you skip Thane's loyalty mission and sacrifice Samara's passive talents in order for Thane not to override Cryo and Samra to get Area Pull?

Ps I don't think anyone is against "tactical gameplay" I thought this entire thread was sort of dedicated to vanguard tactics and so on.

I have Pull Field, Area Reave, and 3 in Asari Justicar for Samara. I did not skip Thanes loyalty, Im using Miranda not Thane.

[_Dannok1234]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Ramsen, warp explosions are one of the "features" of this game and are the premiere biotic combo. They are not some glitch like forcefielding a tank in dragons age (which was fixed) they are designed by the developers to be used abundantly. Saying you are down on something because its effective only would make sense if it was broken/buggy. And Ive stated before that many things in this game are extremely powerful besides reave and warp explosions. Adrenaline Rush can be spammed every 3 seconds and basically wins you the game. Using slow motion widow head shots as an infiltrator is also the biggest I win in the entire game. Just cloak if you are ever in danger.

But whats the problem of achieving the same goal, just a tad slower using  something which makes the class truly unique if thats what a person prefers? Trust me, if you'd go for close up shooting and melee, you would not be much slower then you are in your speed run videos, done right you'd be very nearly as safe as well. My guess is probably 20-30 seconds slower tops. (Then again could be even less) 

[Kronner]

Well, I still fail to see what the problem is? Some use Warp explosions, some don't. Some use Claymore/Evi/Scimitar, some don't. The most important thing is fun, as long as we enjoy the game everything's fine. This thread proved a long time ago that Vanguard is perfectly viable on Insanity.

I refuse to use Reave because I feel it is TOO powerful and I do not enjoy it, no fun for me. So I'll rather take Slam and have some fun. But I would never say using Reave is wrong in any way, shape or form, I just don't enjoy it, 's all. :happy:

Modifié par Kronner, 12 mars 2010 - 09:07 .

[thisisme8]

Sabresandiego wrote...

My video encompasses everything I wrote in my Tactical Vanguard guide. Nobody is paying attention to how I set up those warp explosions (mainly with charge and scimitar), how I avoid taking any damage completely (using cover and tactical charges), how I use alternate methods of engaging targets which are bad to charge (harbinger with sniper, reave on clustered enemies), etc...

I have to be honest, I didn't pay too much attention to it at first, but after seeing your Pull vid and then going back, I definitely took notice.  I think the Pull build has a slight advantage though solely based on cooldown time.  Two Squaddies with Unstable Warp means you can continually have it up.  The downside of being the "Puller" though is the 3 points in Shockwave that you probably will never use instead of the easy 10 points you can put into Reave/Shield Drain.

[thisisme8]

Kronner wrote...

Well, I still fail to see what the problem is? Some use Warp explosions, some don't. Some use Claymore/Evi/Scimitar, some don't. The most important thing is fun, as long as we enjoy the game everything's fine. This thread proved a long time ago that Vanguard is perfectly viable on Insanity.

I refuse to use Reave because I feel it is TOO powerful and I do not enjoy it, no fun for me. So I'll rather take Slam and have some fun. But I would never say using Reave is wrong in any way, shape or form, I just don't enjoy it, 's all. :happy:

Slam is such a badass looking power, it seems to fit well on a Vanguard from an RP perspective.  Have yet to take it on my Cherry Bomb, but Miranda has used it plenty and it's kind of cool.

[Sabresandiego]

Dannok1234 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Ramsen, warp explosions are one of the "features" of this game and are the premiere biotic combo. They are not some glitch like forcefielding a tank in dragons age (which was fixed) they are designed by the developers to be used abundantly. Saying you are down on something because its effective only would make sense if it was broken/buggy. And Ive stated before that many things in this game are extremely powerful besides reave and warp explosions. Adrenaline Rush can be spammed every 3 seconds and basically wins you the game. Using slow motion widow head shots as an infiltrator is also the biggest I win in the entire game. Just cloak if you are ever in danger.

But whats the problem of achieving the same goal, just a tad slower using  something which makes the class truly unique if thats what a person prefers? Trust me, if you'd go for close up shooting and melee, you would not be much slower then you are in your speed run videos, done right you'd be very nearly as safe as well. My guess is probably 20-30 seconds slower tops. (Then again could be even less) 

I've always said that people should play however they want. It's me thats getting all the criticism for playing how I want. I am the one of the first vanguards to stray away from the pure charge strategy, and I have gotten nothing but flak for it. Look, if I want to run around using pistols and shockwave in my vanguard videos and never charging at all, I have every right to play that way. I dont care how anyone else plays, my goal was to prove that my way of playing a vanguard is one of the best and I feel that I have done that with my videos. But now I get criticized for the way I play instead of the end result.

[RamsenC]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Ramsen, warp explosions are one of the "features" of this game and are the premiere biotic combo. They are not some glitch like forcefielding a tank in dragons age (which was fixed) they are designed by the developers to be used abundantly. Saying you are down on something because its effective only would make sense if it was broken/buggy. And Ive stated before that many things in this game are extremely powerful besides reave and warp explosions. Adrenaline Rush can be spammed every 3 seconds and basically wins you the game. Using slow motion widow head shots as an infiltrator is also the biggest I win in the entire game. Just cloak if you are ever in danger.

You are right in that it's not as bad as force field tanking, but it's not just the power of the warp explosion, it's the fact that it's such a dominant strategy on every class. At least AR is only for soldier, despite how powerful it is. This ruins the uniqueness of the classes for me, but I have no bad feelings for someone else using warp explosions considering I promote them half the time.

I'd rather explore other interesting possibilities. Games become less fun to me when theres nothing left to learn. Hell the only thing about the Katsumi dlc that interests me is seeing how the new loyalty power shakes things up, if at all. 

[Kronner]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I've always said that people should play however they want. It's me thats getting all the criticism for playing how I want. I am the one of the first vanguards to stray away from the pure charge strategy, and I have gotten nothing but flak for it. Look, if I want to run around using pistols and shockwave in my vanguard videos and never charging at all, I have every right to play that way. I dont care how anyone else plays, my goal was to prove that my way of playing a vanguard is one of the best and I feel that I have done that with my videos. But now I get criticized for the way I play instead of the end result.

I ask again, who in this very thread ever said that your playstyle is not OK? You came here today and out of the blue started saying "people say my Vanguard sucks". But as far as I know no one ever said so..
I'd really love to know the answer..

[RamsenC]

Sabresandiego wrote...

I've always said that people should play however they want. It's me thats getting all the criticism for playing how I want. I am the one of the first vanguards to stray away from the pure charge strategy, and I have gotten nothing but flak for it. 

Couple of things, what makes you think you were the first Vanguard to use warp explosions. Just because I didn't make a video of it doesn't mean I didn't do it. My Vanguard vs. Collector ship video was made to show how good the Evi can be. I didn't even use squad powers, because that wasn't the point of the video. Hell I'm even using AP ammo in that video, which isn't the way to go.

The only reason you got criticism is because you implied the reave vanguard was the best and that generally invites criticism.  I still disagree that the reave vanguard is the best for the reasons I've mentioned before. No reave vanguard is going to blaze through a blue suns mission as fast as a pull or energy drain vanguard. 

[RamsenC]

Kronner wrote...

I ask again, who in this very thread ever said that your playstyle is not OK? You came here today and out of the blue started saying "people say my Vanguard sucks". But as far as I know no one ever said so..
I'd really love to know the answer..

I said the reave spam vanguard sucks essentially, but he doesn't even play a reave spam vanguard, so it doesn't matter really. This was pages ago though. 

Modifié par RamsenC, 12 mars 2010 - 09:23 .

[thisisme8]

Let's just try and not get out of hand here guys.

Edit:  Please?

Modifié par thisisme8, 12 mars 2010 - 09:21 .

[_Dannok1234]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Dannok1234 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Ramsen, warp explosions are one of the "features" of this game and are the premiere biotic combo. They are not some glitch like forcefielding a tank in dragons age (which was fixed) they are designed by the developers to be used abundantly. Saying you are down on something because its effective only would make sense if it was broken/buggy. And Ive stated before that many things in this game are extremely powerful besides reave and warp explosions. Adrenaline Rush can be spammed every 3 seconds and basically wins you the game. Using slow motion widow head shots as an infiltrator is also the biggest I win in the entire game. Just cloak if you are ever in danger.

But whats the problem of achieving the same goal, just a tad slower using  something which makes the class truly unique if thats what a person prefers? Trust me, if you'd go for close up shooting and melee, you would not be much slower then you are in your speed run videos, done right you'd be very nearly as safe as well. My guess is probably 20-30 seconds slower tops. (Then again could be even less) 

I've always said that people should play however they want. It's me thats getting all the criticism for playing how I want. I am the one of the first vanguards to stray away from the pure charge strategy, and I have gotten nothing but flak for it. Look, if I want to run around using pistols and shockwave in my vanguard videos and never charging at all, I have every right to play that way. I dont care how anyone else plays, my goal was to prove that my way of playing a vanguard is one of the best and I feel that I have done that with my videos. But now I get criticized for the way I play instead of the end result.

This is  good example. You seem to once again assume, that nobody else thought to play a vanguard using reave and charging safer areas. That is completely wrong, thats what you are getting some flak for, but not as much as you seem to think you are getting. You are really defensive, and nearly obsessive about how you have discovered the best/most effective way to use a vanguard. Take a step back relax, it's been done here in this very thread.

Now a few posts again you suddenly out of nowhere, claimed someone was attacking your style of play. I didn't see the post that was doing it, would have been helpful if you had quoted it, then it might have made more sense.

Once again, your speed runs, they are about your skill, not the build. You the guy behind the screen. If you'd looked back here, we've been saying for ages, anyone can do whatever they want with a vanguard, thats part of what makes the class so damn great. Doesn't matter what shotgun, doesn't matter what the hell you pick as long you as you have Heavy Charge and Champion your good to go, trust me. We've all tried reave and warp combo's before you came to show us how to do it.

[_Dannok1234]

thisisme8 wrote...

Let's just try and not get out of hand here guys.

Edit:  Please?

What happend to your beard man? I think I see it shrinking. But you are right tho, this a pointless waste of time for all our sakes, anyone can believe whatever they want, as long as it doesn't cause harm to others

[RamsenC]

Men with beards don't say please, everyone just listens to them

[_Dannok1234]

RamsenC wrote...

Men with beards don't say please, everyone just listens to them

Ha! You must be delusional, they aren't listening, they are staring at all the bits of food stuck in your beard and wondering why anyone would have a bird nest on their face.

[RamsenC]

Sadly I don't actually have a beard. I just live my beard fantasies through my forum icon.

[thisisme8]

My beard is so manly that it was the one that actually typed the edit... and this post.

[Nexolek]

Does that mean that I secretly want to be a robot? 

[Sabresandiego]

Dannok1234 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Dannok1234 wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Ramsen, warp explosions are one of the "features" of this game and are the premiere biotic combo. They are not some glitch like forcefielding a tank in dragons age (which was fixed) they are designed by the developers to be used abundantly. Saying you are down on something because its effective only would make sense if it was broken/buggy. And Ive stated before that many things in this game are extremely powerful besides reave and warp explosions. Adrenaline Rush can be spammed every 3 seconds and basically wins you the game. Using slow motion widow head shots as an infiltrator is also the biggest I win in the entire game. Just cloak if you are ever in danger.

But whats the problem of achieving the same goal, just a tad slower using  something which makes the class truly unique if thats what a person prefers? Trust me, if you'd go for close up shooting and melee, you would not be much slower then you are in your speed run videos, done right you'd be very nearly as safe as well. My guess is probably 20-30 seconds slower tops. (Then again could be even less) 

I've always said that people should play however they want. It's me thats getting all the criticism for playing how I want. I am the one of the first vanguards to stray away from the pure charge strategy, and I have gotten nothing but flak for it. Look, if I want to run around using pistols and shockwave in my vanguard videos and never charging at all, I have every right to play that way. I dont care how anyone else plays, my goal was to prove that my way of playing a vanguard is one of the best and I feel that I have done that with my videos. But now I get criticized for the way I play instead of the end result.

This is  good example. You seem to once again assume, that nobody else thought to play a vanguard using reave and charging safer areas. That is completely wrong, thats what you are getting some flak for, but not as much as you seem to think you are getting. You are really defensive, and nearly obsessive about how you have discovered the best/most effective way to use a vanguard. Take a step back relax, it's been done here in this very thread.

Now a few posts again you suddenly out of nowhere, claimed someone was attacking your style of play. I didn't see the post that was doing it, would have been helpful if you had quoted it, then it might have made more sense.

Once again, your speed runs, they are about your skill, not the build. You the guy behind the screen. If you'd looked back here, we've been saying for ages, anyone can do whatever they want with a vanguard, thats part of what makes the class so damn great. Doesn't matter what shotgun, doesn't matter what the hell you pick as long you as you have Heavy Charge and Champion your good to go, trust me. We've all tried reave and warp combo's before you came to show us how to do it.

If you look at the comments on my new speed run and its rating, you can clearly see that it coincides with the comments of some posters in this thread. I basically play how I want, show that it works, and get criticism for it.

[RamsenC]

Nexolek wrote...

Does that mean that I secretly want to be a robot? 

Yes...and Dannok wants to be a white guy I guess. 

[RamsenC]

Hey Saber, I just rated that vid 5 stars, haven't even seen it until now. Theres nothing wrong with using warp explosions dammit



I just want to do something different since I've grown tired of using them.

[Sabresandiego]

Thanks Ramsen. I don't care how my videos are rated, I was just using the low video rating and poor misguided comments as a reflection of some vocal peoples ill will towards my playstyle.

[Kronner]

RamsenC wrote...

Hey Saber, I just rated that vid 5 stars, haven't even seen it until now. Theres nothing wrong with using warp explosions dammit

I just want to do something different since I've grown tired of using them.

Same here, I saw the vid like  hour ago, gave it 5 stars, I think Sabre's style is very effective and he deserves credit for making it so fast.
And I, too, wanna do something different than common well-known combos, nothing wrong with that. As far as I know all I ever said about Reave and Warp explosions is that I do not enjoy either on my Vanguard, never said they were the wrong way to go though.

[Iz Stoik zI]

Why do you care what other people think so much, Sabre? You are a very skilled and clearly experienced player, so play the game however you like. What works for you might not work or be right for someone else, that's just the way it works.



I like your videos, but I dont like Reave. That doesn't mean I think your strategy sucks