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[mozez101]

sinosleep wrote...

mozez101 wrote...

In sinosleeps vanguard videos it seems that the scimtar assault shotgun he uses in the collector ship level stun locks the enemies. For instance after he charged the harbringer, the harbringer didn't even attack while he kept shooting at it. If that is the case wouldn't the scimtar be the best shotgun to use?

I got lucky on that one, Harbingers don't usually get stunned like that, though the scimitar can and does stun lesser foes. I rarely melee when I have the scimitar equipped unless I know the combo of one shot and one melee will kill something outright. Otherwise it shoots so fast I just unload until it's reload time and then melee. I haven't found big bads like harbingers to be suceptable to melee stuns any way.

So which one do you recommend using? Scimtar or Evi?

[sinosleep]

Haven't test the evi at all so I don't know. I downloaded it when I got home from work yesterday morning, but then slept most of the day away and then started an adept playthrough. When I get home maybe I'll do some testing with it on the collector ship if I can access it on my old save.

[RamsenC]

I know you aren't asking me, but I suggest the Evi. If you throw two melees after each shot and dance around an enemy you can take on almost anything one on one. The higher accuracy means more pellets will hit, plus it kills armor.



I linked a video earlier demonstrating this against a Geth Prime and here it is again.

[ChaoticBroth]

I'll agree with Ramsen on this one. The Evi let me wade into a squad of Eclipse mercs during Samara's mission and just take them on. The Scimitar? Not so much. I didn't get nearly as great an experience when I took on a squad of mercs late on that same mission.

[rumination888]

Besides the fact that certain enemies are immune to the shotgun and melee stun, stunlocking leaves you out in the open. Doesn't matter much if there aren't a whole lot of enemies in the room, but you risk death if you don't kill fast enough.

[sinosleep]

Yeah but how does it handle groups? I mean, that's what drew me away from the claymore when I used to like the claymore more than the scimitar. When I played on hardcore I could survive long enough exposed to charge groups of 3 with the claymore and be alright, I found out on the collector ship however that on insanity I was far better off with the scimitar in groups than with the claymore. I flat out could not even come close to doing what I did in my collector ship vid with the claymore. That's why I want to test out Evi on the collector ship.

[ChaoticBroth]

It works fine against groups of three. I don't know if a group of 3 Eclipse mercs count, but I managed to charge and just shotgun/melee them to death. It's tricky, but that's all there really is to it.



Now, I'm about a couple of missions away from doing the Collector Ship, so would you guys recommend getting the Claymore, or going for the Assault Rifle spec?

[RamsenC]

The Evi is great for up to three enemies. One shot and one melee should kill any chump enemy and you may not even need the melee. If you aim fast enough you can do this to three enemies near each other. I actually did this on the collector ship and it worked fine.

If you use only two rounds to kill something with the Scimitar that will give you just one more kill, but you are pushing your luck at that point. If theres five enemies you are done for.

Modifié par RamsenC, 11 février 2010 - 05:04 .

[rumination888]

Near the beginning of this vid you can see the Scimitar taking on a Geth Prime:

www.youtube.com/watch

[RamsenC]

One thing I will say about the Scimitar is its safer. You can make mistakes you wouldn't be able to make with the Evi.

[tehWillis]

I haven't seen confirmation on this either way so I figure I'd ask the pros. Doe sthe Evi benefit from any of your research upgrades? I've seen some say it does and some say it doesn't.

[matt654321]

tehWillis wrote...

I haven't seen confirmation on this either way so I figure I'd ask the pros. Doe sthe Evi benefit from any of your research upgrades? I've seen some say it does and some say it doesn't.

Are you talking about normal shotgun upgrades? If so, why wouldn't it? It's a shotgun.

Earlier in the thread someone talks about seeing a noticeable improvement in the Eviscerator after getting shotgun shield piercing. That should be enough confirmation.

[tehWillis]

Well I'm reading multiple threads from various sites. Here, NeoGAF and others. And was receiving conflicting reports. So I though I'd ask. Because as you pointed out, it woundn't make sense if they didn't I'd just rather be sure before I got much more attached to my Evi.

[matt654321]

tehWillis wrote...

Well I'm reading multiple threads from various sites. Here, NeoGAF and others. And was receiving conflicting reports. So I though I'd ask. Because as you pointed out, it woundn't make sense if they didn't I'd just rather be sure before I got much more attached to my Evi.

If you need any more proof, I can tell you right now that the ammo upgrade works. 15 shots without it, 27 with it.

[mozez101]

rumination888 wrote...

Near the beginning of this vid you can see the Scimitar taking on a Geth Prime:

www.youtube.com/watch

Wow! That was pretty impressive. So it seems that with the Scimtar its,
charge-shotgun-melee shotgun to kill regular enemies. While other people
like ramsen says that with the Evi its just charge-shotgun-melee, and
sometimes it can also one shot enemies. However on Kronner's video he shows that even against collector drones, Evi with inferno still requires the shotgun-melee-shotgun tactic. Or do collector drones just take less damage with shotguns?

[sinosleep]

mozez101 wrote...

Wow! That was pretty impressive. So it seems that with the Scimtar its,
charge-shotgun-melee shotgun to kill regular enemies. While other people
like ramsen says that with the Evi its just charge-shotgun-melee, and
sometimes it can also one shot enemies. However on Kronner's video he shows that even against collector drones, Evi with inferno still requires the shotgun-melee-shotgun tactic. Or do collector drones just take less damage with shotguns?

The fact that we're all playing at different levels is part of the problem. I think I was level 16 when I made the collector ship video where I usually two shot drones with the scimitar.

[tehWillis]

matt654321 wrote...

tehWillis wrote...

Well I'm reading multiple threads from various sites. Here, NeoGAF and others. And was receiving conflicting reports. So I though I'd ask. Because as you pointed out, it woundn't make sense if they didn't I'd just rather be sure before I got much more attached to my Evi.

If you need any more proof, I can tell you right now that the ammo upgrade works. 15 shots without it, 27 with it.

Awesome, put my worries at ease ya did. Thanks, good ser.

Modifié par tehWillis, 11 février 2010 - 05:49 .

[rumination888]

mozez101 wrote...

Wow! That was pretty impressive. So it seems that with the Scimtar its,
charge-shotgun-melee shotgun to kill regular enemies. While other people
like ramsen says that with the Evi its just charge-shotgun-melee, and
sometimes it can also one shot enemies. However on Kronner's video he shows that even against collector drones, Evi with inferno still requires the shotgun-melee-shotgun tactic. Or do collector drones just take less damage with shotguns?

I believe the Eviscerator does less damage against shields. We will find out the exact damage multiplier against different protections tomorrow afternoon from the devs.

The number it takes to down enemies should remain constant as long as you pick up weapon upgrades as soon as theyre made available. I was at 3/5 when I took that vid. Level 15, relying on Grunt's squad incendiary ammo.

[thisisme8]

tehWillis wrote...

matt654321 wrote...

tehWillis wrote...

Well I'm reading multiple threads from various sites. Here, NeoGAF and others. And was receiving conflicting reports. So I though I'd ask. Because as you pointed out, it woundn't make sense if they didn't I'd just rather be sure before I got much more attached to my Evi.

If you need any more proof, I can tell you right now that the ammo upgrade works. 15 shots without it, 27 with it.

Awesome, put my worries at ease ya did. Thanks, good ser.

Not concrete proof, but I saw a big difference from 1/5 Evi to 2/5 +50% shields Evi.

[matt654321]

thisisme8 wrote...

Not concrete proof, but I saw a big difference from 1/5 Evi to 2/5 +50% shields Evi.

Beat you to it, lol.

matt654321 wrote...

Earlier in the thread someone talks
about seeing a noticeable improvement in the Eviscerator after getting
shotgun shield piercing. That should be enough confirmation.

[thisisme8]

sinosleep wrote...

Haven't test the evi at all so I don't know. I downloaded it when I got home from work yesterday morning, but then slept most of the day away and then started an adept playthrough. When I get home maybe I'll do some testing with it on the collector ship if I can access it on my old save.

Have you seen Average Gatsby's "Adepting through Insanity?"  It's worth a look.

http://social.biowar...8/index/1096424

[thisisme8]

matt654321 wrote...

thisisme8 wrote...

Not concrete proof, but I saw a big difference from 1/5 Evi to 2/5 +50% shields Evi.

Beat you to it, lol.

matt654321 wrote...

Earlier in the thread someone talks
about seeing a noticeable improvement in the Eviscerator after getting
shotgun shield piercing. That should be enough confirmation.

I know, I should totally read all the new posts before posting.  I'm a terrible forumite.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/unsure.png[/smilie]

Modifié par thisisme8, 11 février 2010 - 06:39 .

[RamsenC]

I just tested the Katana and Evi on an enemy vanguard with a strong barrier and the Katana did slightly more damage to the barrier. I have no idea how many pellets actually hit, but it seems like the Katana has more damage against shields than the Evi. I'm thinking the Evi gets the 50% damage boost to shields, but its base damage to shields just isn't as good.

[thisisme8]

RamsenC wrote...

I just tested the Katana and Evi on an enemy vanguard with a strong barrier and the Katana did slightly more damage to the barrier. I have no idea how many pellets actually hit, but it seems like the Katana has more damage against shields than the Evi. I'm thinking the Evi gets the 50% damage boost to shields, but its base damage to shields just isn't as good.

I think you're right.  We'll know for sure tomorrow, but I ran through Jack's recruitment mission and found the Katana fared better than Evi since that's where I pick up the 2/5 damage which unlocks the +50% shields penetration.  Aside from that one mission, the Katana kind of feels obsolete... especially since Freedom's progress and Mordin's recruitment mission are vs. all armored enemies with only a few exceptions.

[Malanthor]

Whats happening tomorrow?



So after reading all this i assume that dropping getting claymore in favour of another weapon, ar or sniper is the way to go?