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[ranzarok]

JKoopman wrote...

Rix Raw wrote...

It's called sexual frustration. Men who are not satisfied with their love life (or do not have one) enjoy controlling a female character in games, engaging in heterosexual romance, feeling that they can only do that if they have complete control over the woman participant.

There are countless excuses, for instance that they don't want to look at their male characters during the game, not realising that with that they just prove that they are looking at the game differently, pursuing sexual experiences in it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not judging, none of us are flawless and this isn't such a big deal for a teenager. However, if you're no longer a teenage boy or you're in a relationship, maybe even married and still prefer playing female characters, then you should probably stop and look at this warning sign and think about what's wrong.

On the other hand, playing with a randomly thought up "tough guy" or "pretty boy" can be almost as bad - again, not for a teenager, obviously -, because it means you're not at peace with your looks or who you are.

You can shove your psuedo-psychology where the sun don't shine.

So... what? If a man plays a female character then he can't experience a romance (in other words, he can't experience all of the game content) without being labeled "sexually frustrated"? And what about people like me who play both males and females?

Seriously, people need to stop trying to project their own views and insecurities onto other people. I've been playing RPGs for about 15 years and I enjoy role-playing characters of both genders. And almost since Day 1 there have been people who "just don't understand" that. No, I'm not gay. No, I'm not bisexual. No, I'm not "sexually frustrated and projecting my unfulfiled desires onto my character" or any other bullsh-t. I just enjoy role-playing.

Amen.  It's always funny to see/hear what the reaction is going to be when someone tries there undergraduate psych work on a group of gamers.
There is no hidden, dark secret...if I play a female toon, it's because it's a game and I WANT to.

[Yantze]

Everyone can choose how they want to play the game so I dont have a problem with it. As a male player though if I can customize the character then I try my best to make it look like me, so ive never played a female character and never will. Like I said though there isnt anything wrong with guys that do. I think you should just worry about youself.

[IccaRa]

Frankly I think a man playing as a FShep who romances one of the searing-hot space hunks in ME2 (mmmh, Thane) is doing a great and chivalrous thing. THAT'S how you treat a woman right. Give her kick-ass armor, save the galaxy and then treat her to some sweet, sexy space love with a BAMF assassin. Or ex-cop. Or whoever.



Just sayin'.



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[TaliZorah]

God, I should try this too. Starting stupid threads with questions that came spontaneously into my mind while reading some threads on this board.



The first would definetly be:



"Men starting stupid/homophobe/offensive threads just because of their sexual insecurity - WHY?!"

[Shifty Vickars]

Like alot of people have said in the thread, I just like having a woman say what I want to hear. The same reason everyone playing a Femshep has a hot Shep. I know I do. So you place yourself in the shoes of ________ (Garrus in my case because he's a bad ass.)









Does he even need shoes? I wonder if he has hooves. Not that I think about it I wonder what Tali's legs look like. They're a little different.

[Optional]

manicman1171 wrote...

are you a killer? why are you killing in a video game? For entertainment?

I lol'd, this ended the thread. 

[Endurance_117]

TaliZorah wrote...

God, I should try this too. Starting stupid threads with questions that came spontaneously into my mind while reading some threads on this board.

The first would definetly be:

"Men starting stupid/homophobe/offensive threads just because of their sexual insecurity - WHY?!"

So many things wrong with this post

[Willie_on_Wheels]

I do so because it is my DESIRE.

[glen55]

Interesting thread IMO.



I'm straight and usually play femsheps. At first I did it for the Lara Croft factor, i.e., I could make a hot femshep and would rather have that running around on my screen shooting things than some dude. But then I got into Jennifer Hale's superior voice-acting, so I only play a male for a specific reason such as the ability to examine the inside of Miranda's drawers.



In ME1 I was all about f/f encounters, but apparently there are no satisfactory options in ME2. I haven't done an ME2 romance yet, and I will probably pick Thane based on what I read on the forum - might've leaned Jacob otherwise. But I have already done a couple of dudes in DA:O with my hot warden chick.



Frankly, it is slightly uncomfortable to me to romance the dudes. Maybe it's partially because I'm from another era (I'm 54) and back when I was growing up in Alabama way way long time ago, you just didn't talk about stuff like that.



I don't believe such a thing, but the ingrained attitudes don't chase away easily. It's cool to see my younger, hipper straight male Southern friends joking about being gay and about other men being good-looking in a way that would never have been done even 20 years ago, much less when I was going up. That's something I embrace. It's actually useful living in this world to have an eye for which men are likely to gain the notice of straight women and gay men, and I really like the idea of thinking of, e.g., something Garrus did as being "cute."



So playing ME2 is just one of the ways I gently steer myself into the 21st century.



p.s. Glad to see some others have already taken care of the "psychology expert."



p.p.s. I think Liara would be my favorite romance option even if gender issues weren't a factor. She's a people person and extremely passionate, plus she's very comfortable with mocking herself, which is a huge plus that I strongly advise folks to look for in a RL relationship. That's the best kind of person to hook up with. Throw in cosmic, mind-bending magical sex plus the ability to have a female's child, and it ain't close.

[eternalnightmare13]

pdmeww44 wrote...

i read a lot of posts on this forum about ppl romancing garrus or jacob or w/e, and i'm wondering how many of those ppl are guys? it just seems kind of .. gay.. if youre a man and you play a female character so you could sweet talk another man into bed. 

so does this forum just have a disproportional amt of females compared to other gaming forums or ... what? whats going on..

You must be incredibly insecure in your own sexuality.

[Tom Adama]

I played ME1 as the dude first, it was ok. I then tried to custom create a male shepard, all of them were AWFUL, so I abandoned it. Then I tried out a custom femshep, I poured my ideal female qualities into the model and she turned out spectacular. Jennifer Hale's acting sealed the deal. ME1's story was so much more believable with a female protagonist rather than the prototypical male super-hero type.



And since I am not a "advocate" of same sex relationships, I had my femshep romance Kaiden (not Liara) but not sleep with him (cuz my Shepard was mission and honor first).



ME2 my femshep stayed loyal to Kaiden because, again, my version of a heroine is loyalty and faithfulness. I played the role of Shepard as I wanted her to be, I even gave her flaws in-game so she appeared more human.



I role played, which is the point of Mass effect.

[BundyTheRipper]

It is only that way if you are sad enough to see yourself as the character,  I see myself as guiding a narrative, and female shepard hooks up with the character I think most appropriate or like the best. I don't have to live my romances vicariously.

[NewZealand]

Well i play through as a Renegade Male and in my second playthrough i go Paragon Female.
Men playing as a female doesnt mean they are gay, being a female just changes parts of the game.

[aauxraydar]

Well, I play a femshep because not doing so at least once or twice misses out on too much content. And I think Hale is a much better voice then the guy. I think romancing the Femshep only love interests is the only way to find out some more about them, but honestly I only brother because the Garrus one was really funny.

[Shvabic]

if you're straight and certain about it, you have nothing to worry about anything.



you can look at other mens bodies, even complimenting them without any "bad feelings" of guilt or other crap like that. and there's no point in being homophobic.

even watching gay porn or the likes will not affect you because it just does not. you have no desire for something of the likes.



if you think that way, you would even have to feel gay in a gym.



playing a role playing game is exactly what it implies. it gives you the opportunity to work as a director, especially in a cinemtac game like this. you do not have to identify yourself with that character, because it's obviously another, and you're acting or directing.



if it would be the way the op implies, movie directors directing a lead acctress having a straight romance or sex scene would all have to be gay.

that has to be really narrow minded.

[TaliZorah]

glen55 wrote...

Frankly, it is slightly uncomfortable to me to romance the dudes. Maybe it's partially because I'm from another era (I'm 54) and back when I was growing up in Alabama way way long time ago, you just didn't talk about stuff like that.

I don't believe such a thing, but the ingrained attitudes don't chase away easily. It's cool to see my younger, hipper straight male Southern friends joking about being gay and about other men being good-looking in a way that would never have been done even 20 years ago, much less when I was going up. That's something I embrace. It's actually useful living in this world to have an eye for which men are likely to gain the notice of straight women and gay men, and I really like the idea of thinking of, e.g., something Garrus did as being "cute."

So much truth in your post.

I guess this is something many people today, especially men, don't appreciate enough. I just don't get why some people try so hard to seem "100% manly" all the way, because that's non-sense. Same goes for women - YES, we swear, think of sex and enjoy videogames just like men do. But like those "Oh noes I can't show any kind of weakness!" guys they try to hide it. The only difference is that if you're a women, no one bothers if you say something like "Wow, Megan Fox is really hot.". Because people already accepted that women, both hetero and ******, don't see anything wrong in making compliment to the same sex. I'm not as old as you glen55 (geez, you're even three decades older than me), but I'm glad to hear that things are changing, even if it takes some time.

Modifié par TaliZorah, 08 février 2010 - 09:36 .

[tzeraph1]

Nothing wrong in wanting to experience as much as you can from the game. To suggest that all that play women and romance men is pretty tame (omg I made a rhyme, and the rhyme is pretty lame ).

Modifié par tzeraph1, 08 février 2010 - 09:39 .

[tzeraph1]

Double post...

Modifié par tzeraph1, 08 février 2010 - 09:40 .

[Loerwyn]

pdmeww44 wrote...

i read a lot of posts on this forum about ppl romancing garrus or jacob or w/e, and i'm wondering how many of those ppl are guys? it just seems kind of .. gay.. if youre a man and you play a female character so you could sweet talk another man into bed. 

so does this forum just have a disproportional amt of females compared to other gaming forums or ... what? whats going on..

It's not gay.
It's called role-playing. Mass Effect is a role-playing series, and as such I let the character of Shepard make the choices through me.

[pdmeww44]

Shvabic wrote...

if you're straight and certain about it, you have nothing to worry about anything.

you can look at other mens bodies, even complimenting them without any "bad feelings" of guilt or other crap like that. and there's no point in being homophobic.
even watching gay porn or the likes will not affect you because it just does not. you have no desire for something of the likes.

if you think that way, you would even have to feel gay in a gym.

playing a role playing game is exactly what it implies. it gives you the opportunity to work as a director, especially in a cinemtac game like this. you do not have to identify yourself with that character, because it's obviously another, and you're acting or directing.

if it would be the way the op implies, movie directors directing a lead acctress having a straight romance or sex scene would all have to be gay.
that has to be really narrow minded.

ok I've been reading this thread and most ppl have some nice points, but your post is a bit ridiculous..



youre saying that a straight guy could watch gay porn and not be gay? why would a straight guy be looking at other guys in the first place, especially other guys sucking each other off??? 

i mean i understand now that some ppl can detach themselves from characters in this game and thats how they are ok with playing a female character, but watching gay porn?! im sorry, but if you watch gay porn intentionally as a "straight" male then you are definitely at least somewhat attracted to other men..

[Nautica773]

pdmeww44 wrote...
ok I've been reading this thread and most ppl have some nice points, but your post is a bit ridiculous..



youre saying that a straight guy could watch gay porn and not be gay? why would a straight guy be looking at other guys in the first place, especially other guys sucking each other off??? 

i mean i understand now that some ppl can detach themselves from characters in this game and thats how they are ok with playing a female character, but watching gay porn?! im sorry, but if you watch gay porn intentionally as a "straight" male then you are definitely at least somewhat attracted to other men..

I wasn't aware there was porn in this game. I'm impressed BioWare, I'd never think you'd sneak it past the ESRB.

[Shvabic]

pdmeww44 wrote...

Shvabic wrote...

if you're straight and certain about it, you have nothing to worry about anything.

you can look at other mens bodies, even complimenting them without any "bad feelings" of guilt or other crap like that. and there's no point in being homophobic.
even watching gay porn or the likes will not affect you because it just does not. you have no desire for something of the likes.

if you think that way, you would even have to feel gay in a gym.

playing a role playing game is exactly what it implies. it gives you the opportunity to work as a director, especially in a cinemtac game like this. you do not have to identify yourself with that character, because it's obviously another, and you're acting or directing.

if it would be the way the op implies, movie directors directing a lead acctress having a straight romance or sex scene would all have to be gay.
that has to be really narrow minded.

ok I've been reading this thread and most ppl have some nice points, but your post is a bit ridiculous..



youre saying that a straight guy could watch gay porn and not be gay? why would a straight guy be looking at other guys in the first place, especially other guys sucking each other off??? 

i mean i understand now that some ppl can detach themselves from characters in this game and thats how they are ok with playing a female character, but watching gay porn?! im sorry, but if you watch gay porn intentionally as a "straight" male then you are definitely at least somewhat attracted to other men..

but that's the thing. if you are not gay you have no desire to watch it. and even if you did, it would not make you gay or "turn" you or whatever. for example, just out of curiosity.

and you can actually find other men attractive without wanting to have sex with them. that's the point.

Modifié par Shvabic, 08 février 2010 - 11:08 .

[Endurance_117]

lol people think RPG's are all about choice

[ReDSH1FT]

DadeLeviathan wrote...

... Wow. The amount of ignorance in this thread is astounding.

I've seen a statement exactly like this posted in any thread that mentions homos.

You are unoriginal, and put no thought behind that statement.