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[1490]

Ok, I guess I can't figure out how to quote anything without leaving the entire series of comments in, lol

[BigKahuna25]

tanarri23 wrote...

Killing Sovereign might have something to do with it, but I think one of the biggest reasons why humans and not, say, asari, is that humans are readily available - they have a habit of founding relatively small, easy to raid colonies in remote and lawless places, so you can harvest them without serious consequences. While most colonies of asari and other "older" species have by now grown into the likes of Illium, and the best Collectors could get away with would be hitting remote research outposts with nowhere nearly enough people for their purpose.

thats what I thought (mentioned it a little back but not articulated as well as you) and add to it that the greater galactic community doesn't really seem to care the colonies are disappearing make humans a prime target, their anger/obsession with shepard would be for screwing up soverign's plans and trapping them out there and its just coincidence he's also human.

[RampantBeaver]

1490 wrote...

RampantBeaver wrote...

If the collectors actually attacked earth they would be able to make a lot more than one reaper! Even if they had abducted 100,000 people from the colonies. There's billions of humans on earth, do the math!

The amount of raw material present in a human isn't very much though.  Think about what's left of a person when they're cremated: that's all the solid material we possess, the rest of us water.  Even if they rehydrated the remains for organic material, you wouldn't get a full yield from one human body, probably not even 50%.  A cubic kilometer is a like a small mountain, I think you'd need hundred of millions at least to make one reaper.  

This:

Deuterium_Dawn wrote...

They wouldn't need all 13 billion or so people on earth to complete one reaper, it seems likely they could make quite a few(Assuming roughly 5million people per reaper(random guess I saw elsewhere)that's 2600 reapers, plus a few more from the non-terminus alliance colonies). A galaxy spanning empire like the protheans or these squid people could produce many more reapers.

If it took 100 million thats still over 60 reapers (thats going by the human population today, in 2183 it could be twice that), not 1 like the OP suggested.

Modifié par RampantBeaver, 08 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[Daerog]

Well, for all we know, it could of ended up looking like those Necron things from Warhammer 40k. The ones that look human from waist up, but a roach from waist down.



Here's an idea. Maybe the original Reapers were built to be like monuments to species, like the first made themselves into Reapers, believing it to be like ascending into an immortal presense, and so it looks human because it is like a monument to humanity for them. It is an honor for humanity to be made into a Reaper, according to Harbinger.

[ZOMBO6F]

On the colony planet (new progress?)where Ashley/Kaiden is found I had an interesting experience.I dont know if this happened to any one else but after a sniper headshot to one of those humpbacked things (protheans im sure)the carapace came away revealing a smaller head inside.after reading this forum I have an idea.as stated the the human reaper grows and evolves,He is the core processor.But what if the Reapers use him to attack other worlds?woulnt its human appearence cause the other races to mistrust,on a conscios,or un conscios level,even more.possibly causing an interstellar war between humans and other races?just a thought

[tmp7704]

R0ck3t33r wrote...

I am wondering why the Derelict Reaper is identical to Sovereign.

(..)

Maybe we'll find out in ME3 that the human-Reaper was the first one to mimick the shape of their victims, and that all of the squid-Reapers are just subtle variations on a "traditional" Reaper shape. I hope. It would explain away most of these inconsistencies, except for Vigil's miscommunication. That one seems kind of unforgivable.

Thoughts?

Supposedly the whole "reapers look like the species they harvest" thing is a change which happened late in the development cycle of the game. The original goal of the Collectors was somewhat different, but probably deemed as too difficult to explain quickly when you get to face the terminator thing.

So the derelict Reaper is identical to Sovereign because originally that's what they all were supposed to look like.

[Poison_Berrie]

A wizard did it.

[Dethateer]

tmp7704 wrote...

R0ck3t33r wrote...

I am wondering why the Derelict Reaper is identical to Sovereign.

(..)

Maybe we'll find out in ME3 that the human-Reaper was the first one to mimick the shape of their victims, and that all of the squid-Reapers are just subtle variations on a "traditional" Reaper shape. I hope. It would explain away most of these inconsistencies, except for Vigil's miscommunication. That one seems kind of unforgivable.

Thoughts?

Supposedly the whole "reapers look like the species they harvest" thing is a change which happened late in the development cycle of the game. The original goal of the Collectors was somewhat different, but probably deemed as too difficult to explain quickly when you get to face the terminator thing.

So the derelict Reaper is identical to Sovereign because originally that's what they all were supposed to look like.

According to the arbook and one of the original human Reaper designs, that could very well be true.

[Ulicus]

I. Am. A. Human. Dalek!



Oh, wait, wrong thread.

Merging Humans with the Big Bads is usually a pretty silly idea, but.... Well, I don't know what it was about beating the crap out of a giant robot that made me feel like a badass, maybe it was the beating the crap out of a giant robot part, but as "dumb" as I wanted to think it all was... I couldn't help but find it ridiculously awesome.

[R0ck3t33r]

ryder500 wrote...

Please don't talk to me like you're my superior ok R0ck3t33r.

Really? That's what I was doing?

Why bother playing a story-centric videogame if you can't be bothered to THINK about it? It was obvious that you had nothing to contribute to this conversation, so why waste your time and ours by replying to it?

[fusilero1]

Vigil only had second hand knowledge. He also said that there were a lot of indoctrinated Protheans.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

They do not look like the species there made of but created using their genetic code for the software, the hardware is still reaper. At the end you can see slight variations between the reapers but they are all the same basic form.

[Cork85]

scyphozoa wrote...

the human reaper was a mistake. not to sound pompous but all of ME lore is beautiful except for the HR.GIGER skeleton at the end of ME2. The whole story was perfect except it was shaped like a human, which seems like very watered down and corny lore. They could have just had a regular squid reaper and the story would be fine, but the human element greatly compromised the quality of the reaper lore.

just IMO, but the human thing never should have happened, because you're right, it doesn't make sense. all reapers are squids except for this human one in ME2, very cheezy imo, a regular reaper would've been better.

wait what human reaper cheesy, corny, watered down lore? but a squid reaper is a-okay. It is your opinion, i just think it is a weird opinion. I thought the Human reaper story was pretty cool.

[CanadAvenger]

Here is an interesting, random thought:



Since the 'larval' Reaper in the collector base was in human form, and many above me here were saying/agreeing with "well maybe they evolve into the squid-like Reapers we have come to know?"



That is totally valid, and I agree.



But, what if this 'human' reaper, and ALL others before it were not evolving, per se, but piloting the Reaper ships?



think of it as a jet fighter and a pilot. The massive squid shaped structures are just the "jet" for the species-based "pilots"

[Dethateer]

Congrats, Canad, you discovered the most widely accepted theory on the forums.

[Besetment]

It was better when the Reapers were an unknown quantity back in ME1 and whilst Sovereign/Nazara had form it was strongly implied in ME2 that it is multiple programs so to me the Reapers are shapeless. Sovereign's design must reflect its purpose which is that of a herald. It needs agents to carry out its will through indoctrination and so the machine itself is designed in a way that it can simultaneously use and be used by its agents. In this case it is a space faring warship of colossal size and immense power. The scuttlefish like shape I always thought was playing into the Chlulhu myth of a dark and ancient god which is itself described as having a squidlike face.



I think it is important that the Reapers have no consistent shape. That they are not perceived as one single thing but as a malevolent force whose form is a manifestation of its will. That to some extent can explain the T-800 Reaper though the practicality of it can still be called into question because well, its pretty silly eh?

[Kreid]

Dethateer wrote...

Congrats, Canad, you discovered the most widely accepted theory on the forums.

Which in turn makes no sense seeing we've been into the derelict reaper and saw nothing of the sort.

[Lord Valarius 66 X]

There is one thing that i dont understand. At the ending scene,before the Reaper fleet is shown, Shepard ( or Joker if Shep died),is lookin at a picture showing a Reaper thats a bit different from the rest. So maybe that was saved form the Collector base,and shows us the completed human Reaper. Or not? Didnt see theories about it here.

[Ileanos07]

Isnt possible, that every reaper has squid-form and only small part of him resemble captured species?

[Kreid]

Lord Valarius 66 X wrote...

There is one thing that i dont understand. At the ending scene,before the Reaper fleet is shown, Shepard ( or Joker if Shep died),is lookin at a picture showing a Reaper thats a bit different from the rest. So maybe that was saved form the Collector base,and shows us the completed human Reaper. Or not? Didnt see theories about it here.

That was data on Harbinger, that either was in the base/EDI downloaded/The Collector general sent you when harbinger stopped controlling him.

[CanadAvenger]

Creid-X wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Congrats, Canad, you discovered the most widely accepted theory on the forums.

Which in turn makes no sense seeing we've been into the derelict reaper and saw nothing of the sort.

Well, Reapers are huge, several kilometres in length. We were only in a portion of the derelict Reaper.

[Dethateer]

Creid-X wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Congrats, Canad, you discovered the most widely accepted theory on the forums.

Which in turn makes no sense seeing we've been into the derelict reaper and saw nothing of the sort.

You see the core itself. You're so close to it, that it could very well be part of a larger body and you would be unable to realize it. Or maybe this particular Reaper (Sovereign and/or the Derelict) type is the original one, these not having bodies shaped like the species they're made from.

[Kreid]

CanadAvenger wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Congrats, Canad, you discovered the most widely accepted theory on the forums.

Which in turn makes no sense seeing we've been into the derelict reaper and saw nothing of the sort.

Well, Reapers are huge, several kilometres in length. We were only in a portion of the derelict Reaper.

Maybe.
If it as you say though, it was certainly hidden because of the later revelation of Reapers being made from organic life but still so it seems a little off to me, besides we were into the Reaper's core isn't it supposed to be the central/most important part of the Reaper?
I might be wrong but seems to me that if there was to be a "pilot" it should have definitely been there. 

[CanadAvenger]

Dethateer wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

Congrats, Canad, you discovered the most widely accepted theory on the forums.

Which in turn makes no sense seeing we've been into the derelict reaper and saw nothing of the sort.

You see the core itself. You're so close to it, that it could very well be part of a larger body and you would be unable to realize it. Or maybe this particular Reaper (Sovereign and/or the Derelict) type is the original one, these not having bodies shaped like the species they're made from.

Also true. The derelict Reaper was very old, like millions of years. Anything could have happened to it before discovery by Cerberus.
Also, the human reaper had a "core" of sorts that you could shoot to destroy it faster.
EDIT: Who is to say that the 'fetuses' cannot grow in size? maybe the core we saw was the core of an actual species-based Reaper body, but "was so close we couldnt realize what we were really looking at"?

Modifié par CanadAvenger, 08 février 2010 - 05:14 .

[davidt0504]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

remember the human reaper was just a fetus maybe when it becomes fully grown it morphs into the squid shape

the human reaper was very small compared to the other reapers I'm sure you noticed.  I think its likely that what we saw was only a small part that was to be perhaps a central part or just integrated into a larger superstructure, that would probably look very cuttlefish like (which is what the reapers are based on not squid)