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[Dethateer]

Eh, yeah, probably. Pointless, anyway, since EDI lays it out in baby words for you, though.

[BattleVisor]

Dethateer wrote...

You rip on people for not knowing ME lore when you don't know RL biology? LOLWAT?

Where the hell did that come from?

you dont know anything about calculus? LOLWAT?

[GnusmasTHX]

It's not implied that at all. (That they needed Earth to complete Human-Reaper)

Horizon was like 600, 000 colonists, and "half the colony" was taken. The human reaper was made of "tens of thousands". It's plausible that EDI would have said hundreds of thousands, if that were the case. They could've probably finished with the 300, 000 if Shepard didn't interrupt.

Also Vigil is just Vigil. Programmed with the insights of the Protheans, who are pretty much just like us.

Why would you even begin to assume they'd know THAt much more?

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 08 février 2010 - 08:55 .

[Bryy_Miller]

Dethateer wrote...

Because the vision is trying to tell you the Protheans have been turned into Collectors. Don't ask how or why, 'cause that I has no idea.

More likely, the Reapers had the Collectors take out the Protheans. 

[Dethateer]

BattleVisor wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

You rip on people for not knowing ME lore when you don't know RL biology? LOLWAT?

Where the hell did that come from?

you dont know anything about calculus? LOLWAT?

Crabs don't look anything like insects.
[e]To clarify: the Collectors themselves are insectoid both in inspiration, behavior and appearance. The head looks like a four-eyed locust. The Artbook also states that they are modeled after electron microscope shots of insect heads.

Modifié par Dethateer, 08 février 2010 - 09:02 .

[Rilke21]

toezz wrote...

And all chinese people look the same.. Yellow things

All insects with wings are the same thing.. Flying things

If you had 6 arms, 10 legs and were shaped differently than everyone else, but you had a shell you`re automatically a tortoise.

Ah yes, a valid analogy. I understand now. Every 50 000 years, the reapers wipe out all advanced life. And it just so happens that every 50 000 years, all advanced life looks something like a squid. I salute you for being so perceptive. I should probably get help for my xenophobia.

[BattleVisor]

Dethateer wrote...

Crabs don't look anything like insects.
[e]To clarify: the Collectors themselves are insectoid both in inspiration, behavior and appearance. The head looks like a four-eyed locust. The Artbook also states that they are modeled after electron microscope shots of insect heads.

I was using a bloody simile....Jeez, trying to say their head look crab-like to me. They are not part of the animal kingdom of earth, so by definiteion they are not insects, so dont try turn it round

You were just being unnecessariry cynical in a jerkish way.

Modifié par BattleVisor, 08 février 2010 - 09:08 .

[Dethateer]

Who, me? Yeah, pretty much.

[toezz]

hahaha lmfao =D

[BattleVisor]

And also insects are related to crustaceans quite closely, they're all in the same order arthropoda

ave jointed legs and hard exoskeletons composed mainly of protein and chitin, a type of carbohydrate.

So yeh when I said collectors are crab-like, I do understand animal biology, so you go from a jerk, to a stupid a jerk.

Modifié par BattleVisor, 08 février 2010 - 09:18 .

[Dethateer]

Except crabs don't have wings and generally don't build gigantic hives to safeguard their larvae, nor do they live in colonies of thousands of drones and single leaders.
Of course crabs and insects are similar... so are insects and arachnids, doesn't make them the same thing. All species on this planet are similar to each other in one way or another.

Modifié par Dethateer, 08 février 2010 - 09:18 .

[BattleVisor]

Anyways going back to my original point, all the reapers and collectors all look like arthropods and molluscs. Which were the earliest forms of life on earth.

Modifié par BattleVisor, 08 février 2010 - 09:33 .

[Dethateer]

Reapers, yes, they do look an awful lot like cuttlefish, one of the first threads on the ME1 board was dedicated soley to mocking that and comparing them to Cthulhu and his ilk.

[Jeremy Winston]

I don't follow why everyone has issues with the larva-reaper looking like a human.

My instinctive take was that they were growing the new reaper from the organics. How it included metal and weapons and stuff, I have no idea.

But, it was growing, just like a human embryo. Consider the size of a real embryo compared to that of an adult. The adult might be 10's of times larger.

Perhaps that was too simplistic a thought? It upsets people in some way?

Anyhow... that was my thought. The DNA is the food-organics are what generate the final shape of the reaper, just like any other organic being. This one just has extra non-organic stuff, somehow.

Keep in mind the other 'special' beings the collectors were looking for.  Certain ones with oddball genetics.  They were looking for something to help create this thing.

Modifié par Jeremy Winston, 08 février 2010 - 09:44 .

[Rilke21]

Alien1099 wrote...

Oh my god do I have to open up photo shop and show the blatantly different designs on them? Open your eyes.

dude. Cosmetic differences? Yes. Generally squid-like? Definitely. But if you really feel the need to dazzle us with your photoshop skills, be my guest.

[gamergamergamer]

its a pretty simple explanation really, bioware got extremly lazy with their storytelling in me2 and ****ed up their own lore and backstory.

[Jeremy Winston]

The reapers look squid-like for a very simply reason. That look.. insects and stuff, are scary. If the shape of an teddy bear scared us, they'd all look roughly like that. It doesn't mean they can't be different teddy bear-like species.

[Dethateer]

Actually, Jeremy, it's because the Reapers are influenced by Cthulhu. Ancient, immortal, incomprehensible terrors from the depths of space. With squid heads.

[CanadAvenger]

Maybe their shape allows them to use/acces Mass Relays differently than normal, non-Reaper craft?



Like, since the Collectors were building a human-like Reaper on their base through the Omega 4 Relay, how would it get back to the other Reapers? The Omega 4 Relay is in the same system as Omega - which is a popular system to go to, i would imagine.

Therefore, I doubt that it would not be noticed trying to get to the Citadel, which is (as far as I know) the only way to get back to deep space.

Sooo maybe the Omega 4 reacts differently to not only the IFF, but the shape?

[Jeremy Winston]

Dethateer wrote...

Actually, Jeremy, it's because the
Reapers are influenced by Cthulhu. Ancient, immortal, incomprehensible
terrors from the depths of space. With squid heads.

Ok.. works for me.

But, in all honest, aren't the images of Cthulhu influenced by those icky, scary, insecty like things we hate stepping on in the shower?

Modifié par Jeremy Winston, 08 février 2010 - 10:01 .

[Daewan]

ME1 - Husks. Designed to collect organic material and use it to create synthetic mindless hybrids. In ME2, this is confirmed to be Reaper tech. Reapers have been collecting data and for a very long time. I don't consider this change (intelligent machine > organic-machine hybrid) to be so much a change to the lore as a correction of something that was obviously wrong in ME1. I always wondered what they were doing with all that material they were harvesting from the husks, and why there were so many of them.



Also, a human shaped Reaper would serve many purposes. Humans, especially in large groups, are insanely stupid. What would you do if a giant human shaped being appeared on your planet? Most humans - you know, the filthy unwashed masses - would worship it. Almost everyone would want to walk up and look at it, especially if it didn't attack right away. Wouldn't that be the perfect vessel to start mass indoctrination? Heck, they could just have their servants hide it on a planet for adventurous human explorers to find. "OMG ANCIENT ALIEN ARTIFACT WITH HUMAN DNA EVERYBODY COME LOOK!" Nobody would look at that and think "It's a Reaper!" except for Shepard, who wasn't supposed to make it to the Collector base (that'll teach the damn Harbinger to underestimate me!) and not enough people would believe Shepard anyway, not before a good dose of indoctrination sets in.

[CanadAvenger]

Daewan wrote...

ME1 - Husks. Designed to collect organic material and use it to create synthetic mindless hybrids. In ME2, this is confirmed to be Reaper tech. Reapers have been collecting data and for a very long time. I don't consider this change (intelligent machine > organic-machine hybrid) to be so much a change to the lore as a correction of something that was obviously wrong in ME1. I always wondered what they were doing with all that material they were harvesting from the husks, and why there were so many of them.

Also, a human shaped Reaper would serve many purposes. Humans, especially in large groups, are insanely stupid. What would you do if a giant human shaped being appeared on your planet? Most humans - you know, the filthy unwashed masses - would worship it. Almost everyone would want to walk up and look at it, especially if it didn't attack right away. Wouldn't that be the perfect vessel to start mass indoctrination? Heck, they could just have their servants hide it on a planet for adventurous human explorers to find. "OMG ANCIENT ALIEN ARTIFACT WITH HUMAN DNA EVERYBODY COME LOOK!" Nobody would look at that and think "It's a Reaper!" except for Shepard, who wasn't supposed to make it to the Collector base (that'll teach the damn Harbinger to underestimate me!) and not enough people would believe Shepard anyway, not before a good dose of indoctrination sets in.

For lack of better words at the moment: Well Said. Truly well said.

[Jeremy Winston]

Daewan wrote...
Also, a human shaped Reaper would serve many purposes. Humans, especially in large groups, are insanely stupid. What would you do if a giant human shaped being appeared on your planet? Most humans - you know, the filthy unwashed masses - would worship it. Almost everyone would want to walk up and look at it, especially if it didn't attack right away. Wouldn't that be the perfect vessel to start mass indoctrination? Heck, they could just have their servants hide it on a planet for adventurous human explorers to find. "OMG ANCIENT ALIEN ARTIFACT WITH HUMAN DNA EVERYBODY COME LOOK!" Nobody would look at that and think "It's a Reaper!" except for Shepard, who wasn't supposed to make it to the Collector base (that'll teach the damn Harbinger to underestimate me!) and not enough people would believe Shepard anyway, not before a good dose of indoctrination sets in.

I like that!  But why bother?  I mean, indoctination doesn't seem to require large items.

They could just as easily stick something in the jewels of all the Care Bears being sold in the world.

[CanadAvenger]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

They could just as easily stick something in the jewels of all the Care Bears being sold in the world.

Or slip subliminal messaging into every Lady GaGa song ever played...

[binaryemperor]

R0ck3t33r wrote...

Additionally, it's worth mentioning that EDI jumps to a pretty weird conclusion: she says that the Reapers failed to create a prothean-shaped Reaper. Why would she jump to that conclusion? At that point, we'd only seen two reapers: Sovereign and the Derelict Reaper.

If I remember right, EDI managed to "steal" Reaper knowledge from the Collector ship. She has more info on them.