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[Jeremy Winston]

CanadAvenger wrote...

Jeremy Winston wrote...

They could just as easily stick something in the jewels of all the Care Bears being sold in the world.

Or slip subliminal messaging into every Lady GaGa song ever played...

What a sec!  You don't think..... naaaaaaaa.....

[Phinub]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

CanadAvenger wrote...

Jeremy Winston wrote...

They could just as easily stick something in the jewels of all the Care Bears being sold in the world.

Or slip subliminal messaging into every Lady GaGa song ever played...

What a sec!  You don't think..... naaaaaaaa.....

It's doubtful the Reapers would do something that inefficient. I mean honestly, people with taste wouldn't become indoctrinated that way.

[Jeremy Winston]

Exactly! They'd stay under the radar. Then, there's be a core of indoctrinated, all a gaga for the Reapers! Do you think they have a sense of humor?

[Phinub]

If they achieve a core of indoctrinated through those means they're probably second guessing if we're even worth their time

[Alien1099]

Rilke21 wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...

Oh my god do I have to open up photo shop and show the blatantly different designs on them? Open your eyes.

dude. Cosmetic differences? Yes. Generally squid-like? Definitely. But if you really feel the need to dazzle us with your photoshop skills, be my guest.

Do all cars and trucks look exactly the same to you because they have similar shapes and all use 4 wheels? Do all pistols look the same to you ? 

[manyfistss]

Collectors seem to be based off of Termites, and Harbringer seems to be based off of a Crab as with the Collector General. As for the T-800 Reaper, it was a larvae so I assume it would just need a few more thousand to complete the larval state, then millions more to compete the next stage, and perhaps billion more to finally complete it. In between it I assume the general shape would slightly change, but we just saw an incomplete larval form.

[BattleVisor]

^all arthropods

[MMonkeyking]

The reapers probably take on the look of the host species

[Kenshen]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...


This makes the most sense, but why humans and not asari? Somehow our DNA is superior or something since they couldn't do it with the Protheans? Which is odd, hopefully explained in ME3.

Because human DNA is able to handle a wide range of tests and mutations where the others don't do so well.  I might have that backwards but it is explained in the game in many places but it isn't very clear.  The plauge on Omega is an example of the Collecters conducting tests to see how each speices would fair.  Vorcha and humans were the only ones to not get sick.  Overall human DNA makes for perfect reaper construction.

[WoodWizzard87]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

Daewan wrote...
Also, a human shaped Reaper would serve many purposes. Humans, especially in large groups, are insanely stupid. What would you do if a giant human shaped being appeared on your planet? Most humans - you know, the filthy unwashed masses - would worship it. Almost everyone would want to walk up and look at it, especially if it didn't attack right away. Wouldn't that be the perfect vessel to start mass indoctrination? Heck, they could just have their servants hide it on a planet for adventurous human explorers to find. "OMG ANCIENT ALIEN ARTIFACT WITH HUMAN DNA EVERYBODY COME LOOK!" Nobody would look at that and think "It's a Reaper!" except for Shepard, who wasn't supposed to make it to the Collector base (that'll teach the damn Harbinger to underestimate me!) and not enough people would believe Shepard anyway, not before a good dose of indoctrination sets in.

I like that!  But why bother?  I mean, indoctination doesn't seem to require large items.

They could just as easily stick something in the jewels of all the Care Bears being sold in the world.

The reapers indoctrinate by using teh sublimal messaging system of ultr high frequency pulses and distorting magnetic fields around people.  How that bends people to the will of the reaper, i really have no idea.  I think of it as a person being hopped up on a large dose of truth serum and drunk at the same time so you do stupid stuff.

[General Battuta]

Okay, I think we have a fair explanation, going off the Reapers from the final cutscene and the artbook.



Note that Harbinger in the final cutscene has a face like the Collector General.



I think it's safe to assume that eventually the Human Reaper would have grown into a regular Cuttlefish Reaper, but with a scary humanesque face.

[BattleVisor]

Yeh the human reaper had no legs, just a long spinal cord

[Geassguy360]

Balek-Vriege wrote...
*snip*

The Reapers based off ME2 plot revelations were most like a species that a) Wanted immortality,   Thought the galaxy a prison and c)  If they don't escape the galaxy, immortality will only last as long as the galaxy does.  So they turned themselves into immortal super ships that can go anywhere in the universe.  Maybe the Reaper "core" doesn't consist of "programs" but instead the brain patterns/souls of all the lifeforms the Reaper was created from.

In some twisted savior complex they feel the need to "save" other species from their ultimate mortality by doing the same thing to them.  Millions of years later that plan has evolved into a pattern of galatic genocide and assimilation.  Again similar to Borg, but more similar to some Sci-Fi epic novels where there's the evil ancient threat that does pretty much the exact same thing.  Not a bad plot line since Sci-Fi studies best what would happen to humanity if we eliminated death, loss, hate and/or war and if by doing so, would we eliminate our ability to experience life, joy, love, peace and all the good stuff thus becoming husks of our former selves.

Quoting from a while back, but damn, that makes alot of sense to me.

[Chris2112534566]

if you think about ****** maybe we are over looking something here. Maybe the Reapers only change forms every million years or billion years. but the cycle of extinction is every 50,000.

what if after a certain time the Reapers "shape" is no longer efficient enough to keep. perhaps every once and a great while the Reapers chose a new form (Humans in this case) to allow them to continue their plans whatever they may be. think of it as a type of evolution. after a while certain forms loose their effectiveness so new Traits are chosen through the process of natural selection to give said form a heads up in life. what if the Reapers way of evolving requires them to chose a species with the best possible traits to incorporate into their form since they are artificial constructs Natural Selection wouldn't apply to them.

[martin_bgi]

there is a concept art of the final form of human-reaper in the artbook on page 16, it's floating around this forum somewhere. but the fact is - it looks very squid-like, more similiar to sovereing than to harbinger. and the "larva" featured in the game looks like a core for it, with the "spine" being the base of the front-most tentacle (or so it looks like, maybe i'm wrong). we get the cuttlefish form AND the possibility of "core" being able to detach from the rest (nobody said that sovereign couldn't do it to operate more efficiently in the atmosphere). that could also explain the size of the "larva" - the final form is few times bigger than that.

[LexXxich]

What made me very sceptic, is how exactly human DNA is so "diverse". Species get diverse with mutations and wide areals.

Who has the biggest space? Asari. Who mate with everything to bring more diversity in? Asari.

This whole deal is just another part of human-centric writing.

[halfnormal1]

LexXxich wrote...

What made me very sceptic, is how exactly human DNA is so "diverse". Species get diverse with mutations and wide areals.
Who has the biggest space? Asari. Who mate with everything to bring more diversity in? Asari.
This whole deal is just another part of human-centric writing.

Indeed, the genetic diversity of human DNA is remarkable small. For instance a similar but far less numerous and widespread species, the mountain gorilla; has far more genetic variation. The reasons for this is a hot topic amongst geneticists.

Modifié par halfnormal1, 09 février 2010 - 03:58 .

[HunterX6]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Vigil is a VI and is not omnipresent in the universe, he said what was recorded, but a lot of what he said were assumptions, saying that they all either died or were left to die, how would he know if they were snatched away after Ilos was isolated? Also, he's pretty much stuck where he is and can't really interact with anything outside the station at Ilos. He only knew what the scientists at Ilos came to conclude.

Likely those squid things were the first species to make the reapers, that's why there are more of them. Another possibility is that those are just the shells, and their skeletons are different.... like a Transformer.... wasn't my idea, but I saw it on the forums. Or perhaps they were just experimenting with a new reaper...

They are beyond our understanding... or there is just no good reason and they just are.

amen, at least somebody wise enough.