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[BattleVisor]

It was near Geth space, so yeh I imagine, no one poked their nose round that area often.

[Fulgrim88]

BattleVisor wrote...

It was near Geth space, so yeh I imagine, no one poked their nose round that area often.

The Geth haven't been around for more than 300 years, though. Doesn't really count when there are 37million more years to look around

[Abrazxas]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

...still i can't believe how no one came across that Reaper before...

An astronomical scale is a misunderstood term.  As Carl Sagan put it:

The size and age of the Cosmos are beyond ordinary human understanding.  Lost somewhere between immensity and eternity is our tiny planetary home.

The Milky Way Galaxy is very roughly estimated to be 14,176,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic kilometers in area.  Good luck finding it.

And 14x10 -> 45th(can't make the subscript) is still no where close to the amount of ways a deck of 52 cards can be shuffled.

www.worsleyschool.net/science/files/deck/ofcards.html

Modifié par Abrazxas, 08 février 2010 - 03:08 .

[Sleepicub09]

Mind you its in the Hawking Eta Cluster which was available in the first game

[PARAGON87]

Okay, I am thinking rationally here to come up with the reason that how in 37,000,000 years no one has come across the Derelict Reaper, here it is.

1. Sentient life reaches it's maturity every 50,000 years, and it develops across set paths developed by the Reapers in the Mass Relays. Considering that the asari have been inhabiting the Citadel for the past 3,000 or so years, and never explored the Terminus Systems fully, it is possible that it hasn't been found.  Mnesemoyne's star also isn't in the vicinity of a mass relay.

2. The Rift Valley in Klendagon. To find out what hit Klendagon from where to where, isn't as easy as connect point A to point B when 37 million years have passed. You have to take into account a humongous amount of variables: how much the galaxy has moved, where the stars travelled, whether or not any supernovae occured, black holes, etc. Hell, the various species that inhabited the galaxy might've just said "OOH, nice canyon" and walked away.

3. Its in the atmosphere of a brown dwarf. You know what a brown dwarf is, right? It's a star that failed to ignite. It still gives off radiation and would play like hell to a starship's sensors, not to mention that would risk certain death if it gets too close. Plus, the thing is held afloat by it's dying, yet immense, mass effect core.  Think of it contained within a bubble that's in a moat of red hot lava.  Would you go to get it?

/rant

Modifié par PARAGON87, 08 février 2010 - 03:16 .

[Abrazxas]

PARAGON87 wrote...

Okay, I am thinking rationally here to come up with the reason that how in 37,000,000 years no one has come across the Derelict Reaper, here it is.

1. Sentient life reaches it's maturity every 50,000 years, and it develops across set paths developed by the Reapers in the Mass Relays. Considering that the asari have been inhabiting the Citadel for the past 3,000 or so years, and never explored the Terminus Systems fully, it is possible that it hasn't been found.

2. The Rift Valley in Klencory. To find out what hit Klencory from where to where, isn't as easy as connect point A to point B when 37 million years have passed. You have to take into account a humongous amount of variables: how much the galaxy has moved, where the stars travelled, whether or not any supernovae occured, black holes, etc. Hell, the various species that inhabited the galaxy might've just said "OOH, nice canyon" and walked away.

3. Its in the atmosphere of a brown dwarf. You know what a brown dwarf is, right? It's a star that failed to ignite. It still gives off radiation and would play like hell to a starship's sensors, not to mention that would risk certain death if it gets too close. Plus, the thing is held afloat by it's dying, yet immense, mass effect core.

/rant

Space is huge.  And we are a very tiny piece of it.  It's possible that TIM is a renegade reaper in human form, who knows things so that he can control Sheperd to destroy those who cast him out.

[Mymph]

A) Ever think just maybe that TIM may not want to give Shepard I dunno all information concerning Cerebus activities and isnt telling the whole truth? What if they are currently studying another reaper or another piece of technology? What if they stole the one from the Batarians?
It is also possible that the reaper was found before but I highly doubt many will go public with the discovery of a reaper or ancient ships/weapons only for a government or race to steal it away and deny its existence, Batarians anyone? Now if they follow this logic they would stay on the reaper studying it, eventually turning into husks and there goes that team and all knowledge of the reapers existence, allowing it to lay dormant for many more years for another repetition of history...
C) I assume its quite possible that the races aren't all nice and could be lying about their discoveries, especially their failures... The Destiny Acension is a beast of a ship, but I doubt the Asari will tell you where they got that technology or even share 1/10th of it.
D) Every race prioritizes itself, if they find something they won't share it and you won't hear about it all over the citadel and space....

Modifié par Mymph, 08 février 2010 - 03:51 .

[vigna]

Well, apparently no one has scanned for minerals near Tchanka or earth.

[Fulgrim88]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...
I think you've been playing too much Mass Effect, and you think that the Galaxy is a tangible thing with a set amount of places to visit. There are billions upon billions of stars and systems in the galaxy, finding that derelict Reaper had a very low chance.

We don't search the galaxy at random, though. Theres a set amount of Mass-Relays and every search and exploration radiates from there. Add 37000000 Years of time and it gets pretty damn likely that someone came across that thing, prior to our beloved ~200people-strong private organisation

[adam_grif]

Kharn-ivor wrote...

It seems to me that what ever that weapon was the guns on dreadnoughts or the new Thanix guns are better any ways. Plus making a gun on a planet is pretty silly considering you have to waist huge amouts of energy getting away from its gravity.

But I agree with the "not worth the ressources to look at a dead reaper" ...thats pretty weird.

If you've got a gun that's significacntly more powerful than a dreadnought main gun (i.e. high relativistic velocities, Sovereign shrugged off 20 KG @ 1.3 % of lightspeed), the escacpe velocity of an Earth like planet (~11,200 m/s) isn't even going to make a dent in your main gun power.

Being planetside has advantages, like a ready supply of air to rapidly cool down. This means it can fire far more frequently, because in space the only way to cool down is by thermally radiating (which is like lighting up a huge PLEASE SHOOT ME I'M RIGHT HERE sign), which happens to be extremely slow. In atmosphere you have convection, by cycling air rapidly over your gun barrles and so on.

You can't hide in space (Normandy wanking aside, totally couldn't work in real life because there's no way of hiding your emissions), but you can hide on the ground. You've got huge cover all over the place, and if your gun is mobile, you can hide at will. You also have the first shot advantage, they can't scan a planet surface quickly enough to find you and shoot you before you fire at them and kill a reaper.

So although it initially seems like a bad idea, putting a big honkin' gun on a planet actually makes sense.

[Kurupt87]

the destiny ascension is now superfluous(sp?), a small corvette class ship like the normandy is more powerful and more agile, and could be built for a fraction of the cost, so build lots of em, a fleet of normandies would own.

[Booster008]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...


The Milky Way Galaxy is very roughly estimated to be 14,176,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic kilometers in area.  Good luck finding it.

Cubic and area don't belong in the same sentence. cubic is volume, area is square meters.

[CerealWar]

scyphozoa wrote...

yup, the idea of a derilict reaper and derilict space weapon that no one found or investigated is absurd to me. TIM says the science team on the derilict reaper went missing and wasn't worth more resources - ITS A REAPER - ITS CLEARLY WORTH THE RESOURCES.

sadly, plot holes like this exist to advance the main story arcs and will never make sense or be explained or rationalized. Clearly TIM has the resources to invest in both the Reaper and the Weapon but chooses not to. TIM even says the weapon is defunct, but defunct means it cannot be reverse engineered???

I think technology from the derelict Reaper is involved in the third ME book.

[Willowhugger]

Was I the only one who assumed that it wasn't actually dead and the whole story was just bull****?



I.e. the Reaper was never dead at all.

[mdp310]

Don't forget, guys, that you visited the same system as the dead Reaper in ME1. The planet it's orbiting, in ME1, had some kind of weird anomaly that the Council was going to send a team to study, but they decided to send them to a more-promising planet instead.

[NvVanity]

I'm sure in ME3 we'll be diving into the "Klendagon Cannon" as i'm dubbing it for now. I doubt Cerberus is brushing it off, the Collectors base is old and they care a lot about it. I'm guessing they're hiding it from Shepard for some strange reason.

I'm assuming it was built by the Zeioph they're mentioned in ME1 as an ancient space faring race with MILLIONS of crypts on Armeni. If the Reapers made finding Prothean corpses and ruins very very very hard why would we have such a large amount of bodies left on this world?

Modifié par NvVanity, 09 février 2010 - 12:52 .

[Undeath87]

adam_grif wrote...

Kharn-ivor wrote...

It seems to me that what ever that weapon was the guns on dreadnoughts or the new Thanix guns are better any ways. Plus making a gun on a planet is pretty silly considering you have to waist huge amouts of energy getting away from its gravity.

But I agree with the "not worth the ressources to look at a dead reaper" ...thats pretty weird.

If you've got a gun that's significacntly more powerful than a dreadnought main gun (i.e. high relativistic velocities, Sovereign shrugged off 20 KG @ 1.3 % of lightspeed), the escacpe velocity of an Earth like planet (~11,200 m/s) isn't even going to make a dent in your main gun power.

Being planetside has advantages, like a ready supply of air to rapidly cool down. This means it can fire far more frequently, because in space the only way to cool down is by thermally radiating (which is like lighting up a huge PLEASE SHOOT ME I'M RIGHT HERE sign), which happens to be extremely slow. In atmosphere you have convection, by cycling air rapidly over your gun barrles and so on.

You can't hide in space (Normandy wanking aside, totally couldn't work in real life because there's no way of hiding your emissions), but you can hide on the ground. You've got huge cover all over the place, and if your gun is mobile, you can hide at will. You also have the first shot advantage, they can't scan a planet surface quickly enough to find you and shoot you before you fire at them and kill a reaper.

So although it initially seems like a bad idea, putting a big honkin' gun on a planet actually makes sense.

And dont forget, Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a **** in space. So once you got that shot moving, if you had a firing solution accurate enough you could hit a planet on another freaking solar system if you wanted to.

Anyway, as for the no one discovering it in 37 million years... well maybe it was discovered many times. Hell, the Protheans could have discovered it last for all we know. The Reapers coming by and killing everyone and wiping out most records kind of puts a damper on that.

Anyway so say 50,000 years for it to be discovered... honestly I would have figured it would be found faster once the great rift was discovered... I mean its not like Cerberus could be the only people to use the canyon to track the vector of the shot. I could see the Salarians taking a scientific interest... they are the only species that seems to give any kind of interest besides humanity.

Anyway, I can see a planet based 37 million year old gun as not being that useful in the immediate. Which is all TIM would bother Shepherd with. As said, thats a long time to corrode, and while studying it would no doubt be a useful task, TIM wouldnt bother Shepherd with such things. After all... Shep is a soldier, not a scientist. So if ti worked, yes TIM would be like "Oh we are fixing it to advance the human race! Hooah!" But most likely it is a ancient hunk of metal Only useful for what it could teach a science team.

I was personally more ticked off with the decision to smash the reaper's core and destroy it. I mean come on!  Having a derelict reaper to study would be invaluable to find out how the reapers work and how to destroy them. Your telling me they couldnt have thought of any other solution? BS.

This is one thing frustrating about ME. Most of the times I feel shackled by my damn dialougue options... because none of them make any sense to me. I dont WANT to destroy Saren's genophage cure. No Kaiden, I havent joined Cerberus, I'm using them because I have no other option. Hey, TIM... why dont we tell the Citadel Council about the derelict reaper so that for one they can see for themselves its a freaking reaper, and two so they can produce the reasorces to study it.?

[Bryy_Miller]

vigna wrote...

Well, apparently no one has scanned for minerals near Tchanka or earth.

Meaning?

[cancausecancer]

Meaning that there are some plot holes.

[Stoko981]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

And while the alliance pretty much freaks out about the beacon on Eden Prime, nobody can be bothered to search for Ilos again, even with recent data on the Mu-Relay.

Actually they do go back to Ilos - Anderson tells you that Vigil shut itself down, and that Shep and his team were the only ones to speak to it. I'm guessing it was kept classified though, because although the Codex updates with info about Sovereign's attack on the Citadel, the Codex still refers to the Mu Relay and Ilos as being lost. Which is too bad really, the Mu Relay was supposed to link to dozens of systems.

mdp310 wrote...

Don't forget, guys, that you visited the same system as the dead Reaper in ME1. The planet it's orbiting, in ME1, had some kind of weird anomaly that the Council was going to send a team to study, but they decided to send them to a more-promising planet instead.

Uhm... Sorry man, but I think you're mistaken. You visit the same cluster, Hawking Eta, but in ME1 Hawking Eta only has the Century system available. The Thorne system, where the Reaper is, is ME2 only.

[Agamo45]

I did find it weird that the Illusive Man didn't seem to give a second thought about the weapon. It left a friggen canyon on a planet, from just a glancing blow, and it killed a Reaper. Even if it doesn't work, surely it should be studied a little?

[Landline]

What's to say the defunct weapon had any sort of special tech built into its design? It may have simply been a really goddamned big gun.


Even if it did have special tech, odds are it was stripped clean of anything useful by scavengers.

Modifié par Landline, 09 février 2010 - 02:10 .

[Schneidend]

According to TIM, the giant railgun that took out the reaper was defunct. It was probably too old and decrepit to provide any useful data.