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[Pinnatus]

The OP is the same person who, about a week ago, posted a massive trollfest entitled "Is bloated dialogue and cutscenes killing Mass Effect" or something to that effect. Essentially he was complaining that there wasn't enough combat, too much talking, etc. and that combat didn't carry the same weight as character interactions in terms of gameplay direction. At least, that was what it seemed.

Then, like now, he found that he was in a very small minority, but didn't let that stop him from browbeating anyone who didn't agree with terms like "lazy" and other pejoratives I can't be arsed to go back to the thread to look up.

I figured he got a forum vacation after he started spamming the main page in frustration.

tl;dr: OP is a troll and this thread is intended to be a troll thread.

[WilliamShatner]

My first play through of Mass Effect took me 37 hours.



My first play through of ME2 took 31 hours, and everyone survived. And I wonder how much time was taken up by probing. I'm pretty sure a developer said ME2 had 40% more content than ME1 but I don't see it.

[Taiko Roshi]

Pinnatus wrote...

The OP is the same person who, about a week ago, posted a massive trollfest entitled "Is bloated dialogue and cutscenes killing Mass Effect" or something to that effect. Essentially he was complaining that there wasn't enough combat, too much talking, etc. and that combat didn't carry the same weight as character interactions in terms of gameplay direction. At least, that was what it seemed.

Then, like now, he found that he was in a very small minority, but didn't let that stop him from browbeating anyone who didn't agree with terms like "lazy" and other pejoratives I can't be arsed to go back to the thread to look up.

I figured he got a forum vacation after he started spamming the main page in frustration.

tl;dr: OP is a troll and this thread is intended to be a troll thread.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. You, as a insipid fanboy, are more than happy to denigrate anyone who is making an observation about the game as a troll. Its a shame that we can not have a rational discussion about anything in conjunction with this game without condescending shrill little juvenile fanboys, such as yourself, beating your fanboy drum and trying to drown out anyone who does not want to bend over and take one from EA/BW.

tl:dr poster is a shrill little insipid fanboy who intends to troll in this thread because he is not happy that some one is making an observed opinion about the game.

[MMonkeyking]

30+ hours too complete and still have tons of N7 missions to do, you must be one of those shooter guys that rush the story and skip dialogue to get to the action... my brother is the same

[noobzor99]

My playthroughs were roughly the same for both (24ish), but ME2 feels a lot shorter, because so much time is spent recruiting the squad. The main plotline was only 4-5 hours. That is the problem.



Add to that the drastically reduced sense of scale through no mako and smaller hubs, and it's easy to see why it seems so much shorter.

[Funkcase]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Traumacrazy wrote...

shooter crowd this time

Geez I've played SP FPS games that have lasted longer on the first playthough than ME 2. I know that traditionally FPS games SP are very short, but the main focus is on MP for most of them which extends the life of the game. What is EA/BW excuse with ME 2?

 Bulls**t  have you played any TPS or FPS games longer than ME2 what have you been smoking? And multiplayer is the same thing over and over again, the only good multiplayer game i have heard of is L4D. Halo and Gears of war suck compaired to ME2 (In my oppinion)

Modifié par Funkcase, 08 février 2010 - 10:50 .

[JaegerBane]

Taiko Roshi wrote...
Yes, that makes perfect sense. You, as a insipid fanboy, are more than happy to denigrate anyone who is making an observation about the game as a troll. Its a shame that we can not have a rational discussion about anything in conjunction with this game without condescending shrill little juvenile fanboys, such as yourself, beating your fanboy drum and trying to drown out anyone who does not want to bend over and take one from EA/BW.

tl:dr poster is a shrill little insipid fanboy who intends to troll in this thread because he is not happy that some one is making an observed opinion about the game.

I don't think it necessarily makes one a fanboy when they challenge a claim that a game takes only 20 hours to play when it has over 15 hours of dialogue. The assertion that it was too short was a dodgy one to begin with, as for it to make any sense at all implies you've skipped and speedrunning it - in which case complaining about length is nothing short of idiotic.

I don't suppose you did make the post he's referring to?

[Taiko Roshi]

noobzor99 wrote...

My playthroughs were roughly the same for both (24ish), but ME2 feels a lot shorter, because so much time is spent recruiting the squad. The main plotline was only 4-5 hours. That is the problem.

Add to that the drastically reduced sense of scale through no mako and smaller hubs, and it's easy to see why it seems so much shorter.

I think this is what has been bugging me about the content.

[Darth Virus]

Mass Effect 2 took me about 45 hours doing about everything there is to do, which is about as much as the first Mass Effect. I was standing around a lot listening to conversations in ME2, though. And overdid the scanning thing a bit.

[Darth Virus]

Edit: *sigh* stupid smallband.

Modifié par Darth Virus, 08 février 2010 - 10:56 .

[Pinnatus]

What makes perfect sense is that someone who first complains the game has too much dialogue then complains that the game is too short. You want the game to be shorter or you want it to be longer?

The other thread is here:

http://social.biowar...-937915-LP.html

Modifié par Pinnatus, 08 février 2010 - 11:00 .

[JaegerBane]

Pinnatus wrote...

What makes perfect sense is that someone who first complains the game has too much dialogue then complains that the game is too short. You want the game to be shorter or you want it to be longer?

The other thread is here:

http://social.biowar...-937915-LP.html

:D:D:D:D

I would say that is a fine example of, how do they say it, '0wned'?



I don't really think anything more needs to be said here. If the game is 'bloated' then it can't realistically be too short. Taiko, pick one thing to complain about and stick with it. You're coming across as someone who'd complain that the sky is blue.

[Taiko Roshi]

Pinnatus wrote...

What makes perfect sense is that someone who first complains the game has too much dialogue then complains that the game is too short. You want the game to be shorter or you want it to be longer?

The other thread is here:

http://social.biowar...-937915-LP.html

Please put what I said into context and you will see it makes perfect sense why I am asking about what happened to all the content? The game has more cut-scenes and dialogue than it does combat. What makes it even worse is that the dialogue options have no impact on the game. You can just pick the middle option and its the same as picking the paragon or renegade option. Why? I hope you can put your little drum down and understand this. It is because THERE IS NO CONTENT in the game! So, I am following on from that thread with the perfectly reasonable and logical question,

What happen to all the content?

Just because the game has over-bloated cut-scenes does not give it more content, and it is one of the main reasons why it is so short. Whoever came up with the "15 hours" of dialogue is lieing through their teeth. 

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 08 février 2010 - 11:09 .

[bigman949]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

The game is 40 hours long. Most games aren't half that.

Are we playing the same game? how did you get 40 hrs? Max 30 hrs and that is if i mess around for about 5 hrs or so doing nothing useful. I have about 3 N7 missions left , (i know cause i have the guide) im at 30 hrs but for 3.5 hrs i did mining cause i was bored and didn't feel like a new playthrough at the moment.

Considering that, i will again say max 30 hrs, and i didn't skip any dialogue what so ever (on veteran).

Modifié par bigman949, 08 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[BundyTheRipper]

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of having more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

Modifié par BundyTheRipper, 08 février 2010 - 11:13 .

[Taiko Roshi]

BundyTheRipper wrote...

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of haing more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

I must be getting better at playing RPG but Planetscape took me nearly 60 hours to complete. So did DA:O and NWN for that matter. 

[Garuda One]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

 If my memory serves me correctly about this time after the release of ME 1 I was still in the middle of finishing my first playthrough. With ME 2 I'm now half way through my second playthrough on insane. What happened to all the content? I'm beginning to think that I have paid full price for half a game, and now EA/BW expect me to pay even more money for the other half of the game via DLC.

So, what happened to all the content?

I'll just put this here.

[BundyTheRipper]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of haing more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

I must be getting better at playing RPG but Planetscape took me nearly 60 hours to complete. So did DA:O and NWN for that matter. 

Congrats, enjoy those games. Sell your copy of Mass Effect 2 and realize not everyone is going to view and like every game the same.

[Taiko Roshi]

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of haing more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

I must be getting better at playing RPG but Planetscape took me nearly 60 hours to complete. So did DA:O and NWN for that matter. 

Congrats, enjoy those games. Sell your copy of Mass Effect 2 and realize not everyone is going to view and like every game the same.

Thats the problem. I like ME 2, however it feels like I have paid full price for half a game and I'm going to have to pay for the other half of the game via DLC.

Modifié par Taiko Roshi, 08 février 2010 - 11:18 .

[Mr Theropod]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

The game is 40 hours long. Most games aren't half that.

I'm sorry but that is plain BS. Doing every mission, getting enough credits/resources for upgrades, exploring all dialogue options takes around 20 hours, if that, on insanity. DA:O is 40-60 hours long, ME 2 is lucky to clock in at 20. Even Borderlands has a longer playthrough and I thought that it was short.

i havent started the IFF and am over 26 hrs in

[BundyTheRipper]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of haing more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

I must be getting better at playing RPG but Planetscape took me nearly 60 hours to complete. So did DA:O and NWN for that matter. 

Congrats, enjoy those games. Sell your copy of Mass Effect 2 and realize not everyone is going to view and like every game the same.

Thats the problem. I like ME 2, however it feels like I have paid full price for half a game and I'm going to have to pay for the other half of the game via DLC.

There were side missions, a mission for every squad member, and story missions. The story played out this chapter from start to finish,  as did all the missions.  You got everything you paid for, the dlc will be mostly unrelated to the main quest if history is any indicator.  You are not required to purchase it and much of it is free. Enjoy your replays which will put your game time at a good 40 to 60 depending on what you do. Also realize the middle of a trilogy rarely has more story than the first or last.  Ultimately it is up to you to decide if you want to purchase the dlc.  Alot of it is free, if you feel you paid to much, sell your copy and wait to get a second hand one for significantly cheaper.  Otherwise realize that sometimes games are, to quote Wrex "Worse than you hoped and better than you expected",   Most people are pleased, if you are not... better luck next time.

Modifié par BundyTheRipper, 08 février 2010 - 11:31 .

[Taiko Roshi]

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of haing more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

I must be getting better at playing RPG but Planetscape took me nearly 60 hours to complete. So did DA:O and NWN for that matter. 

Congrats, enjoy those games. Sell your copy of Mass Effect 2 and realize not everyone is going to view and like every game the same.

Thats the problem. I like ME 2, however it feels like I have paid full price for half a game and I'm going to have to pay for the other half of the game via DLC.

There were side missions, a mission for every squad member, and story missions. The story played out this chapter from start to finish,  as did all the missions.  You got everything you paid for, the dlc will be mostly unrelated to the main quest if history is any indicator.  You are not required to purchase it and much of it is free. Enjoy your replays which will put your game time at a good 40 to 60 depending on what you do. Also realize the middle of a trilogy rarely has more story than the first or last.  Ultimately it is up to you to decide if you want to purchase the dlc.  Alot of it is free, if you feel you paid to much, sell your copy and wait to get a second hand one for significantly cheaper.  Otherwise realize that sometimes games are, to quote Wrex "Worse than you hoped and better than you expected",   Most people are pleased, if you are not... better luck next time.

No, the game took me less than 25 hours to complete doing everything. Just as importantly with ME 1, due to all the content, I could replay the game and unlock different skills etc. With ME 2 I can replay the game and watch the same over-bloated cut-scenes and that is all. There is no real content in this game. Hence the question:

Where is all the content?

[Jaysonie]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

The mako added a bunch of time that was very cookie cutter. I'd say in terms of content it is roughly the same. However a game is not required to have more content for the sake of haing more. Mass effect 2 told a story, it told it well, and had many side narratives. Add in that you have paragon and renegade replays to double the time (to say nothing of classes) and een if it clocked in at 20 you have 40 hours. That is standard for an rpg and outstrips a fps.

I must be getting better at playing RPG but Planetscape took me nearly 60 hours to complete. So did DA:O and NWN for that matter. 

Congrats, enjoy those games. Sell your copy of Mass Effect 2 and realize not everyone is going to view and like every game the same.

Thats the problem. I like ME 2, however it feels like I have paid full price for half a game and I'm going to have to pay for the other half of the game via DLC.

There were side missions, a mission for every squad member, and story missions. The story played out this chapter from start to finish,  as did all the missions.  You got everything you paid for, the dlc will be mostly unrelated to the main quest if history is any indicator.  You are not required to purchase it and much of it is free. Enjoy your replays which will put your game time at a good 40 to 60 depending on what you do. Also realize the middle of a trilogy rarely has more story than the first or last.  Ultimately it is up to you to decide if you want to purchase the dlc.  Alot of it is free, if you feel you paid to much, sell your copy and wait to get a second hand one for significantly cheaper.  Otherwise realize that sometimes games are, to quote Wrex "Worse than you hoped and better than you expected",   Most people are pleased, if you are not... better luck next time.

No, the game took me less than 25 hours to complete doing everything. Just as importantly with ME 1, due to all the content, I could replay the game and unlock different skills etc. With ME 2 I can replay the game and watch the same over-bloated cut-scenes and that is all. There is no real content in this game. Hence the question:

Where is all the content?

Did you skip all the dialogue? I can belive it took you 25 hours to do everything.

[Gorn Kregore]

Taiko Roshi wrote...
Where is all the content?

rammed up your rear

[BundyTheRipper]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

[No, the game took me less than 25 hours to complete doing everything. Just as importantly with ME 1, due to all the content, I could replay the game and unlock different skills etc. With ME 2 I can replay the game and watch the same over-bloated cut-scenes and that is all. There is no real content in this game. Hence the question:

Where is all the content?

I guess it depends on what you consider content.  I considered the game to have as much if not more, your opinion differs from mine. Your logic says 2 is greater than 1 mine says 3 is greater than 2... I would suggest not purchasing any dlc because if you didn't enjoy how the content was handled in this one chances are you won't enjoy the dlc, there must have been some minor adjustmant to the formula that most of us don't notice that was a primary point for you.  It is unfortunate, but you are in the minority.  I hope the next games content is handled in a way that is easier for you to digest, so long as I still like it.  I would suggest renting mass effect 3 before buying it to make sure it is the right decision for you.