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[Archie591]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

 If my memory serves me correctly about this time after the release of ME 1 I was still in the middle of finishing my first playthrough. With ME 2 I'm now half way through my second playthrough on insane. What happened to all the content? I'm beginning to think that I have paid full price for half a game, and now EA/BW expect me to pay even more money for the other half of the game via DLC.

So, what happened to all the content?

Hahahahaahaha...

...oh wait? You're not kidding?

So for you content is more combat, less chatting and more driving in the Mako.. Because these are the only ways I can imagine ME1 even coming close to the length of ME2. And half the combat in ME1 took place on random planets that housed the same bunker/facility over and over again.
 I don't really call that content. I'd call that Bioware's attempt to make the game deeper, but falling short of calling it real content - as every mission on every planet consisted of you finding a specific bunker and clearing it out. Or you spent an hour trying to drive the Mako across the Swiss Alps to destroy a base that was nothing more than a few defense towers....

 In ME2 every single mission is in a unique location. Unique background and reasoning for the mission. They are shorter in general because Bioware actually took time to fully flesh out the scenarios, instead of simply dropping another bunker on a bleak planet and telling you to clear it out.

 ME2 has way more content. A simple fact. You can twist it any way you like. Until you manage to actually post a video of you completing 100% of ME2 under 25h - there is no way in hell, I'm even considering that you are older than 10.

 
 Funny thing is that I know you are a troll, and that you like to get your kicks by coming on these forums and getting random people worked up as much as possible. 
 Good for me that I actually enjoy conversing with people like you, because I'm infinitely interested to see how you try and fail to make your points. How every answer that you give is either an insult, complete gibberish or random facts with no basis.


 I have a friend who actually managed to get 60h from ME1 in one playthrough. Yes, he's insane. He still hasn't completed ME2. I'm pretty sure that it's beyond 60h now... He seems to be enjoying himself.
 Completing ME1 under 20h.... cool story bro.

[FlammableSlinky]

ME1s main quest is VERY VERY short including picking up your squad, ME2s main quest with squad and loyalty is much richer and longer.. ME2 has fewer side quests but they don't come out of a template can like in ME1.. In ME one how many quests amounted to landing on the same ship, station or cave, what no where the only difference was where the crates where and which doors where locked? ME2 site quests are far richer and have much better detail.



And the dialog system DOES matter, you can loose loyalty, kill people, and all sorts of other things based on your Paragon or Renegade responses. Have you really played through picking all one or the other, sound like you just selected the middle each time to get through the dialog. Shame..

[Taiko Roshi]

The "minority" are sure posting a lot of threads about the problems with this game. I've just summarized the bulk of them into there being a lack of content. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking that you are part of the "majority", unfortunately you are not.

[Nautica773]

I don't know about a lack of content. I did everything in ME1 and ME2 and in ME2 my playthrough was roughly 15 hours longer.

[AoiDreamer]

Clocked 34 hours my first playthrough on veteran, and I only did 2 N7 missions.

[Taiko Roshi]

FlammableSlinky wrote...

ME1s main quest is VERY VERY short including picking up your squad, ME2s main quest with squad and loyalty is much richer and longer.. ME2 has fewer side quests but they don't come out of a template can like in ME1.. In ME one how many quests amounted to landing on the same ship, station or cave, what no where the only difference was where the crates where and which doors where locked? ME2 site quests are far richer and have much better detail.

And the dialog system DOES matter, you can loose loyalty, kill people, and all sorts of other things based on your Paragon or Renegade responses. Have you really played through picking all one or the other, sound like you just selected the middle each time to get through the dialog. Shame..

Yep, I played my paragon through first and have nearly finished my renegade, both on insane. And I can tell you that the dialogue options have very LITTLE impact on the game. You can only lose the loyalty of two of the main characters and have the option to replace one character with another. And even so that has no impact on the game aside from the potential of losing a character at the end which can, and has proven to be, avoidable. If you think content includes "over-bloated" cut-scenes then you will no doubt start to get bored after the second playthrough, because you have seen it twice already. At least with ME 1 you could play different classes unlock different skills and there was some variation in the builds.

[BundyTheRipper]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

The "minority" are sure posting a lot of threads about the problems with this game. I've just summarized the bulk of them into there being a lack of content. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking that you are part of the "majority", unfortunately you are not.

Forums usually contain many complainers. The majority back the game, again if the issue is that major for you, sell your copy.  If you are complaining that it is not perfect, then you are right please move on.  Most of the times the middle option ends disasterously compared to renegade or paragon. Just look at Tali.  Mass Effect 2 is a not a perfect 10 for you, maybe not even an 8.  You take that risk when you purchase a game.  You have every right to sell that game back and refunded some of your dime. Other than that you are owed nothing.  Again, consider renting ME3 before buying it.  If you like the game then accept it's merits forgive it percieved weaknesses, finish it, play it till you are bored with it and move on. Don't whine about it because no one demands that you play, or even keep the game.

Also many of the choices are obviously set to impact 3 more.

Modifié par BundyTheRipper, 08 février 2010 - 11:53 .

[Jaysonie]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

The "minority" are sure posting a lot of threads about the problems with this game. I've just summarized the bulk of them into there being a lack of content. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking that you are part of the "majority", unfortunately you are not.

Go onto other forums, much larger forums like gametrailers and gamefaqs/gamespot. You'll find nothing but praise. Plus the fact that a majority on this forum are Pc users. Which wouldnt be a problem if pc users actually made up a decent percentage of actual gamers. Add to the fact that Pc gamers are much quicker(and louder) to voice there disdain for something.

[AK118]

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

The game is 40 hours long. Most games aren't half that.

really? i finished in about 21 hours. i skipped a bunch of dialouge, but not all of it, and finished all N7 missions.

[Taiko Roshi]

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

The "minority" are sure posting a lot of threads about the problems with this game. I've just summarized the bulk of them into there being a lack of content. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking that you are part of the "majority", unfortunately you are not.

Forums usually contain many complainers. The majority back the game, again if the issue is that major for you, sell your copy.  If you are complaining that it is not perfect, then you are right please move on.  Most of the times the middle option ends disasterously compared to renegade or paragon. Just look at Tali.  Mass Effect 2 is a not a perfect 10 for you, maybe not even an 8.  You take that risk when you purchase a game.  You have every right to sell that game back and refunded some of your dime. Other than that you are owed nothing.  Again, consider renting ME3 before buying it.  If you like the game then accept it's merits forgive it percieved weaknesses, finish it, play it till you are bored with it and move on. Don't whine about it because no one demands that you play, or even keep the game.

Also many of the choices are obviously set to impact 3 more.

That is complete nonsense. BW stated that the choices you made in ME 1 would impact ME 2. Guess what, they didn't. They're only a cosmetic impact at BEST. What makes you think that ME 3 will be any different. The main problem is that I have paid full price for half a game. I'll repeat that I PAID full price for half a game, I PAID that money because BW made a lot of promises which they DID NOT KEEP. There is no content in this game, aside from over-bloated cut-scenes which lack any punch after you have watched them the first time. The lack of continuity in the story from ME 1 to ME 2 is just another example of the total lack of content in this game. Whether BW addresses this problem for ME 3 will determine whether I will rent or buy it. Not a condescending douche such as yourself. I have every right to voice my opinion and in the hope that BW takes the time to listen and make a better attempt at ME 3. If you can not tolerate my opinion then kindly G T F O this tread and stop posting your insipid fanboy dribble.

[Heliosas]

You can stretch it to 50 hours if you like the club on Omega and scan many, many planets lol.



I much preferred the different areas in ME2 to the same bunkers every time you got on ME1. I found the amount content a little difficult to judge at times what with spending hour after agonizing hour mining for resources. I think what really padded the game out was the missions to gain every characters loyalty. Without those the game would have felt too brief.



I adore the universe they have created though, so the game with never be long enough for me hahaha

[BundyTheRipper]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

BundyTheRipper wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

The "minority" are sure posting a lot of threads about the problems with this game. I've just summarized the bulk of them into there being a lack of content. Feel free to delude yourself into thinking that you are part of the "majority", unfortunately you are not.

Forums usually contain many complainers. The majority back the game, again if the issue is that major for you, sell your copy.  If you are complaining that it is not perfect, then you are right please move on.  Most of the times the middle option ends disasterously compared to renegade or paragon. Just look at Tali.  Mass Effect 2 is a not a perfect 10 for you, maybe not even an 8.  You take that risk when you purchase a game.  You have every right to sell that game back and refunded some of your dime. Other than that you are owed nothing.  Again, consider renting ME3 before buying it.  If you like the game then accept it's merits forgive it percieved weaknesses, finish it, play it till you are bored with it and move on. Don't whine about it because no one demands that you play, or even keep the game.

Also many of the choices are obviously set to impact 3 more.

That is complete nonsense. BW stated that the choices you made in ME 1 would impact ME 2. Guess what, they didn't. They're only a cosmetic impact at BEST. What makes you think that ME 3 will be any different. The main problem is that I have paid full price for half a game. I'll repeat that I PAID full price for half a game, I PAID that money because BW made a lot of promises which they DID NOT KEEP. There is no content in this game, aside from over-bloated cut-scenes which lack any punch after you have watched them the first time. The lack of continuity in the story from ME 1 to ME 2 is just another example of the total lack of content in this game. Whether BW addresses this problem for ME 3 will determine whether I will rent or buy it. Not a condescending douche such as yourself. I have every right to voice my opinion and in the hope that BW takes the time to listen and make a better attempt at ME 3. If you can not tolerate my opinion then kindly G T F O this tread and stop posting your insipid fanboy dribble.

Why is every arguement against yours fanboy drum beating? The decisions in 1 did effect 2. They effected the world,  more than the core story... so what.  You have every right to voice your opinion, but if you do it in a place where you can be replied to you have every right to be told you are wrong.  I didn't even do that, i kindly expressed my condolences that this game didn't turn out the way you hoped. Many people like it and disagree, and a the game is ultimately for them, not you. Bioware doesn't make games for people who aren't happy with their games. You have every right not to purchase the next one on it's merits, and I suggested you do just that, as you said you will.  My point is Bioware doesn't and shouldn't change their whole set up just for people who didn't enjoy the last game, those people simply should not purchase the next.  Many fans enjoyed this one immensly with minor complaints here and there, and they are the voice that matters most. Sorry this game isn't the game for you,  Better luck next game.

Modifié par BundyTheRipper, 09 février 2010 - 12:14 .

[Bootsykk]

I'm reaching about 25 hours now and haven't finished all the personal quests or planet exploration quests.

Quit complaining about lack of content, people. The problem is that you aren't going out to find content.

You gotta find content.
It won't find you.
End of story.

[Schneidend]

As Juneya says, the answer to the title question is this: "They put all the content into the game. Duh."

[KPnuts123]

Okay Taiko this is from your opening post in the thread about bloated cutscenes:

When I first heard that the game would have 2 disc for the Xbox I was genuinely excited. Here I was thinking that that would mean oddles and oddles of combat. I mistakenly assumed this because I thought I was buying a VIDEO GAME. However, to my disappointment what I got was little more than a SOAP OPERA in space.

To say that the developers focused on the ROMANCE instead of the COMBAT in this game is a gross understatement. That is all this game, and I use the word GAME very loosely, is. To think of the potential that ME universe has as a VIDEO GAME the mind boggles as to why it is wasted on ROMANCE! Surely those who want this much ROMANCE in a game can find other games more suitable, like SIMS 3 for example.

For me, ROMANCE is killing ME. ME 2 is just plain boring when it comes to playing a VIDEO GAME. I might as well watch a movie because a VIDEO GAME ME 2 is not!  It is instead a SOAP OPERA and BSG is a much better experience than ME will ever be if you want a SOAP OPERA in space.
 

The first paragraph states that you were looking for 'oodles and oodles' of combat because the game was over 2 discs.  You then go on to state that romance is killing the game.

You then when not getting your own way with that thread decide to start a new thread about there not being enough content.  What don't you get about the fact that Mass Effect is a Character driven narative and not just a go here, empty clip into 4 waves of enemies game.

There is plenty of content in the game if you actually take the time to do the side quest's etc.  However you who stated that you wanted combat aren't interested in the fact that the game has more content and according to you has too much romance in it.  I'm sure you do realise that the romances you can enter into are also content.  So please stop rubbishing people who have played through the game in over 30 hours just because you have rushed through everything in the game just for the combat,

I fully expect you to call me a fanboy etc so feel free but just realise that  people play the game differently and you just seem to be in a minority of people who have decided to speed run through the game and have then come and bashed the game.

*Flame Shield Ready*

Modifié par KPnuts123, 10 février 2010 - 03:31 .

[Handsome Hank]

My first play through was almost exactly 28 hours. That was with doing every side quest, exploring every planet and not skipping through the cut scenes.

[baller7345]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

The game is 40 hours long. Most games aren't half that.

I'm sorry but that is plain BS. Doing every mission, getting enough credits/resources for upgrades, exploring all dialogue options takes around 20 hours, if that, on insanity. DA:O is 40-60 hours long, ME 2 is lucky to clock in at 20. Even Borderlands has a longer playthrough and I thought that it was short.

My first playthough was 51 hours.  While dragonage took me 86 hours.  Its all how you play some go through games faster than others.  I wasn't being killed over and over either I just like to fully enjoy my games.

[Shal-ziar]

I agree with both party's. I love the game, but there are some shortcomings looking at the RPG part I'd love to see more Dragon Age and less Fisher Price skill tree's where every biotic mastery is a Heavy version or an Area version. And I'd love a weapon/inventory hybrid between Mass effect 1 and 2

[hex23]

jienoma wrote...

Absolutely right, ME2 is selling well thanks to ME1 and not thanks to the new gameplay and story, or lack of both.
It remains to be seen if ME3 will sell well, but i doubt it, if nothing will be done to address some of the complaints that a large porton of the old Bioware community have, community, by the way, that have supported and led to success ME1 and many other Bioware games in the last 10 years.

P.S.
There are always fanboys, they usually have short life, until a new game will attract their interest, usually a couple of weeks or a bit more. You can sense them a mile far away so it's easy to avoid them, just don't feed'em with explanations, blind faith is impossible to challenge.

LOL at "ME2 is selling well due to ME1". No.

"ME1" sold 230k or so it's first week and topped out around 2 mill. "ME2" sold close to 1 mill in one week.

In other words, half of what "ME1" sold in it's entirety, in one week. If "ME3" gets equally impressive reviews and a good marketing push it'll do the same with or without people like you.

I realize you dislike the direction they went in "ME2" but "Mass Effect" is now a major mainstream franchise and it's success or failure isn't going to be dictated by a few people on a message board.

Modifié par hex23, 10 février 2010 - 02:28 .

[Sailears]

ME1 playthrough, from scratch (no acheivements, freshly installed from steam), casual difficulty, 'realistic'/semi-deep playthrough (ie not systematically scouring every uncharted world, unfinished collection quests etc...) ~ 23hours

ME2 playthrough (using that l50 ME1 import), casual difficulty, again 'realistic'/semi-deep playthrough ~ 35 hours. And that is without exploring the post-endgame.
Yes I did spend time preparing so that no one died, but not obsessively researching every upgrade, doing every sidequest, or exploring every conversation. I am still quite surprised at the length of the game, it felt like it was shorter.

[kiyyto]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

 If my memory serves me correctly about this time after the release of ME 1 I was still in the middle of finishing my first playthrough. With ME 2 I'm now half way through my second playthrough on insane. What happened to all the content? I'm beginning to think that I have paid full price for half a game, and now EA/BW expect me to pay even more money for the other half of the game via DLC.

So, what happened to all the content?

I've got 37 hours but I've let my character stare at the wall for at least a few hours while I went to do something else.

[kiyyto]

hex23 wrote...

jienoma wrote...

Absolutely right, ME2 is selling well thanks to ME1 and not thanks to the new gameplay and story, or lack of both.
It remains to be seen if ME3 will sell well, but i doubt it, if nothing will be done to address some of the complaints that a large porton of the old Bioware community have, community, by the way, that have supported and led to success ME1 and many other Bioware games in the last 10 years.

P.S.
There are always fanboys, they usually have short life, until a new game will attract their interest, usually a couple of weeks or a bit more. You can sense them a mile far away so it's easy to avoid them, just don't feed'em with explanations, blind faith is impossible to challenge.

LOL at "ME2 is selling well due to ME1". No.

"ME1" sold 230k or so it's first week and topped out around 2 mill. "ME2" sold close to 1 mill in one week.

In other words, half of what "ME1" sold in it's entirety, in one week. If "ME3" gets equally impressive reviews and a good marketing push it'll do the same with or without people like you.

I realize you dislike the direction they went in "ME2" but "Mass Effect" is now a major mainstream franchise and it's success or failure isn't going to be dictated by a few people on a message board.

You are really something, the way you throw around assertions as if you actually know something.
Just by your own words it is not a stretch to believe that a major portion of ME2 sales are from people who liked/played/bought the first game.

You are soon to take the douche crown.

[jeffindenver]

Taiko Roshi wrote...
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The main problem is that I have paid full price for half a game. I'll repeat that I PAID full price for half a game,

...

Exactly how I feel. After Mass Effect 1, I was satisfied and thought, "good story, good ending." After Mass Effect 2, I was scratching my head thinking, "That's it?"

[Panzer Gold]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

SurfaceBeneath wrote...

The game is 40 hours long. Most games aren't half that.

I'm sorry but that is plain BS. Doing every mission, getting enough credits/resources for upgrades, exploring all dialogue options takes around 20 hours, if that, on insanity. DA:O is 40-60 hours long, ME 2 is lucky to clock in at 20. Even Borderlands has a longer playthrough and I thought that it was short.

20 hours? Did you skip through half the dialogue? My first ME2 playthrough on veteran with my imported ME1 Shepard ended up at 39 hours. I enjoyed the content in ME2 much more than ME1. It was nice actually being able to go through the content rather than spend hours driving the crappy Mako around on planet after planet that looks just like every other planet, only to do some side mission that was pretty much just like every other side mission. Not to mention the time wasted mucking about with the bloated and tedious inventory system...

Modifié par Panzer Gold, 10 février 2010 - 11:51 .

[YakoHako]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Durr, I beat this game in twelve seconds.  The first game took me four thousand hours!  Why did EA ruin my entire universe?!  Oh woe is me, woe is me!