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[SithLordExarKun]

So anything that praises this game = OMg f@nboy, paid to giv gud r3view!

But anything that bashes this game completely = truth?

[SithLordExarKun]

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Personally I feel the review is accurate. Mass Effect 2 was inferior in many, many ways to ME1. The ridiculously poor story, among other things, creates a very unsatisfying game.

I couldn't agree more, ME2's sidequests and character development are vastly inferior to ME1's cut and paste uncharted planets with generic enemy bases.

[Coldcall01]

I certainly wont pre-order ME3 as i did with ME2.



I'll wait and see what the mature RPG gamers have to say about it, and if they give it the thumbs up I'll purchase.

[Sibbwolf]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Personally I feel the review is accurate. Mass Effect 2 was inferior in many, many ways to ME1. The ridiculously poor story, among other things, creates a very unsatisfying game.

I couldn't agree more, ME2's sidequests and character development are vastly inferior to ME1's cut and paste uncharted planets with generic enemy bases.

While I actually agree with you, that doesn't make this 'review' any more truth or fair.

[BrandNewMan]

I don't agree that the combat is dull. I found it really fun, and much better than it was in ME1. The main problem I have with the game is the writing. Not the plot or dialog, but the fact that the game lacks any emotional impact. I recall one thing in the game that evoked any emotional response, and that was the moment during Tali's loyalty mission. Seeing her cry was tough...



What the game needed was to give the player gut-wrenching decisions where neither choice had a good outcome. None of this "everyone can make it out alive!" crud. Make me cry Bioware. I dare you.

[Stompi]

You're right, we all should forget the fun we had with Mass Effect 2 so far and start hating the game because some internet review says so. I always do things like that, because I have no opinion of my own.

Modifié par Stompi, 08 février 2010 - 12:28 .

[vhatever]

Well, it's right in the fact that ME2 is largely devoted to securing teammates and then maing them even better by doing their loyalty mission, but there is still a good deal of side quests not related to the main storyline mission or the squadmates.



I'm not sure what the problem is, though. By breaking up the content, it allows you to better tailor your party to deal with things. Every mission has a different flavor. Maybe it's full of rocket launcher dudes on balconies, maybe swaming geth, maybe swarming krogan, maybe heavily shielded mercs, maybe lumbering heavy mechs. When you come facing the geth your squad will probably be different than when you come to face a bunch of vorcha/krogans.



I didnt like that I really didn't learn much more about the ME universe in ME2, so that's a legit complaint. I think the last boss was pretty "corny". but not the other plot "reveals" regarding the reapers.



Considering that sci-fi has covered so many different "things" that any time you do anything in a sci-fi universe, chance are someone else already did something analogous, allowing you to call it "corny".



All he does is complain about the bad, doesn't even metion anything good. Can you honestly believe, even if you didn't like ME2, that absolutely nothing in ME2 was good, and nothing was improved from ME1?

[Mendelevosa]

I bet that the game originally was supposed to be much longer than it is now. I think all the so-called "DLC" that Bioware is releasing between now and ME3's release is actually original content of the game that was cut out so that Bioware would force us to pay for the Cerberus Network in order to get the complete experience of ME2. I noticed that Zaeed seems to interact with a lot of things and characters as if he was originally in the game, which makes me think that we will see a larger variety of main missions in the near future.

[SithLordExarKun]

Sibbwolf wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Personally I feel the review is accurate. Mass Effect 2 was inferior in many, many ways to ME1. The ridiculously poor story, among other things, creates a very unsatisfying game.

I couldn't agree more, ME2's sidequests and character development are vastly inferior to ME1's cut and paste uncharted planets with generic enemy bases.

While I actually agree with you, that doesn't make this 'review' any more truth or fair.

I hope you know i was being sarcastic. This review = plain bashing of game. 

Its funny how the "good" reviews are supposedly trash, BS and paid by bioware but anything that bashes this game = universal truth.

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 08 février 2010 - 12:29 .

[kraze07]

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."



That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

[Akimb0]

Stompi wrote...

You're right, we all should forget the fun we had with Mass Effect 2 so far and start hating the game because some internet review says so. I always do things like that, because I have no opinion of my own.

"We"? Speak for yourself. I've not had much fun so far. I'm just grinding my way through the boring fights, dull characters and contrived story line simply because it's a sequal to a game I actually liked.

scyphozoa wrote...

except truth implies fact and this is objective opinion. so there is no truth and nothing hurts. /thread

So the OP chose a poor topic title. Doesn't change the fact that the review actually includes the bad parts of the game, whether objective or subjective which most reviews handily gloss over or neglect to mention at all.

Modifié par Akimb0, 08 février 2010 - 12:34 .

[Stompi]

Well, I didn't start the "my opinion is the truth" thread.

[Akimb0]

Stompi wrote...

Well, I didn't start the "my opinion is the truth" thread.

Neither did I, so your point is?

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Sibbwolf wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Personally
I feel the review is accurate. Mass Effect 2 was inferior in many, many
ways to ME1. The ridiculously poor story, among other things, creates a
very unsatisfying game.

I couldn't agree more, ME2's sidequests
and character development are vastly inferior to ME1's cut and paste uncharted planets with generic enemy bases.

While I actually agree with you, that doesn't make this 'review' any more truth or fair.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I hope you know i was being sarcastic. This review = plain bashing of game. 

Its
funny how the "good" reviews are supposedly trash, BS and paid by
bioware but anything that bashes this game = universal truth.

It's not funny, it's sad and ironic. The reviews people trust, from big names, like IGN, PCGamer etc. conveniently gloss over the game's shallow, contrived, dull plot and characters. The tedious dumbed down combat, items, equipment and choices. Where as the people who actually have the balls to point out a games flaws are only the minor reviewers. After all, how can a major reviewer be seen talking bad about Bioware, when all the others arn't? *gasp* that would make them different and unpopular. Again, I'll point out, I don't agree entirely with this review, it misses out the (few) good parts of ME2, however it's still refreshing to see someone actually point out the flaws in the game even if they are poorly expressed.

Modifié par Akimb0, 08 février 2010 - 12:41 .

[vhatever]

I don't agree about Zaeed. If he were included in the game before and they ripped him out to purely make him DLC, why does have non-standard interaction? You can't actually talk to him. The idea he makes comments about things as you go is not a big deal. All the places where your teams say something is just like "dialogue X = random comment on Illium", then they just record a comment that is "in character" for that teammate. Kasumi will have the same exact thing, and it wont be because they ripped her out of the main game to sell her as DLC.

[BLY78NOR]

kraze07 wrote...

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."

That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

Nothing make me laugh more then the "more mature PC players" line some people like to throw out there, no one whines more then PC gamers, few things are more imature then constant whining. You might be able to convince each other of your superiority but everyone else sees you for the hypocrites you are.
Loot and grind is not more mature it's just different and not liking it does not make you less mature in the same way that constant whining does

[voteDC]

While the reviewer did only focus on what he didn't like, what he did say was accurate to me and echoed many of my thoughts.



The cover system can be a pain, especially when you are in combat and need to make a run for new cover, accidentally brush against a wall and you latch onto it like a limpet. I also really miss the ability to crouch when not in cover.



The actual story is as solid as the first game but the pacing seems off for me. In Mass Effect 1, Saren and the Geth were an ever present threat, I always felt that they could be just around the next corner. For most of Mass Effect 2 I forget that I was even meant to be fighting the Collectors, they really should have had a bigger presence in the game.



Well I could go on but I think I've made my thoughts know. Mass Effect 2 is a flawed gem and I guess there is truth in this statement "What is the one thing better than an exquisite meal? An exquisite meal with one tiny flaw we can pick at all night."

[KPnuts123]

kraze07 wrote...

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."

That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

I'm just wondering something here.  Considering that I'm a console gamer does that mean that I'm not mature in anyway??


I don't game on my laptop because I don't want to.  In fact the only game I do play on the laptop is football manager.  Please don't pigeon hole gamers just because of the platform they choose to play a game on.

[Sibbwolf]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

I hope you know i was being sarcastic. This review = plain bashing of game. 

Its funny how the "good" reviews are supposedly trash, BS and paid by bioware but anything that bashes this game = universal truth.

How sarcastic?

I agree the game needed more depth for the characters, I disagree with the review however as it implies there is none.. , and the controls need work, but other than that...:innocent:

[Sarevok Anchev]

The Reviewer is right about certain, if not most of the negative points in ME2.

Still its a really good game.



The Way he scribes and describes just shows his personal dissatisfaction and giving it a 6/10, while ONLY talking about the Negatives, shows him as a unprofessional "Reviewer" (he sounds more like a Forumite in that tone), who cant make a objective Test and pack his Oppinion in an extra Area.



My Reviews-Reviewer Score: 6/10

[Canez fan 1988]

I disagree. All of the characters were pretty deep and interesting, even Grunt and Jacob. The combat was excellent and I never had any real problems running to and from cover, as well as hurdling objects. I also love the strategic element of the game because now you can give individual squadmate commands and hit the enemy from three different directions.

The only thing I agree with the reviewer on was the sidequests being boring and getting tired of killing mercs.

Modifié par Canez fan 1988, 08 février 2010 - 01:01 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

So anything that praises this game = OMg f@nboy, paid to giv gud r3view!
But anything that bashes this game completely = truth?

Pretty much.

Ignore the fact that there hasn't been an objectively negative review of the game published in any media since its release. Anyone who likes the game is a fanboi and anyone who doesn't is an intelligent and discerning individual of taste and class.

[corebit]

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"



Move along people, nothing new to see here.

[KPnuts123]

corebit wrote...

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Pretty much.  Like I said earlier I better stop reading the Multiformat mag Games tm (which is hard for a game to impress) as their positive review must be totally untrue and all negative ones must be true.

[Akimb0]

Canez fan 1988 wrote...

I disagree. All of the characters were pretty deep and interesting, even Grunt and Jacob.

Really? I found some of them interesting, but was dissapointed that there didn't seem to be much more than that. They wern't developed enough.

The combat was excellent and I never had any real problems running to and from cover, as well as hurdling objects. I also love the strategic element of the game because now you can give individual squadmate commands and hit the enemy from three different directions.

Did you play ME1? Because you could do the same in that.

The only thing I agree with the reviewer on was the sidequests being boring and getting tired of killing mercs.

Yep, I started doing a few side missions. Walk forwards, shoot, beat "boss", mission ends.