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[Carmarkcaine]

BLY78NOR wrote...

kraze07 wrote...

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."

That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

Nothing make me laugh more then the "more mature PC players" line some people like to throw out there, no one whines more then PC gamers, few things are more imature then constant whining. You might be able to convince each other of your superiority but everyone else sees you for the hypocrites you are.
Loot and grind is not more mature it's just different and not liking it does not make you less mature in the same way that constant whining does

Could it be you confuse the whining, with expectations ? I know consol players dont have the same expectations. They seem to be more satisfied with more linier games.

[FlintlockJazz]

The review is biased, he focuses and exaggerates all the bad points and comes across as a fanboy who has been disappointed and feels the need to make it known. While 'OMG Awesomesauce!" reviews are probably biased as well, that does not make a review that is trying to make controversial statements to get noticed any more truthful.



Overall, I find it a very childish review, hating a game is just as bad as being a fanboy/being paid to give it a good review. I also suspect the OP is the author, and he posted it here as self-publicity.

[Akimb0]

corebit wrote...

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Stop trolling. This is another case of: "I'm blindly devoted to the game, so I'll defend it even in the face of it's glowing flaws, because doing so on the developer board will make me popular!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

[Nightbeamz]

Its so pointless to argue over this, especially on who enjoys the game more. I'm personally addicted to it already beating it 3 times with different characters each. The only thing I miss from ME1 was the inventory system, but that still doesn't make this not fun for me at all. The gameplay is excellent as well, as in Mass Effect 1 you would just have the same generic skills but in this one you have more variety. Infiltrators and Vanguards are fun as hell.

[Carmarkcaine]

kraze07 wrote...


I'm just wondering something here.  Considering that I'm a console gamer does that mean that I'm not mature in anyway??

No, it properly just means you are satified with less, why else play FPS on consol? Again its my opnion, dont start whining or complaining if you disagree, Im not wasting my time on such a diskussion.

[SurfaceBeneath]

Akimb0 wrote...

corebit wrote...

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Stop trolling. This is another case of: "I'm blindly devoted to the game, so I'll defend it even in the face of it's glowing flaws, because doing so on the developer board will make me popular!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

[corebit]

Akimb0 wrote...

corebit wrote...

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Stop trolling. This is another case of: "I'm blindly devoted to the game, so I'll defend it even in the face of it's glowing flaws, because doing so on the developer board will make me popular!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Cute. If the game really had "glowing flaws", it would have received a less-than-stellar score across the board from all the reviewers. But I applaud your effort in scavenging one poor review out of hundreds of positive ones.

Next thing you'll tell me the positive ones were all bribed and paid for amirite?

[SithLordExarKun]

Akimb0 wrote...

It's not funny, it's sad and ironic. The reviews people trust, from big names, like IGN, PCGamer etc. conveniently gloss over the game's shallow, contrived, dull plot and characters. The tedious dumbed down combat, items, equipment and choices. Where as the people who actually have the balls to point out a games flaws are only the minor reviewers. After all, how can a major reviewer be seen talking bad about Bioware, when all the others arn't? *gasp* that would make them different and unpopular. Again, I'll point out, I don't agree entirely with this review, it misses out the (few) good parts of ME2, however it's still refreshing to see someone actually point out the flaws in the game even if they are poorly expressed.

Nobody ever argued that ME2 is perfect, even i, despite the fact that i preferred ME2 to ME1, don't particulary like the flaws that is present in this game and even pointed them out several times.



What i am not particularly fond of is this mindset of this particular forum(considering i have yet to see needless bashing on so many other forums) is that anything that gives mass effect 2 a good review is utter turd,unfair, guilty of bribery, and an unintelligent fanboy with no life(oh the irony) and anything that completely bashes this game is the one and universal truth.



What i don't like is people constantly bashing the ones who like the game.

[FlintlockJazz]

Akimb0 wrote...

Canez fan 1988 wrote...

I disagree. All of the characters were pretty deep and interesting, even Grunt and Jacob.

Really? I found some of them interesting, but was dissapointed that there didn't seem to be much more than that. They wern't developed enough.

I found many of the loyalty missions in particular to be quite emotional and to give deep insights into the character.  Grunt's gave insight into Tuchanka society more than actual insights into his personality, but then due to his particular circumstances that was understandable and was just as much learning as Shep was.

The combat was excellent and I never had any real problems running to and from cover, as well as hurdling objects. I also love the strategic element of the game because now you can give individual squadmate commands and hit the enemy from three different directions.

Did you play ME1? Because you could do the same in that.

I personally enjoyed the combat more in ME2, you could take cover in ME1 but it wasn't needed after the first few missions, and I find it just works alot better in 2 and feels more intense.  Personal opinion of course.

The only thing I agree with the reviewer on was the sidequests being boring and getting tired of killing mercs.

Yep, I started doing a few side missions. Walk forwards, shoot, beat "boss", mission ends.

Agreed, the crate one was also just frustrating.

[BLY78NOR]

Carmarkcaine wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

kraze07 wrote...

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."

That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

Nothing make me laugh more then the "more mature PC players" line some people like to throw out there, no one whines more then PC gamers, few things are more imature then constant whining. You might be able to convince each other of your superiority but everyone else sees you for the hypocrites you are.
Loot and grind is not more mature it's just different and not liking it does not make you less mature in the same way that constant whining does

Could it be you confuse the whining, with expectations ? I know consol players dont have the same expectations. They seem to be more satisfied with more linier games.

In general no, from the failed MW2 and L4D2 boycots to the constant "we are superior" attitude it's pretty clear that anything that isn't specifically tailored to your tasted ends in nerd rage 

[Popcorn Avenger]

More of a criticism than a review. However, many of his points were valid. I do disagree that the characters are "not compelling enough".

Modifié par Popcorn Avenger, 08 février 2010 - 01:19 .

[SithLordExarKun]

BLY78NOR wrote...



In general no, from the failed MW2 and L4D2 boycots to the constant "we are superior" attitude it's pretty clear that anything that isn't specifically tailored to your tasted ends in nerd rage 

So a handful of these pc elitist scumbags = to every single pc players being whiners with "we are superior" attitude?

Maybe you don't realize that half the time console users bash pc users before the thing erupts into a crap storm?

[Pannamaslo]

I agree that mainstory was  medicore, not to mention last boss was beyond stupid IMO (Saren was much more complex and compelling than main protagonist of ME2), but loyalty quests and characters as well as gameplay compensated this flaws. I really enjoyed ME2. Thanks to amazing characters it was very emotional experience, I think it's a first game that had this kind of effect on me. Except maybe BG2.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 08 février 2010 - 01:26 .

[Carmarkcaine]

BLY78NOR wrote...

Carmarkcaine wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

kraze07 wrote...

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."

That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

Nothing make me laugh more then the "more mature PC players" line some people like to throw out there, no one whines more then PC gamers, few things are more imature then constant whining. You might be able to convince each other of your superiority but everyone else sees you for the hypocrites you are.
Loot and grind is not more mature it's just different and not liking it does not make you less mature in the same way that constant whining does

Could it be you confuse the whining, with expectations ? I know consol players dont have the same expectations. They seem to be more satisfied with more linier games.

In general no, from the failed MW2 and L4D2 boycots to the constant "we are superior" attitude it's pretty clear that anything that isn't specifically tailored to your tasted ends in nerd rage 

Well call it whatever you want. You are also in here for a reason, if not to "whine" than to whine about the whiners, who imo atleast have a valid point.

[Akimb0]

corebit wrote...

Akimb0 wrote...

corebit wrote...

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Stop trolling. This is another case of: "I'm blindly devoted to the game, so I'll defend it even in the face of it's glowing flaws, because doing so on the developer board will make me popular!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Cute. If the game really had "glowing flaws", it would have received a less-than-stellar score across the board from all the reviewers. But I applaud your effort in scavenging one poor review out of hundreds of positive ones.

That's the point, the majority of reviews are just glossing over or ignoring entirely any problems the game has. I'm not saying that ME2 is an awful game, that has nothing but bad points, because it's not. However it's certainly not a perfect game, but most reviews treat it like it is.

p.s. You seem to be assuming this is my thread and that I found and 100% agree with that review. I didn't  and I don't.

SithLordExarKun wrote...

What i don't like is people constantly bashing the ones who like the game.

Ironic, because most of the fanboy replies are targetting members in this thread as opposed to the review.

FlintlockJazz wrote...

I found many of the loyalty
missions in particular to be quite emotional and to give deep insights
into the character.  Grunt's gave insight into Tuchanka society more
than actual insights into his personality, but then due to his
particular circumstances that was understandable and was just as much
learning as Shep was.

Yeah I agree. some of the dialogue in the loyalty missions was well written. It's just a shame there was a lot more of it.

Modifié par Akimb0, 08 février 2010 - 01:31 .

[SithLordExarKun]

Akimb0 wrote...


Ironic, because most of the fanboy replies are targetting members in this thread as opposed to the review.

Just like how the "fanboys" got bashed in ME2 praise threads for stating their personal opinions.

[BLY78NOR]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...



In general no, from the failed MW2 and L4D2 boycots to the constant "we are superior" attitude it's pretty clear that anything that isn't specifically tailored to your tasted ends in nerd rage 

So a handful of these pc elitist scumbags = to every single pc players being whiners with "we are superior" attitude?

Maybe you don't realize that half the time console users bash pc users before the thing erupts into a crap storm?

yes that must be it everyone else bashes you and that triggers the **** storms.... It's not this sick sense of entitlement and need to belittle everyone that doesn't share your own personal tastes in games that make most of us wish you'd simply go away triggers it.

You don't see many console gamers complain 24/7 about games being to PC for them, they simply go play something else they do like instead.

Saying things like dumbed down for console gamers or more mature PC gamers is what triggers these **** storms, just don't say it if you don't like having pointed out what a bunch of whiny hypocrites you are

[Jarlravn]

He mentions ME1's sidequests to be superior to ME2's? I'm sorry, but.. Seriously. I thought ME2's sidequests were vastly superior to the typical Mako and generic enemy/base battles in ME1, but maybe that's just me.

[dj1917]

The problem is that a lot of people were expecting an RPG and didn't get one, whatever excuses may be made by the Bioware-can-do-no-wrong crowd and their mob-like behaviour when attacking dissenters from their viewpoint on this board. There are very limited choices for the RPG fan on consoles and we quite reasonably expected ME2 to be a great addition to that extremely limited genre. What we got instead was a very good, but not brilliant, quite linear shooter with a few RPG elements. It is perfectly fair for people who played and enjoyed the first game, an RPG, to expect that it's sequel would be the same sort of game. And don't tell me to play Dragon age, kiddies, I did that. You may be able to tell from the avatar. I'd like a new RPG now, please.
Edit - I should add that I thought ME1 was far from perfect , so don't attack me on the basis that you imagine I want to drive the Mako around identical planets, or loved the lifts (though they were still better than loading screens and end-of-level summaries)

Modifié par dj1917, 08 février 2010 - 01:36 .

[Kronner]

The review is a pure BS. Bad and dull combat? Say what? ME2 combat system is light years ahead of ME1, where you were a God regardless of difficulty and your class. ME2 is at least a bit challenging.
The only thing I miss is more items variety, displayed stats for weapons, armor and other gear. I'd also like a lot more interaction with my crew. But that's about it. ME2 is not a perfect game, but it is a great one and provided me with one of the best gaming experiences in my life.

Modifié par Kronner, 08 février 2010 - 01:35 .

[BLY78NOR]

Carmarkcaine wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

Carmarkcaine wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

kraze07 wrote...

"It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players."

That's exactly what I think. This review is kind of harsh. The author makes things seem worse than they actually are, but at the same time some of his points are valid. ME1 seemed like it gave me a much deeper experience. It really drew the player into the story and the whole Mass Effect universe. I'm not saying ME2 didn't do the same, it just felt watered down compared to ME1.

Nothing make me laugh more then the "more mature PC players" line some people like to throw out there, no one whines more then PC gamers, few things are more imature then constant whining. You might be able to convince each other of your superiority but everyone else sees you for the hypocrites you are.
Loot and grind is not more mature it's just different and not liking it does not make you less mature in the same way that constant whining does

Could it be you confuse the whining, with expectations ? I know consol players dont have the same expectations. They seem to be more satisfied with more linier games.

In general no, from the failed MW2 and L4D2 boycots to the constant "we are superior" attitude it's pretty clear that anything that isn't specifically tailored to your tasted ends in nerd rage 

Well call it whatever you want. You are also in here for a reason, if not to "whine" than to whine about the whiners, who imo atleast have a valid point.

Yes, i'm here to discuss the game but when even the slighest hint that you like it leads to a barrage of insuls from our all knowing PC overlods that's somewhat hard to do without it degenerating into a flame fest

[JabberJaww]

Oh yeah i keep forgetting



Only the negative reviews are truthful, and the overwhelming positive reviews are wrong. Give me a break

[Wintermist]

Why even argue over this? One half thinks this, other half thinks that, you're both right to believe what you like.

[Stranglebat]

What Akimbo is saying is if a Great sports team has 1 or 2 bad players on it, then the whole team must suck. Then accusing any opposition to his statements as fan boys. For someone with such avivd opinions on why its so bad, he sure does post alot of its forums.



The Review seemed more like a "complaint list" than a comprehensive review, but the said reviewer has submitted only a grand total of 13 reviews. Experienced guy.



I really like the game myself and had alot of fun in with it, its completely different to ME1 but it doesnt matter as long as you enjoy it. Its not a Crime to like RPGs or FPS/TPS and they arent meant to be liked in a mutally exclusive fashion.



Play it or don't up to you, just don't try tell other people what they like eh?

[SithLordExarKun]

BLY78NOR wrote...




You don't see many console gamers complain 24/7 about games being to PC for them, they simply go play something else they do like instead.

I actually do, in plenty of other forums.

BLY78NOR wrote...
Saying things like dumbed down for console gamers or more mature PC gamers is what triggers these **** storms, just don't say it if you don't like having pointed out what a bunch of whiny hypocrites you are

Right, and now you're bashing me for absolutely no reason. 

Quote me where exactly did i say it was dumbed downed for console games?I'll answer just for you: I didn't
I love how you're just assuming that every pc gamer is like that because of a select handful.

If anything, people like you whine as much as those elitist do, infact you're whining about their whining, now that is pretty ironic isn't it? Oh say what? Oh! Thats right! H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e!