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[LostHH]

dj1917 wrote...

The problem is that a lot of people were expecting an RPG and didn't get one, whatever excuses may be made by the Bioware-can-do-no-wrong crowd and their mob-like behaviour when attacking dissenters from their viewpoint on this board. There are very limited choices for the RPG fan on consoles and we quite reasonably expected ME2 to be a great addition to that extremely limited genre. What we got instead was a very good, but not brilliant, quite linear shooter with a few RPG elements. It is perfectly fair for people who played and enjoyed the first game, an RPG, to expect that it's sequel would be the same sort of game. And don't tell me to play Dragon age, kiddies, I did that. You may be able to tell from the avatar. I'd like a new RPG now, please.
Edit - I should add that I thought ME1 was far from perfect , so don't attack me on the basis that you imagine I want to drive the Mako around identical planets, or loved the lifts (though they were still better than loading screens and end-of-level summaries)

What this guy said, I expected but didn't get. Also, I'm not a fan of fantasy settings so atleast the game is still sci fi.
Don't get me wrong, I love the game but it's a totally different game to ME1.

[Akimb0]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Akimb0 wrote...


Ironic, because most of the fanboy replies are targetting members in this thread as opposed to the review.

Just like how the "fanboys" got bashed in ME2 praise threads for stating their personal opinions.

And yet you've added nothing to this thread other than bashing members for having an opinion different to your own.

[Clova]

this is the reason i dont read reviews, period. Much like movie critics, They tend to either be flat out wrong, or at best biased for one side or another. I learned a loooong time ago never to believe the crap they spew, as i often have a different opinion once i start playing.

[SithLordExarKun]

Akimb0 wrote...

And yet you've added nothing to this thread other than bashing members for having an opinion different to your own.

Yeah, because being sarcastic = bashing someone, did i call that guy an idiot or an imbecile just because he had a different opinion from me? Did i ask him to stfu? Was i being a fanboy with raging hormones claiming ME2 is perfect?    Answer: No.

Why don't you quote word for word where i actually bashed someone just because his/her opinions differed from mine? What? You can't? Oh thats right, i didn't bash anybody.

[BLY78NOR]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...




You don't see many console gamers complain 24/7 about games being to PC for them, they simply go play something else they do like instead.

I actually do, in plenty of other forums.

BLY78NOR wrote...
Saying things like dumbed down for console gamers or more mature PC gamers is what triggers these **** storms, just don't say it if you don't like having pointed out what a bunch of whiny hypocrites you are

Right, and now you're bashing me for absolutely no reason. 

Quote me where exactly did i say it was dumbed downed for console games?I'll answer just for you: I didn't
I love how you're just assuming that every pc gamer is like that because of a select handful.

If anything, people like you whine as much as those elitist do, infact you're whining about their whining, now that is pretty ironic isn't it? Oh say what? Oh! Thats right! H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e!

I didn't bring it into this someone else did you chose to quote me and reply i returned the favor, if you don't feel like debating it then feel free not to.

[Canez fan 1988]

Akimb0 wrote...

Canez fan 1988 wrote...

I disagree. All of the characters were pretty deep and interesting, even Grunt and Jacob.

Really? I found some of them interesting, but was dissapointed that there didn't seem to be much more than that. They wern't developed enough.

The combat was excellent and I never had any real problems running to and from cover, as well as hurdling objects. I also love the strategic element of the game because now you can give individual squadmate commands and hit the enemy from three different directions.

Did you play ME1? Because you could do the same in that.

The only thing I agree with the reviewer on was the sidequests being boring and getting tired of killing mercs.

Yep, I started doing a few side missions. Walk forwards, shoot, beat "boss", mission ends.

Its been awhile since I played ME1 but I if I remember correctly you could only order your SQUAD into one position. In ME2 for example, you can have Miranda move to point A and Mordin point B so that you can attack from three different positions. In ME1 when you gave an order both squadmates would go to the same area. Regardless, the combat in ME2 was smooth and very fluid. As far as the characters go, they all were pretty interesting and deep characters IMO.

[ODST 3]

I think the majority speaks for itself. The game is overall loved. Doesn't matter how many disgruntled tw@ts present their opinion as fact.

[Carmarkcaine]

BLY78NOR wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...



In general no, from the failed MW2 and L4D2 boycots to the constant "we are superior" attitude it's pretty clear that anything that isn't specifically tailored to your tasted ends in nerd rage 

So a handful of these pc elitist scumbags = to every single pc players being whiners with "we are superior" attitude?

Maybe you don't realize that half the time console users bash pc users before the thing erupts into a crap storm?

yes that must be it everyone else bashes you and that triggers the **** storms.... It's not this sick sense of entitlement and need to belittle everyone that doesn't share your own personal tastes in games that make most of us wish you'd simply go away triggers it.

You don't see many console gamers complain 24/7 about games being to PC for them, they simply go play something else they do like instead.

Saying things like dumbed down for console gamers or more mature PC gamers is what triggers these **** storms, just don't say it if you don't like having pointed out what a bunch of whiny hypocrites you are

Thats because PC players remember the days when games made for PC's were made for PC's and thats it. Ever since the game developers started branching out trying to reach both PC and consol game, things have gotten worse for PC gamers, like it or not, its just the sad truth.

Besides, the PC community on the internet is also larger and hence you will see more people whining or giving credit. If you take the time to read the posts on the forum, youll see most of them actually praise the game.

[SithLordExarKun]

BLY78NOR wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...




You don't see many console gamers complain 24/7 about games being to PC for them, they simply go play something else they do like instead.

I actually do, in plenty of other forums.

BLY78NOR wrote...
Saying things like dumbed down for console gamers or more mature PC gamers is what triggers these **** storms, just don't say it if you don't like having pointed out what a bunch of whiny hypocrites you are

Right, and now you're bashing me for absolutely no reason. 

Quote me where exactly did i say it was dumbed downed for console games?I'll answer just for you: I didn't
I love how you're just assuming that every pc gamer is like that because of a select handful.

If anything, people like you whine as much as those elitist do, infact you're whining about their whining, now that is pretty ironic isn't it? Oh say what? Oh! Thats right! H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e!

I didn't bring it into this someone else did you chose to quote me and reply i returned the favor, if you don't feel like debating it then feel free not to.

Actually, you did, you instigated this.

[BLY78NOR]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...

SithLordExarKun wrote...

BLY78NOR wrote...




You don't see many console gamers complain 24/7 about games being to PC for them, they simply go play something else they do like instead.

I actually do, in plenty of other forums.

BLY78NOR wrote...
Saying things like dumbed down for console gamers or more mature PC gamers is what triggers these **** storms, just don't say it if you don't like having pointed out what a bunch of whiny hypocrites you are

Right, and now you're bashing me for absolutely no reason. 

Quote me where exactly did i say it was dumbed downed for console games?I'll answer just for you: I didn't
I love how you're just assuming that every pc gamer is like that because of a select handful.

If anything, people like you whine as much as those elitist do, infact you're whining about their whining, now that is pretty ironic isn't it? Oh say what? Oh! Thats right! H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e!

I didn't bring it into this someone else did you chose to quote me and reply i returned the favor, if you don't feel like debating it then feel free not to.

Actually, you did, you instigated this.

No i was replying to someone else when you chose to chime inn only to get offended when i didn't agree 

[bjdbwea]

Carmarkcaine wrote...

Thats because PC players remember the days when games made for PC's were made for PC's and thats it. Ever since the game developers started branching out trying to reach both PC and consol game, things have gotten worse for PC gamers, like it or not, its just the sad truth.

Yeah, this. Console titles in general are much more shallow and superficial. How much of that is due to inferior hardware and controls and how much due to a different kind of audience, is another discussion. In any case that's probably the reason why console gamers still love the game - it still has more depth and meaning than most other games on their platform, and they don't know better. PC gamers know and remember better, not least from BioWare. That's why they aren't as easily satisfied. Hence our "whining".

[ODST 3]

SithLordExarKun wrote...

Ozymandias23 wrote...

Personally I feel the review is accurate. Mass Effect 2 was inferior in many, many ways to ME1. The ridiculously poor story, among other things, creates a very unsatisfying game.

I couldn't agree more, ME2's sidequests and character development are vastly inferior to ME1's cut and paste uncharted planets with generic enemy bases.

Some people found those exciting... as if it counts as "exploring" when you're walking through a building you've been through seven times already. Many of the gripers also seem to suck ass at combat.

[Clova]

scyphozoa wrote...

yeah pc gamers need to drop the bad attitudes and buy an xbox. lets be real, i'm not here for console wars, the TRUTH (as supported by facts) is that consoles generate more money than pc games do. so pc games are extinct and forever on the backburner. pc gamers need to drop the attitude because having a bad attitude won't stop the xbox/ps3 from generating billions of dollars a year.

Well, i know for sure my ocmputer breaks not nearly as often as the RRoD syndrome my xbox friendstend to get

I love my console games (PS3/wii) i really do, but to assume the PC isnt still a part of the marketplace and generateing revenue is silly. I am both a PC and console gamer, and both have enough special upsides to them to keep them relevant against the other

[FlintlockJazz]

dj1917 wrote...

The problem is that a lot of people were expecting an RPG and didn't get one, whatever excuses may be made by the Bioware-can-do-no-wrong crowd and their mob-like behaviour when attacking dissenters from their viewpoint on this board. There are very limited choices for the RPG fan on consoles and we quite reasonably expected ME2 to be a great addition to that extremely limited genre. What we got instead was a very good, but not brilliant, quite linear shooter with a few RPG elements. It is perfectly fair for people who played and enjoyed the first game, an RPG, to expect that it's sequel would be the same sort of game. And don't tell me to play Dragon age, kiddies, I did that. You may be able to tell from the avatar. I'd like a new RPG now, please.
Edit - I should add that I thought ME1 was far from perfect , so don't attack me on the basis that you imagine I want to drive the Mako around identical planets, or loved the lifts (though they were still better than loading screens and end-of-level summaries)

I disagree, I'm a long term RPG fan and find the game to be one of the best RPGs I have played in a long time.  I think the problem is that it doesn't cover all the different forms of RPGs, since RPGs can vary quite drastically, and ME2 is a specific form of RPG and doesn't cover the 'phat loot' type of RPGs many people play RPGs for.

[SithLordExarKun]

scyphozoa wrote...

yeah pc gamers need to drop the bad attitudes and buy an xbox. lets be real, i'm not here for console wars, the TRUTH (as supported by facts) is that consoles generate more money than pc games do. so pc games are extinct and forever on the backburner. pc gamers need to drop the attitude because having a bad attitude won't stop the xbox/ps3 from generating billions of dollars a year.

You have no idea what capitalism is do you? Even if consoles make more money than pc's how is that going to stop developers from developing games for the pc? Every company out there is to milk as much money from the economy as possible.

Hell there are still a handful of pc exclusive games that sell rather well(Sims?) and guess what? They said pc gaming would have died in the 90's, and then the 2000's, and then now. They were wrong. Funny how a dying pc game like the sims franchise practically outsold any console title to date.

Don't treat your opinions as facts, if pc gaming is going to die, why do companies like Nvidia and ATI spend money developing graphic cards and spend time optimizing drivers? If pc games truly died they wouldn't even bother/

Modifié par SithLordExarKun, 08 février 2010 - 01:57 .

[Clova]

Rather well? I thought Sims was the most sold game ever, as it seems to have a VERY broad audiesnce? :-p

[SithLordExarKun]

Clova wrote...

Rather well? I thought Sims was the most sold game ever, as it seems to have a VERY broad audiesnce? :-p

Exactly, if pc games are a dying breed how did a game like that manage to out sell every pc and console game? I was just refuting his ridiculous and baseless assertion.

[Clova]

Eh, this thread has become full of generalizations based on personal preference. ALl PC gamers = elitist snobs, all console gamers = correct 100%, all those that support Bioware even if they have some criticisms = fanboys, ect ect...

[ODST 3]

Akimb0 wrote...

corebit wrote...

This is another case of: "I hate the game, so reviews that agree with me are fair and objective! All other reviews are fanboy crap!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

Stop trolling. This is another case of: "I'm blindly devoted to the game, so I'll defend it even in the face of it's glowing flaws, because doing so on the developer board will make me popular!"

Move along people, nothing new to see here.

He's not trolling any more than you. Less, because he hasn't made as many posts.

[BLY78NOR]

Carmarkcaine wrote...


Thats because PC players remember the days when games made for PC's were made for PC's and thats it. Ever since the game developers started branching out trying to reach both PC and consol game, things have gotten worse for PC gamers, like it or not, its just the sad truth.

Besides, the PC community on the internet is also larger and hence you will see more people whining or giving credit. If you take the time to read the posts on the forum, youll see most of them actually praise the game.

That's fine if a series was made just for PC but it was NEVER intended to be for PC only, cry all you want but the fact of the matter is this, unless you're Blizzard you'll probably make more money developing for consoles then you will for computers and if you do you have to take different tastes into account.
It's not dumbing down for a less mature crowd like i've seen posted here god known how many times now. Personally i think loot and grind is a pretty dumb way to play does micromanaging gear really make you that much smarter or more mature?
i also don't go around trying to belittle people who like it every chance i get like some PC players do because my personal tastes where not the primary focus of a game aimed at a mass audience, that's the attitude i have a problem with

bjdbwea wrote...



Yeah, this. Console titles in
general are much more shallow and superficial. How much of that is due
to inferior hardware and controls and how much due to a different kind
of audience, is another discussion. In any case that's
probably the reason why console gamers still love the game - it still
has more depth and meaning than most other games on their platform, and
they don't know better. PC gamers know and remember better, not least from BioWare. That's why they aren't as easily satisfied. Hence our "whining".

this is what i mean [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Modifié par BLY78NOR, 08 février 2010 - 02:08 .

[Clova]

*facepalm* Now was it really so hard to explain our point in a rational way, and not " PC GAMEX ARE DYIN AND CONSOLES RULEZZ jUST CUZ!!!11!1!" Kind of way?



Also, i believe DA:O was a PC to console port, not vice versa and it sold very very well.. I hope things keep going that way.