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[MoonChildTheUnholy]

JigPig wrote...

pastypus wrote...

I think the review is a little harsh but it has alot of valid points. The game while good NOT great was fun - but highly overrated. And planet scaning has to be the worst idea ever EPIC FAIL!!

For using the phrase "epic fail" you have been deemed, fail.

Sorry but the game is very lacking, the review is not fair as it only states the bad side of the game, but really its time to look beyond the fanboy perpective and realise that indeed this game had everything to be epic but now it became more than epic its an epic fail.

[Lordgleen]

This in one of the worst game I have ever played. In a scall of 1-10 in would give it a -2, but the first game is was a11.6 Also KOTOR was a 9.4, JE 9.0 The only game I have played that was even worst it was ellemental arms, but that is not saying much. I Will not be buying ME3 after playing and betting this game.

[mcharj11]

I don't see why so many people are bashing the game, i've played heaps of rpg's and shooters, i've played every BioWare game except for Shattered Steel and Mass Effect 2 is in my opinion one of the best games you can get. I think it's probably the best merging of shooter with rpg story ever done, i mean past games like Deus Ex were good but they never got the shooting right, ME 2 nails it.

My top 4 BioWare games are Baldur's Gate II, Dragon Age, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect.

Modifié par mcharj11, 08 février 2010 - 10:19 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

My top 4 Bioware games are Baldur's Gate 1, Baldur's Gate 2, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect 1.



Mass Effect 2 is barely above NWN1 and KotOR, just below Jade Empire.

[JigPig]

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

JigPig wrote...

pastypus wrote...

I think the review is a little harsh but it has alot of valid points. The game while good NOT great was fun - but highly overrated. And planet scaning has to be the worst idea ever EPIC FAIL!!

For using the phrase "epic fail" you have been deemed, fail.

Sorry but the game is very lacking, the review is not fair as it only states the bad side of the game, but really its time to look beyond the fanboy perpective and realise that indeed this game had everything to be epic but now it became more than epic its an epic fail.

Look up the definition for fanboy. Please.
Fanboy shall only be used to describe a cult-esque following. However on these forums members have the misconception that simply liking the game makes you and I quote a "bioware fanboy"

[Frotality]

harsh, but true.

i can understand you people who just want to enjoy the game, but critical review is the only way anything is ever improved.

"quit QQing" is hardly as productive.

[Taiko Roshi]

Carmarkcaine wrote...

They are spot on. Me1 I played 3 or times, this game I just dont feel like trying one more time. I dont wanna "mine" all that crap again. If I wanted to waste time with a in game-game I'd build fishing skill up in wow( and dont I might add)

Also there is no sense of freedom in the game and its way to short. Hardly any missions, besides getting the loyalti of you crew members, and it seems more like work than anything else.

It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players. Im sure not sure Im going to buy ME3, atleast I think Ill wait for a month or so until the hype is down and the more serious and mature players are through the game.

Umm I'm a console player and I agree with everything you have just said. So please don't think all console players think this game is great ,some of us think it is very badly done with no content whatsoever. We are waiting for the inevitable over-priced DLC that will no doubt include the other half of the content EA/BW cut from the game....

[tzeraph1]

Sibbwolf wrote...

"Fair"? Hardly. He's comparing it to what he likes, not what the game was designed to be.

The biggest problems against the game are people thinking "My character". Bioware pointed out it's not the player's character, the player merely controls it. Until reviewers realise this, these reviews are anything but fair.

On the other hand, how can you review something but from your own eyes, from what youself like. Thats why I seldom trust reviews, since any rating is from the reviewers eyes. I refuse to think that there's a 100% "what the game was designed to be" out there. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, which of course means that not everyone need to agree. If someone bashes something you like, the most probable reason is that he/she doesnt like what you like. Its not the worst thing in the world, unless it doesnt effect someone personally in a matter that is harmful. In the case of taste, its a matter of opinion, not life and death.

On the other hand, ive been writing a pretty long comment on your comment, so, guess opinions on opinions also are allowed, hence, you are entitled to your opinion (omg, the last statement really set me in a position above averyone else, doesnt it  ).

[tzeraph1]

There is also a thing called "constructive critisism", which, instead of bashing, leans toward refining the good things and pointing out the bads, describing what can be improved. I didnt read the review in all honesty, so I dont know how the author did his review.

[Jaysonie]

http://www.gamefaqs....iew/944907.html



you know there are 30 other user reviews, this is the only one singled out however because its the most critical.

[Gorn Kregore]

i feel bad if you guys are dependent on reviews

[JrayM16]

The review read like it was written by a five year old.

[Soruyao]

I'm sorry, but someone needs to say this: "Lol gamefaqs."

[elemental150]

yeah except that I don't agree with anything the reviewer said and that doesn't make my beliefs of on the game any less valid....see there is something us educated people understand that for some reason the general masses don't...in reality there are multiple truths...



I don't doubt what the reviewer says is very true for him, however, If it was a review written by me it would look very different

[Gorn Kregore]

Soruyao wrote...

I'm sorry, but someone needs to say this: "Lol gamefaqs."

gamefaqs was named by a sarcastic monkey

[MajorTharmas]

some nerd thinks his stupid review on gamefaqs has merit how cute

too bad hes not a professional just some chaffed asscheecks ruffling in the wind

[finnithe]

I do agree with some of his points, such as his complaint that the side quests were bland. Though Bioware succeeded in making them more interesting, they still fail to achieve the quality of some of Fallout 3's side quests, such as Oasis. I did find that there were a lot of mercs in ME2, the Blue Suns and Eclipse especially, but this is done by pretty much every game out there; it's not like ME1's geth, creepers, husks, rachni and mercs were all that different. I did like the introduction of the Collectors actually, though I want their transformation detailed a bit more. I don't see that happening without Harbinger starting another monologue.

[Tom Adama]

I think everyone needs to notice something, this game has disappointed alot of Mass effect fans. It's not like only 1 or 2 topics giving negative reviews were posted, ALOT of topics are of people voicing their "disenchantment" with the direction the franchise has taken.

If alot of people were disappointed, maybe the game wasn't as good as you think. Almost everyone agrees that ME1 was a superior game despite its shortcomings, so why argue the latter? It's not like trolls posted on the boards, these are legitimate Mass effect fans who have been following this franchise since 2007.

I am one of them. The game was not even as good as the first one. Yes it is an opinion, but I am a gamer who absorbed himself in the codex's, sidequests and 10 full replays of the first game.

I played Mass effect 2 once and I can't even pick the game up for another round. Mass effect 1 kept me occupied for just under 2 years before I grew bored.

I just think its childish that the "fanboys/girls" are resorting to name calling regarding a fans complaint. It's legitimate because us fans are the reason ME2 was even created, and we do have a say in what we do and dont like.

I especially get peeved when I read from posters that this game is better than ME1 when they havent even played the first game. Those people should keep their mouths shut or go out and buy and play the first one so you can have the right to contribute to these debates.

Modifié par Tom Adama, 09 février 2010 - 12:02 .

[Lui77]

 i agree with one review and that was the end boss, i was very dissapointed, but i wont let that ruin what was otherwise an absolutely fantastic game and im hoping it will only get better with lots of DLC on the way

[MajorTharmas]

um dude... like a maximum of 1,000 negative opinions have been expressed on this site/others...

it shipped 2 million copies, there are not "a lot" of negative opinions. this is a statistical fallacy that is participatory bias, people that feel strongly negatively participate much more than those who feel strongly positively. also you are wrong when you say a majority of people claim the first was better than the second... this forum is a pathetic sample size and really no facts can be determined from this site

Modifié par MajorTharmas, 09 février 2010 - 12:11 .

[droid_orat]

Carmarkcaine wrote...

They are spot on. Me1 I played 3 or times, this game I just dont feel like trying one more time. I dont wanna "mine" all that crap again. If I wanted to waste time with a in game-game I'd build fishing skill up in wow( and dont I might add)

Also there is no sense of freedom in the game and its way to short. Hardly any missions, besides getting the loyalti of you crew members, and it seems more like work than anything else.

It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players. Im sure not sure Im going to buy ME3, atleast I think Ill wait for a month or so until the hype is down and the more serious and mature players are through the game.

cant agree more - those are exactly my thoughts!!!

[Soruyao]

Tom Adama wrote...

I think everyone needs to notice something, this game has disappointed alot of Mass effect fans. It's not like only 1 or 2 topics giving negative reviews were posted, ALOT of topics are of people voicing their "disenchantment" with the direction the franchise has taken.

If alot of people were disappointed, maybe the game wasn't as good as you think. Almost everyone agrees that ME1 was a superior game despite its shortcomings, so why argue the latter? It's not like trolls posted on the boards, these are legitimate Mass effect fans who have been following this franchise since 2007.

I am one of them. The game was not even as good as the first one. Yes it is an opinion, but I am a gamer who absorbed himself in the codex's, sidequests and 10 full replays of the first game.

I played Mass effect 2 once and I can't even pick the game up for another round. Mass effect 1 kept me occupied for just under 2 years before I grew bored.

I just think its childish that the "fanboys/girls" are resorting to name calling regarding a fans complaint. It's legitimate because us fans are the reason ME2 was even created, and we do have a say in what we do and dont like.

I especially get peeved when I read from posters that this game is better than ME1 when they havent even played the first game. Those people should keep their mouths shut or go out and buy and play the first one so you can have the right to contribute to these debates.

As you say there is a possibility that the number of angry ME1 fans could indicate that ME2 is a worse game, and the major reviewers simply don't understand what makes a good game.

But I propose a counter-possibility to you:  Is it possible at all that ME1 actually had a number of flaws, but that certain players came to love the flaws because they were so absorbed in the story and the lore?   To these people, any changes that make the game objectively better from a game design perspective would make them like the game worse.

Therefore, major reviewers of the game who are trained to look past their biases and look at a game objectively from a game design perspective will say that the game is better than the first one, but people who liked the first game enough to play it ten times would dislike any changes because they like the things in the first game that would be flaws for many other people.

Just a thought.

[Toastysoul]

dj1917 wrote...

The problem is that a lot of people were expecting an RPG and didn't get one, whatever excuses may be made by the Bioware-can-do-no-wrong crowd and their mob-like behaviour when attacking dissenters from their viewpoint on this board. There are very limited choices for the RPG fan on consoles and we quite reasonably expected ME2 to be a great addition to that extremely limited genre. What we got instead was a very good, but not brilliant, quite linear shooter with a few RPG elements. It is perfectly fair for people who played and enjoyed the first game, an RPG, to expect that it's sequel would be the same sort of game. And don't tell me to play Dragon age, kiddies, I did that. You may be able to tell from the avatar. I'd like a new RPG now, please.
Edit - I should add that I thought ME1 was far from perfect , so don't attack me on the basis that you imagine I want to drive the Mako around identical planets, or loved the lifts (though they were still better than loading screens and end-of-level summaries)

Agreed.
Take a look at some of the reviews on Metacritc. The game got a 94, but if you
dig into some of the reviews you find that the more positive reviews favor the
change to TPS, while just glossing over the loss of RPG. I suppose if someone
is more into Halo than say FO3, you like ME2 better. I for one preferred the
RPG first, TPS second approach.

http://www.gamervisi...ass_effect_2_pc

Both reviews have the ring of truth, and yet focus on two sides of the same
aspects of the game. The combat was in some regards more exciting, but also
frustrating. WTH would armor prevent biotic powers from working? The cover system was nice, but predictable
after enough battles. I quickly learned that a big fight was coming up
just
because there were rows of crates ahead. How convenient. That's forcing
the cover system to balance the combat, and it was sloppy. The RPG story
elements were somewhat strong in character development, but lacking in main
story arc. It was an exciting conclusion none the less. If they could have
included more story-arc missions along the way of building your team it would
have been better. Completely shunning RPG aspects like the inventory system was
not necessary to enhance the combat. That in itself is an example of over-simplfying the game. The long load times in elevators in ME1 were silly, but were just replaced with equally long load times with a load screen. That's not really a fix, it's a substitute. The load times didn't bother me in either case, but I understand the argument.

Resource grinding does not an RPG make. It would have been made much more fun if there there more "Anamoly detected" missons (should be almost one in each system), and have the ability to either trade resources, or sell them outright to fund purchasing upgrades rather than just spend 50k plat for this lvl 3 upgrade, but lvl 5 upgrade is only 7500. <_<

The email followups I haven't yet heard mentioned, but were for the most part a very, very nice touch in my opinion, especially the ME1 followups. The spam emails were humerous the first time, and just as aggravating as IRL spam every time after. The prothean ruin one in particular was stupid. It was like a side scene from family guy where the joke was carried way past funny into enough already I'm about to change the channel.

Modifié par Toastysoul, 09 février 2010 - 12:11 .

[Nautica773]

Lordgleen wrote...

This in one of the worst game I have ever played. In a scall of 1-10 in would give it a -2, but the first game is was a11.6 Also KOTOR was a 9.4, JE 9.0

Ohoho, I see what you did there.

[The Demonologist]

The End boss was an eyeroller.



The game could use some improvements here and there.



This review falls just as hard as the ultra positive 'flawless' ones for losing whatever good points they have in a morass of dislike.