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[hex23]

I don't get the logic of pointing to one negative review. I mean, if we're pointing out reviews one could just as easily point to any of the 50+ reviews listed on Gamerankings.com that give "ME2" an average score of 95%.



Let me guess, those reviews don't count. It's funny how people pick and choose what matters.

[spernus]

hex23 wrote...

I don't get the logic of pointing to one negative review. I mean, if we're pointing out reviews one could just as easily point to any of the 50+ reviews listed on Gamerankings.com that give "ME2" an average score of 95%.

Let me guess, those reviews don't count. It's funny how people pick and choose what matters.

It's human nature.

Having a different opinion from the majority can evoke feeling of frustration (it's even worse when it come to politic opinions or social issues).It can push someone to desperation,going to great length to convince everyone else that he's right.

Let's just take the case of The dark knight,which has plenty of haters despite the universal praise from critics and fanboys alike (I myself happen to find the movie greatly overrated).Some of those who hate or think TDK is overrated are viscious trolls,ready to search every nook and cranny of the internet to find negative reviews or someone who's articulate and willing to bash the flick and troll movie forums.

[BossHroth]

Mendelevosa wrote...

I bet that the game originally was supposed to be much longer than it is now. I think all the so-called "DLC" that Bioware is releasing between now and ME3's release is actually original content of the game that was cut out so that Bioware would force us to pay for the Cerberus Network in order to get the complete experience of ME2. I noticed that Zaeed seems to interact with a lot of things and characters as if he was originally in the game, which makes me think that we will see a larger variety of main missions in the near future.

I could not agree more. This also aggravates me more then a litle bit. You could end up spending 100 dollars on just one game.

[The Black Ghost]

There is some truth in it...especially about the main plot (enemies) specifically, like the end boss...



But I think he was way too harsh.

[eyekantspell]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Oh hey, one review trumps all other reviews - this is news to me! Oh wait, no it doesn't. *sarcasm* My opinion of this article and the original post is: so what? That reviewer whose article was linked didn't like it. He's entitled to his opinion, but he's just one guy and most reviews have been positive. Even four-star movies can get middling or poor reviews, and any review is based on subjective opinions and personal beliefs/views that a reviewer holds. So hey, congratulations on finding someone who didn't like the game much. The title of the thread alone clearly indicates that the OP didn't like the game and is attempting to make his/her little point (trolling likely too  ) *shrug*

I like/dislike the game. It's all the easy to see they created it to draw in a different audience(more revenue). The people who don't care about what they are playing and just want to kill something. (gears of war) 

My roommate is a prime example. He owns gears of war 2 and I watched him play it, throughout the entire game I would ask him question as to why thats happening and he couldn't really explain to well due to the lack of story content. He watched me play ME2 and aside from the battles which he said looked fun. He thinks the game would be to confusing. It's clear EA just wants money and doesn't really care about what they put into a game as long as the sales are up there. And merging with a company like BioWare who has a rep in the role playing genre is slowly going to destroy their passion. It's just easy to see how well the all mighty dollar is destroying everything that made the original Mass Effect so entertaining. 

[MPaBkaTa123]

Won't these topics ever just freaking die? All of them play out in exactly the same manor anyway.
Someone comes along saying that ME2 sucks and/or is not an RPG. A few people come a long telling him he is wrong with somewhat flawed arguments. Then just when the topic is about to die a troll (kind of like what i am doing now) comes along and says that ME2 is horrible usually with bad spelling. People rally under the troll the people who argued with the OP now start yelling at the troll, who leaves and then the same argument of RPG-ness is repeated ad nauseum.

Modifié par MPaBkaTa123, 09 février 2010 - 07:30 .

[VanDraegon]

Another opinion we are supposed to take as fact, eh?

[eyekantspell]

http://www.ea.com/vi...0001065140aRCRD

[NeoGuardian86]

AudioEpics wrote...

People may think of the game whatever they want, but posting an average to bad review of the game in a new thread and calling it "the truth hurts" is kind of ridiculous. It's basically saying: "all you people who like the game are deluded, we, the wise council of dissenters, the small band of resistance, we of superior taste and intelligence have the class to realize it is actually bad instead of good. Hahaaa, take that, you foolish majority!"
And you know what, maybe the game is bad to you, and you were probably looking forward to it and were disappointed. I'm sorry for your disappointment. But I love the game, and so do millions of other people. So what do you expect? That everyone's going to change their minds after that review? That they'll say "oh no, we were wrong the whole time, we shouldn't have been enjoying it!"
Unlikely. Just let it be. We all have different tastes.

pretty much this.

it's so annoying to se people say thing they think are self-acknowledging truth.
A truth that everyone should agree.

so what do we have here?
one overall negative review?
really?


it's the same sort of nonsense i see on Gamespot when people say things like "can't we all agree that X game pisses on anything on the PS3/360/PC/Wii/etc?"

As if there is a last say so in this 'debate'.

Dante's Inferno is getting markedly lower scores than expected. why? the game loses it's creativity near the end of the game. that's a "truth Hurts" moment for Visceral Games....

whatever...
Whatever makes someone sleep better at night, knowing that her or she is right...

[TuringPoint]

I think they were genuinely trying to make it a better game. I'm perfectly clear in that logic.

[TuringPoint]

eyekantspell wrote...

http://www.ea.com/vi...0001065140aRCRD

Yeah, if it were a REAL RPG, no one would be able to say anything philosophical about it.

What?

[FlintlockJazz]

eyekantspell wrote...

I like/dislike the game. It's all the easy to see they created it to draw in a different audience(more revenue). The people who don't care about what they are playing and just want to kill something. (gears of war) 

My roommate is a prime example. He owns gears of war 2 and I watched him play it, throughout the entire game I would ask him question as to why thats happening and he couldn't really explain to well due to the lack of story content. He watched me play ME2 and aside from the battles which he said looked fun. He thinks the game would be to confusing. It's clear EA just wants money and doesn't really care about what they put into a game as long as the sales are up there. And merging with a company like BioWare who has a rep in the role playing genre is slowly going to destroy their passion. It's just easy to see how well the all mighty dollar is destroying everything that made the original Mass Effect so entertaining. 

Despite what people say, ME2 is not aimed at the GoW/MW2 crowd.  I know people like you describe, and ME2 would fail to deliver what they want, the game doesn't even start the way they would want it to.  It is geared up for roleplayers, just not the phat loot, stat monger types.  Unless he could jump straight into it and start firing guns my brother-in-law would not be interested, and ME2 doesn't even involve combat for at least half the game.

[Gatt9]

hex23 wrote...

I don't get the logic of pointing to one negative review. I mean, if we're pointing out reviews one could just as easily point to any of the 50+ reviews listed on Gamerankings.com that give "ME2" an average score of 95%.

Let me guess, those reviews don't count. It's funny how people pick and choose what matters.

You should probably google "Gamespot + controversy",  it's an enlightening journey.

I can sum up what the end result of it is: 

Professional game review sites require advertising dollars from game companies to exist and profit.  They also require traffic for those ads to generate dollars,  which requires previews and before-release reviews. 

Game companies like positive reviews and high scores.

Reviewers like paychecks.

Game companies dislike bad reviews and low scores,  and dislike sites who give it to them,  and hence don't feel generous enough to grant previews and early-review copies.

So,  in order to stay afloat,  game companies need previews and early-reviews to maintain traffic,  and game companies advertising dollars to stay afloat,  and so need to please game companies.

It doesn't much to make the connection that it's no longer in review sites best interests to tell you the truth.

Personally,  I think the Government needs to take a look at what's going on and invoke another "Payola" law...

[MarauderESP]

uhmm, a rewiewer that wasn`t buy by ea.....

[Carmarkcaine]

MajorTharmas wrote...

um dude... like a maximum of 1,000 negative opinions have been expressed on this site/others...

it shipped 2 million copies, there are not "a lot" of negative opinions. this is a statistical fallacy that is participatory bias, people that feel strongly negatively participate much more than those who feel strongly positively. also you are wrong when you say a majority of people claim the first was better than the second... this forum is a pathetic sample size and really no facts can be determined from this site

MAYBE thats because people that bought ME2 asumed ME2 would be just as good as ME1. MAYBE thats why it sold so well, did ya think of that?

Modifié par Carmarkcaine, 09 février 2010 - 05:03 .

[Carmarkcaine]

MajorTharmas wrote...

droid_orat wrote...

Carmarkcaine wrote...

They are spot on. Me1 I played 3 or times, this game I just dont feel like trying one more time. I dont wanna "mine" all that crap again. If I wanted to waste time with a in game-game I'd build fishing skill up in wow( and dont I might add)

Also there is no sense of freedom in the game and its way to short. Hardly any missions, besides getting the loyalti of you crew members, and it seems more like work than anything else.

It feels like it was made more for consols and that type of players and not the more mature PC players. Im sure not sure Im going to buy ME3, atleast I think Ill wait for a month or so until the hype is down and the more serious and mature players are through the game.

cant agree more - those are exactly my thoughts!!!

there is the same amount of freedom... both games are very linear.the quests where you are getting the loyalty of your crew members are fantastic and a lot more powerful than the paltry side quests in the first... quality over quantity. the first games quests were WAY more a chore with their repetetive nature which you cant deny because literally the locations were exactly the same with different box placements.

and how dare you think you are more mature because you play on a computer. what the hell is the difference?

Im starting to doubt you even played ME1. I think its because I feel that getting the loyality of my crew members feels more like work. I did them all and I counldt wait to get started with the main quest. That the main quest didnt last for more than a couple of hours after that I had no idea of knowing and had I known I proberly wouldnt have rushed through loyalti quest so fast, but I didnt.

I dare think so, because I asume that if you play FPS on consols, you are not very old and the only reason you play on consol is because you are used to it. If you were you would play it as it was meant to be played on a PC with a keyboard and a mouse, that just imo tho. Besides, the way you all get fired up,  when I say I dont think you are very old, makes me belive you arent very old.

[Taimae]

When it comes to a game like this, some people will love the game, some will hate it, and some will be in the middle. There's not going to be one 'right' answer.

[peterflam]

eyekantspell wrote...

Someone summed it up.
 


www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/review/R139238.html

i actually agree on most points.

the only thing improved from me1 to me2 was the performance imo. the rest are either the same or a step back. the new armor system is especially revolting.

[MoonChildTheUnholy]

peterflam wrote...

eyekantspell wrote...

Someone summed it up.
 


www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/review/R139238.html

i actually agree on most points.

the only thing improved from me1 to me2 was the performance imo. the rest are either the same or a step back. the new armor system is especially revolting.

Exactly! and why the hell did they remove squad armor too? epic fail.

[Mister Mage]

I think the idea that ALL the high-profile reviews are bought off by EA is somewhat ridiculous. Granted, I rarely trust main review sites simply because they're part of the mainstream gaming problem and their tastes are generally horrible, but that doesn't mean they're bought off.

[AlanC9]

If players didn't find the high-profile reviews useful, those sites wouldn't stay high-profile for long. Unless the argument is that gamers are too stupid to know their own tastes.

[MPaBkaTa123]

Mister Mage don't waste your breath neither side of this debate does anything but repeating the same thing over and over again. The people who like it talk about sidequests and characters , the people who don't like it quote the RPG Bible. Frankly both games are great and these topics should just be abandoned as nothing constructive comes of them.

[newcomplex]

I agree with literally every single flaw he mentions, and it would be awesome if bioware addressed them in ME3but seriously, who the **** plays bioware games for gameplay?   Do you?   Is the core merit of a bioware RPG its gameplay?    

The review completely ignores the core component, the actual role playing enviroment of the game, which was fairly well done.    Which happens to be the core reason bioware RPG are worth playing since baldurs gate.   

The worst part of this thread is that the OP decided to turn legitimate points onto a irrelevent factor in which to give himself a platform to stand on for his own naive agenda, inciting retarded nerds and fanboys alike into some feeding frenzy.    

Modifié par newcomplex, 09 février 2010 - 09:09 .

[averbalin]

Wow that really did hurt.  What was I thinking actually forming an opinion based on my own experience.  Damnit if only I had read this review prior to playing through the game twice!  Now what am I supposed to do?

[orpheus333]

Reviewer seems to think Unreal 3 Engine is a Role-Playing engine. Reviewer needs to start doing some research before writing things that people will see.