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[Looy]

At the start, something like this happens:

"Why did the mechs attack us?"
"Wilson betrayed us."
"Okay."

No one mentions it ever again.

Did I miss something? It's never actually explained why Wilson betrayed us.

[Cutlass Jack]

Wilson was set up. He didn't betray anyone. There is no evidence whatsoever pointing at him. Only Miranda's word after he's too dead to object.

[Shadow015]

Looy wrote...

At the start, something like this happens:

"Why did the mechs attack us?"
"Wilson betrayed us."
"Okay."

No one mentions it ever again.

Did I miss something? It's never actually explained why Wilson betrayed us.

Presumably, someone (the Shadow Broker, perhaps?  We already know he/she/it/they worked with the Collectors before) paid him a lot of credits.  It's never really important after that, as Wilson is dead.

[Shadow015]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Wilson was set up. He didn't betray anyone. There is no evidence whatsoever pointing at him. Only Miranda's word after he's too dead to object.

While the 'no evidence' part is true, what reason does Miranda have to try and kill Shepard?  Not to mention everyone else?

Modifié par Shadow015, 08 février 2010 - 01:15 .

[gutty47]

Mercs obviously did it.... because they seemingly are the cause of almost every problem in ME2 that doesn't directly involve the Collectors.

[Vaenier]

Remember that N7 mission about the VI virus that makes them go crazy and attack friendlies? I win.

[CRISIS1717]

Shepards corpse is wanted by the Collectors. Whoever handed his body over would get a huge reward.

[stillnotking]

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No data.

[Moblowdown]

He was on shrooms and thought Shepard, Jacob and Miranda were giant Carrots.

[Wintermist]

I think it was someone from the outside, because if it HAD been Wilson, how could he possibly fail? He's got direct access to Shepard.

[Cutlass Jack]

Shadow015 wrote...

While the 'no evidence' part is true, what reason does Miranda have to try and kill Shepard?  Not to mention everyone else?

She wasn't trying to kill Shepard. If you couldn't fight your way past those mechs, there was no way you'd be able to handle what they really needed you for. It was a test designed to keep you moving and less likely to ask questions. Killing everyone else gets rid of anyone who could tell you what Cerberus really did to your body in the last 2 years. Particularly Wilson.

If Wilson wanted you dead he could have done it very easilly over the last two years. No one had more access to you over that time period and you were helpless for most of it.

There are repeated points of ME2 where they mention how Cerberus 'cleans up' old projects. Jack's loyalty quest for example.

[BigKahuna25]

well there is an audio log with him complaining about how much is spent on the project and how little he gets paid but who DOESNT complain about not being paid enough. i guess you could also say the 'hey wilson how bout you not give us routes that lead into enemy squads' thing jacob says but like wilson says theyre all over. not enough evidence is right.

[BigKahuna25]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Shadow015 wrote...

While the 'no evidence' part is true, what reason does Miranda have to try and kill Shepard?  Not to mention everyone else?

She wasn't trying to kill Shepard. If you couldn't fight your way past those mechs, there was no way you'd be able to handle what they really needed you for. It was a test designed to keep you moving and less likely to ask questions. Killing everyone else gets rid of anyone who could tell you what Cerberus really did to your body in the last 2 years. Particularly Wilson.

If Wilson wanted you dead he could have done it very easilly over the last two years. No one had more access to you over that time period and you were helpless for most of it.

There are repeated points of ME2 where they mention how Cerberus 'cleans up' old projects. Jack's loyalty quest for example.

now THAT makes sense!

[Cutlass Jack]

BigKahuna25 wrote...

well there is an audio log with him complaining about how much is spent on the project and how little he gets paid but who DOESNT complain about not being paid enough. i guess you could also say the 'hey wilson how bout you not give us routes that lead into enemy squads' thing jacob says but like wilson says theyre all over. not enough evidence is right.

But there's also another log where he says he's surprised Miranda doesn't seem happier they succeeded. It sounded like he was proud of the team's work.

[tmp7704]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Wilson was set up. He didn't betray anyone. There is no evidence whatsoever pointing at him. Only Miranda's word after he's too dead to object.

He's clearly startled to find out Miranda is alive (a reasonable reaction if say, he shot her as part of the betrayal or otherwise arranged her death) and he's left alive by the security drones which otherwise kill anyone in sight. He claims they shot him but it's a conveniently light wound which is rather suspicious.

[gutty47]

The test scenario sounds plausible. Wilson could've programmed the mechs and also sent them after Miranda probably due to her icequeen status (probably a hard taskmaster to work under). This theoretically explains everything...

[Cutlass Jack]

Hey I'm just saying there's probably a reason Miranda was an 'ice queen' who never got emotionally attached to her project staff and who (according to Wilson's Logs) seemed unhappy they succeeded.



Just the way I'd act if I knew what was coming next. Also her lines about everyone being expendable doesn't help any. Nor the fact she had some blood on her uniform. She wasn't injured and Mechs don't bleed...

[BigKahuna25]

well, either way, RIP spike. at least until you pick up grunt.

[FlintlockJazz]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Shadow015 wrote...

While the 'no evidence' part is true, what reason does Miranda have to try and kill Shepard?  Not to mention everyone else?

She wasn't trying to kill Shepard. If you couldn't fight your way past those mechs, there was no way you'd be able to handle what they really needed you for. It was a test designed to keep you moving and less likely to ask questions. Killing everyone else gets rid of anyone who could tell you what Cerberus really did to your body in the last 2 years. Particularly Wilson.

If Wilson wanted you dead he could have done it very easilly over the last two years. No one had more access to you over that time period and you were helpless for most of it.

There are repeated points of ME2 where they mention how Cerberus 'cleans up' old projects. Jack's loyalty quest for example.

This.  Only the useful people conveniently survive, Miranda killing of Wilson makes sense then as a "You're not meant to have lived this far!" type thing as well.  I do wonder if one of EDI's hidden functions is also a 'We killed the reapers so time to clean house' kill-all program too, maybe by detonating the suicide pills hidden in Cerberus employees' molars?

[tmp7704]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Nor the fact she had some blood on her uniform. She wasn't injured and Mechs don't bleed...

Wilson's reaction to seeing her would imply she was actually supposed to be injured, or actually worse.

Pretty simple scenario would be -- Wilson is unhappy with his payment. Having access to station security he decides to turn the security drones on the staff, and peddle still unconscious Shepard to the Collectors. His plan goes wrong when Miranda survives the attack and pre-emptively wakes up Shepard. The end.

That's why you're alive btw. Wilson's intention wouldn't be to kill Shepard, but everyone else who stood between him and your unconscious body.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 février 2010 - 01:41 .

[BHRamsay]

gutty47 wrote...

Mercs obviously did it.... because they seemingly are the cause of almost every problem in ME2 that doesn't directly involve the Collectors.

that does seem popular --- right behind slavers

[Vagula]

He didn't expect Shepard to be awake so I think he intented to kill everyone and steal Shepards body and sell it to someone (Shadow Broker, collectors or maybe someone else).

[BigKahuna25]

was the blood on her uniform before she shot wilson point blank? because that would do it

[Riot Inducer]

FlintlockJazz wrote...
This.  Only the useful people conveniently survive, Miranda killing of Wilson makes sense then as a "You're not meant to have lived this far!" type thing as well.  I do wonder if one of EDI's hidden functions is also a 'We killed the reapers so time to clean house' kill-all program too, maybe by detonating the suicide pills hidden in Cerberus employees' molars?

That's a rather scary thought, and EDI even said she may have hidden subroutines she's not aware of that might be activated by some event or imput... 

[tangofish]

I thought he just went a bit funny because Miranda totally chose to revive a desicated corpse for a boyfriend rather than go out with him.