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[dynas2001]

she is being hunted down to be murdered for existing. From talking to her, it's clear she wants to be loved and accepted. Maybe sheperd can survive the meld.



has anyone romanced her successfully??

[Archereon]

Metagamming is the only reason to pick Mornith, seeing as it lets you be the one who gets to "ASSUME CONTROL" over the collectors.

[Gabey5]

dynas2001 wrote...

she is being hunted down to be murdered for existing. From talking to her, it's clear she wants to be loved and accepted. Maybe sheperd can survive the meld.

has anyone romanced her successfully??

no its insta- death

[Sleepicub09]

dominate thats the only reason honestly

[dynas2001]

oops i just found it on youtube. Apparently she kills your ass. I guess sheperd isn't special hehe

[Gill Kaiser]

Gabey5 wrote...

dynas2001 wrote...

she is being hunted down to be murdered for existing. From talking to her, it's clear she wants to be loved and accepted. Maybe sheperd can survive the meld.

has anyone romanced her successfully??

no its insta- death

It's Darwin Award material.

[Arrtis]

Because even though she is a killer so is garrus/thane/grunt well grunt is kinda new...

And so on.CHoose her over samara?Well...samara still had children enough times to make 3 of them...you think after the first one she would think...maybe this isnt a good idea.

I say let samaras choices kill her...Besides there could be some very great advantages to having that kind of person under your command*you dont have to screw her and my guy was immune to her brainwashing*

Samaras nice and all but her code can really turn on you.Since after the mission shes not bound to you anymore and if she disapproves of you shes gone.

MOrinth could leave also but face it shes veyr interested in you and what your doing big chance of her staying around.

[Saberdark]

My reasoning was more along the lines of Samara's loyalty lasts until the mission is complete, then she goes back to being a crazy justice serving person who may or may not attempt to kill me even though I am not an Asari and don't have to follow their code. Whereas Morinth is loyal to me either because she's obsessed with you or for some other unknown reason. I figure she's going to be sticking around much longer, which increases her usefulness to me. And if she ever tries to leave, I'd just have to kill her anyway.



Also I picked her the first time by accident and just decided to roll with it. And I play a Paragon.

[fogofeternity]

All she needs to do is seduce Harbinger, and you're good.

[cronshaw8]

Everyone on the squad has killed someone, but only Morinth seems remorseless about killing. Even jack opens up a little and you can get her to not kill Aresh in her loyalty mission. Jack is a faux-sociopath. Morinth is a real sociopath. She would give Shepard the illusion of control, all the while waiting for the moment she can "assimilate" him. I think the romance option w/her is pretty strong evidence of this. She has been doing this for 400 years, there is no way she actually believes Shepard will survive the melding, more importantly she doesn't care.

[Arrtis]

Umm she kills people through suduction if your immune to it and can say no she has biotic powers.Your gonna be awake for that fight.

Also what stops thane from slitting your throat?

Or grunt from Killing you?

THEY ARE LOYAL

thats right.

but even if samara is loyal if you go against her code she will turn on you.

[Treason1]

I haven't chosen Morinth in any of my games, so far. I usually play paragon, so my Shepards have no difficulties with her and her code. Her daughter, on the other hand, despite what she may tell you, has been hunting and killing people for 400 years. Not as an assassin. Not for hire or "nothing personal, just business" but because she likes getting into people's minds, manipulating them and then killing them when they're the most devoted to her.



I'll choose the over zealous cop over the psychotic black widow any day.

[Arrtis]

the zealous cop can get in way look at her recruitment mission.

Code no matter what.Even if it means destroying and killing every person in a police station.

[cronshaw8]

It is impossible to argue having Morinth in the group is a good idea. She kills Shepard when given the chance. It is possible, however, to argue Shepard could make a mistake and choose Morinth, through overconfidence, or even pity. I think a more realistic scenario would have been for Shepard to be forced to choose Morinth over Samara in some cases. But i'm sure that would have raised high hell.

[Taura-Tierno]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...



I have the same problem recruiting Jack. None of my sheps (even my Renegon sheps) would EVER recruit her. The only way I can do it is by meta-gaming. She's not as crazy as she looks, but at the moment of recruitment my shep does not know that. This is the main reason I can't stand Jack. You really don't have the option to not take her (you have to go out of your way and get pretty creative to avoid it which also involves lots of meta-gaming.) I'm just pleased they gave me the option to turn Morinth down.



In short, no, I don't see an in-game reason for taking Morinth unless your shep is just a really mean/powerful sort who successfully resists her and then wants to keep her as a trophy.

I agree with that,. While I can imagine good reasons for recruiting Jack for certain Shepards (Cerberus thinks she'll be an asset, for one), I can definitely see how certain Shepards would just shoot her on spot. Or at least do it later, after she threatens to blow a hole through the hull.



But, back to Morinth: I don't see how she can be compared to the others who have killed. Most on the crew are actually "good" people, and none of them (Jack being a minor exception) is a psychopathic sex/murder-addict. Even Thane who was an assassin is definitely someone you could trust, or if he had still been an assassin, pay him a lot of money to help you. Whereas the only way Morinth can be intimate with someone is ... by killing them, which is something she's done for a long, long time.

My reasoning was more along the lines of Samara's loyalty lasts until the mission is complete, then she goes back to being a crazy justice serving person who may or may not attempt to kill me even though I am not an Asari and don't have to follow their code. Whereas Morinth is loyal to me either because she's obsessed with you or for some other unknown reason. I figure she's going to be sticking around much longer, which increases her usefulness to me. And if she ever tries to leave, I'd just have to kill her anyway.

But you could just as easily just kill Morinth later. And seeing as the mission should be sort of important, having a loyal teammate for that seems kind of important. There's no way Shepard can know that Morinth won't just try to kill him right after Samara died - or try to escape as soon as possible. For all Shepard knows, Morinth is just being manipulative again.



But I suppose I'll have to do some meta-gaming, just to try it ...

[DarchAngelDavid]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

From my point of view, as the player, I definitely want to choose Morinth in the confrontation between her and Samara, but I cannot come up with any in-game reason to justiy that choice.

On the one hand, you have a very power and loyal Asari Justicar who has sworn to obey your command. On the other hand you have a very powerful and unpredictable sex murderer who clearly cannot be trusted. Why on earth would you make that choice? I cannot come up with anything that doesn't turn my Shepard into a stupid, naive idiot. It would be okay I you could actually play Shepard as being extremely stupid and naive and incompetent, but since you can't, that doesn't feel right.

Can anyone come up with a good in-game reason that will justify choosing Morinth? A reason that a smart Shepard can use.

I think there is a reason to go with Morinth.  If you are a renegade Shepard Samara made it very clear that she might have to deal with you after the mission is done.  While Paragon Shepards have nothing to fear those evil take no prisoners Shepards are in for it after the fight is done.

[Arrtis]

You know what she does and how she does it just dont get suddenly dumb.

Short term morinth will stick with you and wont cause problems as she wont try to meld with you until after the mission

You can have an unloyal samara but cant have an unloyal morinth

Short term shes acting as her mother and she wont mess with your crew.

Long term she knows if she causes problems for you she dead.She didnt survive those 400 years so she could challenge your power and die.

She like jack but more interested in killing you.At least you know exactly how shes gonna do it.Your commander shepard you fACE life threatening situations twice a day.One asari that can only kill you one way isnt a big deal unless you stop using your head to think.

[MBirkhofer]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Because even though she is a killer so is garrus/thane/grunt well grunt is kinda new...
And so on.CHoose her over samara?Well...samara still had children enough times to make 3 of them...you think after the first one she would think...maybe this isnt a good idea.
I say let samaras choices kill her...Besides there could be some very great advantages to having that kind of person under your command*you dont have to screw her and my guy was immune to her brainwashing*
Samaras nice and all but her code can really turn on you.Since after the mission shes not bound to you anymore and if she disapproves of you shes gone.
MOrinth could leave also but face it shes veyr interested in you and what your doing big chance of her staying around.

I don't think you fully understood what Morinth is.  She is essentially a succubus that has been draining the life out of people for 400 years through manipulation and deception.  That has been her sole purpose and trade for the past 400 YEARS.  Her only interest in you is killing you.

Samara might not be under your lead after the mission, and might try to kill you for 'injustice' but she isn't the kind of person that would slit your throat while you slept.

The Grunt comparison is valid.  He lives to fight/kill.  its his sole purpose.  He expressely states he will follow you as long as you provide challenges.  And at the end, says once we have won, that leaves only us as the strongest.   Basically stating, he will turn on you and try to kill you after the fight is over.  (Although also states he would do it face to face.)

[GenericPlayer2]

You don't to be a renegade only to pick her, works with high paragon rating. All you have to do is limit yourself to the blue/red responses and you will get a choice as to which one you take with you. If you select the "Yes, Morinth" grey response then you get no choice. Hope that clears that up.

[Cat Fancy]

Treason1 wrote...

I haven't chosen Morinth in any of my games, so far. I usually play paragon, so my Shepards have no difficulties with her and her code. Her daughter, on the other hand, despite what she may tell you, has been hunting and killing people for 400 years. Not as an assassin. Not for hire or "nothing personal, just business" but because she likes getting into people's minds, manipulating them and then killing them when they're the most devoted to her.

I'll choose the over zealous cop over the psychotic black widow any day.

Honestly, "because souls are delicious and I find it sexually thrilling to eat them" is a way better excuse than just killing people for hire. You couldn't have just been a claims adjuster or something, Zaeed?

But there really is no good reason to get her aside from metagaming. You should at least unlock her once so you can use the skill- you don't have to continue with her.

[Revya]

dfjdejulio wrote...

Can anyone come up with a good in-game reason that will justify choosing Morinth? A reason that a smart Shepard can use.

What about actually believing Morinth?  Believing that she represents the genetic destiny of the Asari, their future development?  All you have to do is believe Morinth a little bit and disbelieve Samara a little bit and you can pull it off.  (The player knows Samara is "good" and Morinth is "evil", but that doesn't mean the character has to.)

You mean a genetic dead end because that is what she is.

Modifié par Revya, 08 février 2010 - 04:31 .

[Taritu]

dfjdejulio wrote...

Can anyone come up with a good in-game reason that will justify choosing Morinth? A reason that a smart Shepard can use.

What about actually believing Morinth?  Believing that she represents the genetic destiny of the Asari, their future development?  All you have to do is believe Morinth a little bit and disbelieve Samara a little bit and you can pull it off.  (The player knows Samara is "good" and Morinth is "evil", but that doesn't mean the character has to.)

Ummm, she's a serial killer, and you just talked to the mother of her last victim.

Unless you're seriously twisted, I can't see picking Morinth.  Over her lifespan she's probably killed hundreds at the last, maybe thousands.  She's sick, twisted, and won't stop.  Hell, she was about to kill you, if she could.

Much as I'd like to get dominate, I don't think I'll ever choose her on any of my runs.  Completely breaks immersion—even my Renegade Shep doesn't truck with serial killers.