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[Arrtis]

jack is a serial killer and may still be a serial killer even if yoju paragon her.Is she really gonna suddenly stop being unstable and violent?

Do not see why not bring morinth either let her die because of how she is made or give her purpose.

[solitude00]

I honestly just picked her for the metagaming heck of it. Strangely enough, she's supposed to be proficient in submachine guns and pistols ... but in my current game she ends up using Samara's skills - which includes the assault rifle. Interesting bug (the selection screen shows Morinth but the weapon loadoout screens show "Samara.")

Modifié par solitude00, 08 février 2010 - 05:39 .

[Taritu]

Arrtis wrote...

jack is a serial killer and may still be a serial killer even if yoju paragon her.Is she really gonna suddenly stop being unstable and violent?
Do not see why not bring morinth either let her die because of how she is made or give her purpose.

Jack isn't a serial killer, she's a mass murderer.  And I wouldn't bring her if it was my choice (you have to recruit her to continue the game).  Morinth, otoh, is my choice.

[Taura-Tierno]

My semi-reason for now choosing Morinth: Shepard grew up on earth, ran with gangs, had a bad childhood, was a criminal and probably "misunderstood", so she takes pity on Morinth, and considers Samara too set in her beliefs.



Not a very good reason, and definitely not a choive my Shepard would make for real ... but at least it's something. Don't know if I'll stick with her, or just reload and take Samara's side, though.

[The Governator]

Sharn01 wrote...

There isn't one.

Yeah, Morinth is pretty much an evil canine.  Nothign redeeming about her character at all. 

[Popcorn Avenger]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

dominate thats the only reason honestly

Other reasons - valid ones - have been posted, but I'd have to say, she's worth it for Domination. Super ownage of not only every collector you come across, but Harbringer also, since while he get's busy downing his buddy's, you can easily kill him.

I had to sacrifce more than one squadmate - in order to get the Renegade score I needed to have the option to recruit her, I had to surrender Legion to Cerebus. Think that was a raw deal, but, still, Mornith was worth it.

For my Renegade, anyway. I still prefer to play Paragons, and prefer to have Samara and Legion. Morinth was a nice change of pace.

[coinop25]

I was actually a little concerned that Samara might turn on my Renegade Shepard in ME3 (SPOILER: she did try to kill Nihilus, after all) ... but even given this, I couldn't bring myself to recruit a serial killing psychic rapist with a character whom I still see as a "good guy who doesn't play by the rules."



I'll recruit her with the "bad guy" playthrough, then, and consider setting her up to die in the suicide mission. :-D

[Arrtis]

She says maybe you wont die at the start.All because you do the impossible...Again she may be actively trying to kill you but in a single way that is easy to avoid.

Also depending on if you let her feed on others she can easily become your most powerful biotic companion.

[Saberdark]

The thing about Morinth though is that she would never meld with you without consent. It's part of her game. Other than that, she doesn't want to see you dead at all. So it's not like she's out to kill you in any manner. Just the one, which you can avoid.

[Mak89]

No reason to choose Morinth whatsoever. What I'm wondering is if your paragon does Samara say something different instead of, "Ya know if circumstances were different I might just have to murder you."

[Arrtis]

Well she pretty much says if you do anything against her code after the mission is up she will kill you.

[Schneidend]

Samara could try to kill me, but she'd have about as much luck as anybody else does in attempting to kill me. So, I keep her around. She's not a risk to the mission until after it's over.

[cronshaw8]

So some people here actually believe that a being who has been murdering people for 400 years through deception is telling shepard the truth when she claims "he is different," that he won't be killed by the melding process.

come on now

She lies to shepard so she can murder him. She lies to everyone. No one would be with her if they knew they were going to die. Well no one that wasn't suicidal.

[mundus66]

If your Shepard is evil and Samara survives she will obviously come after you when her service is done. Morinth isn't a threat to you unless you sleep with her, so it makes perfect sense imo (from an evil point of view anyway).

[Arrtis]

Even if she doesnt have a chance at killing you she will force herself to if it goes against the code.Morinth is a constant threat but so small and easy to avoid.She is very likley to follow you also regardless of what you do.

[Schneidend]

mundus66 wrote...

If your Shepard is evil and Samara survives she will obviously come after you when her service is done. Morinth isn't a threat to you unless you sleep with her, so it makes perfect sense imo (from an evil point of view anyway).

Well, Shepard can't really be "evil." You're a "good guy" no matter what decisions you make. The real choice is between hero and anti-hero. Basically, you choose between being Batman or Spawn.

[Shepard Lives]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

From my point of view, as the player, I definitely want to choose Morinth in the confrontation between her and Samara, but I cannot come up with any in-game reason to justiy that choice.

On the one hand, you have a very power and loyal Asari Justicar who has sworn to obey your command. On the other hand you have a very powerful and unpredictable sex murderer who clearly cannot be trusted. Why on earth would you make that choice? I cannot come up with anything that doesn't turn my Shepard into a stupid, naive idiot. It would be okay I you could actually play Shepard as being extremely stupid and naive and incompetent, but since you can't, that doesn't feel right.

Can anyone come up with a good in-game reason that will justify choosing Morinth? A reason that a smart Shepard can use.

I posted the exact same thread days ago

I was told that "a Renegade Shepard is told by Samara that she is going to kill the Commander when the mission is over for acting against the Justicar code, so I guess a ReneShep would choose Morinth to ensure his/her own survival"...

But Morinth is a homicide addict... who can actually end up literally f**king the Commander's brains out. Shepard would have to be dumb as a post to bite the bucket in such a shameful way... but hey, there's people like that out there. No offense to anyone who wanted to try something different than normal sex...

Plus think about it. All ReneShep cares about is the mission. What would endanger the mission more than swapping a skilled vigilante for a psycho killer? (A Paragon would refuse to get Morinth for obvious reasons). IMO keeping Samara is always the best and most logical choice... unless you or your Shepard actually hold a personal grudge against her (FemShep anyone? "Sorry Samara, but your rack is bigger than mine. I cannot tolerate that." ).
Unless you're playing Psychotic Shepard... which is a rather appealing possibility.

[Arrtis]

Well morinth is gonna be acting like her mother while she around so quite possibly with morinth you get a samara copy except she wont kill you for a code.

[Speakeasy13]

You don't have to be renegade to choose Morinth. In fact you can choose to kill Samara as full paragon and it will have no effect on your paragon/renegade spectrum.



Here's a thought for all the paragon Sheps who want to keep Morinth: Samara is a cold-blooded killer just as Morinth is. She has no more love or compassion than Morinth does. She would kill her own daughter without hesitation, and shows no remorse for the killing she's done thus far in her life, while apparently not all of her killings were justified.



Morinth, on the other hand, probably has more humanity left in her than Samara does. Her killing is the only way she knows to express love, and she appears to truly care for her victims. She does not kill indiscriminately like Samara does. And she stays by Shep not because of some code, but because she truly sees the importance of his mission (and of course a fascination with Shepard).

[Taura-Tierno]

mundus66 wrote...

If your Shepard is evil and Samara survives she will obviously come after you when her service is done. Morinth isn't a threat to you unless you sleep with her, so it makes perfect sense imo (from an evil point of view anyway).

And what's to say that once the Collectors are gone, Morinth will just leave? Or try to kill Shepard? Hell, she might just find a way to escape anytime if she believes that Shepard will, after the mission, put a stop to her nasty habits. And if she's not a threat, then Samara is not a threat, since they're equally strong, so you cannot say that Morinth is less of a threat than Samara. At least with Samara you will know that she'll try to kill. You'll know, and be able to prepare.

Once Morinth realizes that Shepard won't sleep with her, she'll probably leave, is my guess. Leave, or try force herself on him. Why stay around if there's no chance of getting lucky with Shepard?

[Taura-Tierno]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

You don't have to be renegade to choose Morinth. In fact you can choose to kill Samara as full paragon and it will have no effect on your paragon/renegade spectrum.

Here's a thought for all the paragon Sheps who want to keep Morinth: Samara is a cold-blooded killer just as Morinth is. She has no more love or compassion than Morinth does. She would kill her own daughter without hesitation, and shows no remorse for the killing she's done thus far in her life, while apparently not all of her killings were justified.

Morinth, on the other hand, probably has more humanity left in her than Samara does. Her killing is the only way she knows to express love, and she appears to truly care for her victims. She does not kill indiscriminately like Samara does. And she stays by Shep not because of some code, but because she truly sees the importance of his mission (and of course a fascination with Shepard).

Samara only kills criminals. She's justice incarnate, according to the Asari, anyway. Even if Morinth kills to "express love", she murders innocents without regret.

Samara can justify her actions. Morinth can't.

[NICKjnp]

doesn't she try to seduce you in the end?

[Arrtis]

samara justifies being detained by police and killing them as against the code...not that great of a justification there...the cops stopped me so i killed them....

[Taura-Tierno]

Arrtis wrote...

samara justifies being detained by police and killing them as against the code...not that great of a justification there...the cops stopped me so i killed them....

But the cop recognized Samara's right to do so. She just didn't like being on the getting killed-end of it.


I thought up a reason for why my next Shepard will choose Samara: Cerberus restoration was flawed, and Shepard is a bit unhinged, mentally. So Shepard'll make erratic decisions, not be really good or bad, make the craziest choices possible. That might justify choosing Samara