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[Arrtis]

The cop was asari and they respect them if it were human or turian they wouldnt.

[Gocad]

Speakeasy13 wrote...
Here's a thought for all the paragon Sheps who want to keep Morinth: Samara is a cold-blooded killer just as Morinth is. She has no more love or compassion than Morinth does. She would kill her own daughter without hesitation, and shows no remorse for the killing she's done thus far in her life, while apparently not all of her killings were justified.

Morinth, on the other hand, probably has more humanity left in her than Samara does. Her killing is the only way she knows to express love, and she appears to truly care for her victims. She does not kill indiscriminately like Samara does. And she stays by Shep not because of some code, but because she truly sees the importance of his mission (and of course a fascination with Shepard).

Morinth doesn't care for her victims, that's quite evident when you hear her talking about the previous owner of that statue in her apartment.
Samara on the other hand is without a doubt ruthless when it comes to her code, but I would say it's quite evident that she does feel regret about having killed Morinth, nor does she kill indiscriminately.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

My Female Renegade FemShep just didn't want to have anything to do with Samara, hence she never recruited her, after doing the recruitment and loyalty missions with one of my Paragons, I was then thinking similar to the OP in that I could see one of my Renegades wanting to recruit Morinth but how do I go about recruiting Samara. Well I kinda have the idea, because I've based him on Jack Bauer gone bad kinda character. So he'll be all ok for recruiting some crazy justice type, but due to him gaining a major dislike for xenos and following rules, Samara comes out with that line bout killing him ensures her death warrant when it comes to Morinth. Then he'll do his best to ensure the crazy psycho asari never makes it back from the suicide mission. End result both mother and daughter dead.



'umanity to claim it's dominance!

[thehistorysage]

Jack doesn't kill sculptors to get a narcotic high. She does what she was brain-washed into doing from before she reached an age where she had a choice or knew right from wrong. Morinth had a choice to live a long happy life sequestered safely away, or run around the galaxy and enjoy zombie snacks. She chose poorly.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

Modifié par thehistorysage, 08 février 2010 - 07:17 .

[Speakeasy13]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

mundus66 wrote...

If your Shepard is evil and Samara survives she will obviously come after you when her service is done. Morinth isn't a threat to you unless you sleep with her, so it makes perfect sense imo (from an evil point of view anyway).

And what's to say that once the Collectors are gone, Morinth will just leave? Or try to kill Shepard? Hell, she might just find a way to escape anytime if she believes that Shepard will, after the mission, put a stop to her nasty habits. And if she's not a threat, then Samara is not a threat, since they're equally strong, so you cannot say that Morinth is less of a threat than Samara. At least with Samara you will know that she'll try to kill. You'll know, and be able to prepare.

Once Morinth realizes that Shepard won't sleep with her, she'll probably leave, is my guess. Leave, or try force herself on him. Why stay around if there's no chance of getting lucky with Shepard?

Well then maybe you should get Morinth for once and talk to her. Because you obviously know little to nothing about her. You don't know what she's doing, let alone why she does the things she does.

Shepard will SURELY know if Morinth is trying to kill her, because to Morinth, killing is an act of LOVE. She'd announce herself and try to mate with Shepard. She would not attack from the back as you suggested. In fact, you couldn't even sleep with her if you tried, until the mission is complete. She knows the universe needs to be saved and she obviously wants to save it, probably more so than Samara ever did.

Not all criminals deserve to die. Justicars just kill whoever they see fit. A cop trying to do her job like Officer Anaya? Samara would kill her within a heartbeat. The only thing that matters to Samara is a code. At least Morinth has a heart and follows it.

[Speakeasy13]

thehistorysage wrote...

Jack doesn't kill sculptors to get a narcotic high. She does what she was brain-washed into doing from before she reached an age where had a choice or knew right from wrong. Morinth had a choice to live a long happy life sequestered safely away, or run around the galaxy and enjoy zombie snacks. She chose poorly.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

I like both Jack and Morinth. I'd like Jack even more if only she had some hair on her head. But here's a thought: Jack spits on the corpses of her victims, then laugh at how weak they are. Morinth shows remorse and respect. Hell, she shows LOVE for her victims. Were she not an Ardat Yakshi she would've lived with any of her victims happily ever after. Well, by Asari standards anyway.

Both Jack and Morinth had their right for normalcy taken away from them. And they both reacted the ONLY way they know how.

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Well
then maybe you should get Morinth for once and talk to her. Because you
obviously know little to nothing about ...snip... matters to Samara is
a code. At least Morinth has a heart and follows it.

Morinth
deserves to die, absolutely.  She's been killing for 400 years, each
kill giving ecstasy and increasing her strength and intelligence. 
Talking to her is useless, because she is a master of manipulation and
deception.

Samara isn't all that great either, though the asari think very highly of the justicars. 

Manipulation maybe, but deception? Name one known cases where Morinth ACTUALLY lied.

Modifié par Speakeasy13, 08 février 2010 - 07:19 .

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

perhaps you are smitten by her

[Arrtis]

A smart killer that gets stronger with more kills....sounds like a useful ally to me.

[Arrtis]

well she tells you would die.then trys to encourage you your big strong and different.

[Barquiel]

Arrtis wrote...

A smart killer that gets stronger with more kills....sounds like a useful ally to me.

Morinth should be really strong after she killed Shepard.

I'd like to play as Morinth in ME3

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Nadia73 wrote...

this is how I like my Morinth...

hawt

[thehistorysage]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

thehistorysage wrote...

Jack doesn't kill sculptors to get a narcotic high. She does what she was brain-washed into doing from before she reached an age where had a choice or knew right from wrong. Morinth had a choice to live a long happy life sequestered safely away, or run around the galaxy and enjoy zombie snacks. She chose poorly.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

I like both Jack and Morinth. I'd like Jack even more if only she had some hair on her head. But here's a thought: Jack spits on the corpses of her victims, then laugh at how weak they are. Morinth shows remorse and respect. Hell, she shows LOVE for her victims. Were she not an Ardat Yakshi she would've lived with any of her victims happily ever after. Well, by Asari standards anyway.

Both Jack and Morinth had their right for normalcy taken away from them. And they both reacted the ONLY way they know how.

I understand what you're saying, I just disagree. Children can be indoctrinated to do anything. They grow up believing in that indoctrination and they carry it with them in adulthood through no fault of their own unless someone takes the time and interest to show them right from wrong. This was Jack's situation.

Morinth had reached the age of puberty when she decided to go on killing sprees for a thrill. She knew the consequences of her actions before she committed her crimes. They were premeditated. Jack's were simply an instinct she learned from repetitive beatings. Both have tragic beginings, both were robbed of a normal life, yet one did not choose their lifestyle, (Jack), and one did, (Morinth). That's a HUGE difference to me. The difference between First and Second Degree murder is THAT very thing.

I agree with the hair, maybe if Shep sweetly romanced her she'll grow it out in ME3?

[Speakeasy13]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Manipulation maybe, but deception? Name one known cases where Morinth ACTUALLY lied.

Every single case where she had sex with her partners without letting them know that they would, you know, DIE?

That would be like somebody with AIDS going around and sleeping with anybody that they "loved" and giving them AIDS, and then saying that they did it because they "loved" them so much.

****ing garbage

Oh, and manipulation and deception go hand in hand.  Either way, it's fraudulent.

It's called "don't ask, don't tell". It's how PR and government propanganda works no? Like when they're recruiting soldiers they ain't gonna tell you they're sending you to a s**thole and you might ended up traumatized for life?

Oh and she tells Shepard he "maybe" won't die before having sex. Shepard was the one who decided to take the risk. I'm not saying it's not Morinth's fault, but hey.

[1Parmenides]

Samara won't kill shepard over any wrong deed. She would only kill Shepard, if Shepard made her do something really bad. I think she left room for these options:

1)Shepard can do morally wrong things

2)Shepard can make Samara do morally questionable things.



Only thing she'd kill for is if Shepard made Samara do really bad things. That's my take.

[NoUserNameHere]

Because Renegade choices have been seriously lacking in the Chaotic Stupid department.



When faced with the choice between two heartless murderers, I'll pick the one thats not the sex vampire.

[Speakeasy13]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Manipulation maybe, but deception? Name one known cases where Morinth ACTUALLY lied.

Every single case where she had sex with her partners without letting them know that they would, you know, DIE?

That would be like somebody with AIDS going around and sleeping with anybody that they "loved" and giving them AIDS, and then saying that they did it because they "loved" them so much.

****ing garbage

Oh, and manipulation and deception go hand in hand.  Either way, it's fraudulent.

It's called "don't ask, don't tell". It's how PR and government propanganda works no? Like when they're recruiting soldiers they ain't gonna tell you they're sending you to a s**thole and you might ended up traumatized for life?

Oh and she tells Shepard he "maybe" won't die before having sex. Shepard was the one who decided to take the risk. I'm not saying it's not Morinth's fault, but hey.

Gocad wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...
Here's a
thought for all the paragon Sheps who want to keep Morinth: Samara is a
cold-blooded killer just as Morinth is. She has no more love or
compassion than Morinth does. She would kill her own daughter without
hesitation, and shows no remorse for the killing she's done thus far in
her life, while apparently not all of her killings were justified.

Morinth,
on the other hand, probably has more humanity left in her than Samara
does. Her killing is the only way she knows to express love, and she
appears to truly care for her victims. She does not kill
indiscriminately like Samara does. And she stays by Shep not because of
some code, but because she truly sees the importance of his mission
(and of course a fascination with Shepard).

Morinth
doesn't care for her victims, that's quite evident when you hear her
talking about the previous owner of that statue in her apartment.
Samara
on the other hand is without a doubt ruthless when it comes to her
code, but I would say it's quite evident that she does feel regret
about having killed Morinth, nor does she kill indiscriminately.

That was an exception. She admits she didn't even think he was a worthy victim. Morinth talks about Nef in such a beautiful manner, it's hard to think there's not a connection. I guess that's when I started to like Morinth (I initially just wanted to see what conversations I'd be able to have with her). She feels lonely, and remorseful, not because she killed them, but because she cannot be with her victims like a normal Asari does. To her giving her victims the ultimate pressure is the best thing she can do for them.

Well I do realized that is sick and twisted. But at least that means we're looking at a person with a heart. And that means maybe Morinth is redeemable, just as Jack. I really want to see what will happen to either woman in ME3. (Bioware, btw, PLS LET JACK GROW SOME HAIR!)

Samara on the other, is too far gone to ever turn back. She reminds me of Macbeth. She's killed so many and am so self-justified you can't get her to change. Even if she feels some remorse, she is so deep in a sea of blood now, turning back and going deeper wouldn't make a difference.

[1jp2nv]

maybe I'm over analyzing this but, It would seem to that Shepard and Morinth could have as much connectionless physical sex as they wanted. It's the melding she uses to kill her victims.



Having said that i chose Samara for two reasons,



1, I'm more of a paragon player so her threat to maybe kill me later is meaning less.

2, She's a MILF!

[Arrtis]

never said she didnt manipulate * i believe*

she throws in a bunch of maybes as you kinda are a special case.*who else comes back to life after 2 years being dead and walk around 2 years later crashing on a planet*

End choice lies with you.Your given all the info.Your the one playing the lotto.If you lose its because you bought a ticket...your just not gonna win it.

[Sentox6]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

It's called "don't ask, don't tell". It's how PR and government propanganda works no? Like when they're recruiting soldiers they ain't gonna tell you they're sending you to a s**thole and you might ended up traumatized for life?

You should try that one out in court. "But your honour, they didn't ask if I was going to kill them. What's the problem?"

Also, what's up with the "maybe she's redeemable" people? So what if she's remorseful. That doesn't bring her victims back. What about, you know, justice?

Modifié par Sentox6, 08 février 2010 - 07:38 .

[defenestrated]

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Here's a thought for all the paragon Sheps who want to keep Morinth: Samara is a cold-blooded killer just as Morinth is. She has no more love or compassion than Morinth does. She would kill her own daughter without hesitation, and shows no remorse for the killing she's done thus far in her life, while apparently not all of her killings were justified.

Morinth, on the other hand, probably has more humanity left in her than Samara does. Her killing is the only way she knows to express love, and she appears to truly care for her victims. She does not kill indiscriminately like Samara does. And she stays by Shep not because of some code, but because she truly sees the importance of his mission (and of course a fascination with Shepard).

You're forgetting about that village that Morinth enthralled to worship her and then used as cannon fodder against her mother. That isn't love.

Edited because "canon fodder" and "cannon fodder" are different things.

Modifié par defenestrated, 08 février 2010 - 07:38 .