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[Arrtis]

sounds like she needed protection.the problem
 with knowing someone is good at being manipulative is then everything they say you think is part of some big plan to manipulate you.

Modifié par Arrtis, 08 février 2010 - 07:42 .

[Speakeasy13]

thehistorysage wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

thehistorysage wrote...

Jack doesn't kill sculptors to get a narcotic high. She does what she was brain-washed into doing from before she reached an age where had a choice or knew right from wrong. Morinth had a choice to live a long happy life sequestered safely away, or run around the galaxy and enjoy zombie snacks. She chose poorly.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two.

I like both Jack and Morinth. I'd like Jack even more if only she had some hair on her head. But here's a thought: Jack spits on the corpses of her victims, then laugh at how weak they are. Morinth shows remorse and respect. Hell, she shows LOVE for her victims. Were she not an Ardat Yakshi she would've lived with any of her victims happily ever after. Well, by Asari standards anyway.

Both Jack and Morinth had their right for normalcy taken away from them. And they both reacted the ONLY way they know how.

I understand what you're saying, I just disagree. Children can be indoctrinated to do anything. They grow up believing in that indoctrination and they carry it with them in adulthood through no fault of their own unless someone takes the time and interest to show them right from wrong. This was Jack's situation.

Morinth had reached the age of puberty when she decided to go on killing sprees for a thrill. She knew the consequences of her actions before she committed her crimes. They were premeditated. Jack's were simply an instinct she learned from repetitive beatings. Both have tragic beginings, both were robbed of a normal life, yet one did not choose their lifestyle, (Jack), and one did, (Morinth). That's a HUGE difference to me. The difference between First and Second Degree murder is THAT very thing.

I agree with the hair, maybe if Shep sweetly romanced her she'll grow it out in ME3?

I think you really hit a spot there. Morinth grew up in a cold and unforgiving environment. Her only chance of connecting with anyone and salvation for herself was her mother. Who taught her NOTHING about love and the value of human life. Morinth did not know the sadness of death, because she was convinced her own mother does not love her enough to weep for her shall she died (which was true); she did not know the importance of human life because her own mother was a ruthless killer to begin with. In fact, most of Morinth's thrill-seeking behaviours points at a deep desire for self-destruction. And self-destructive tendencies start out with a lack of self-importance: she does not have a place in the universe, so the only way she knows to experience life is by death.

Maybe that's how Jack and Morinth are different. Jack does whatever she has to do to SURVIVE; Morinth really just wants to die. I doubt Jack joining a gang and a cult, or murdering her friends were not her own choice, but either way, these women are as much victims as predators.

had she seen the way Diana weeped for Nef, or if Samara were an ordinary woman raising Morinth like a normal child, maybe she wouldn't turn out the way she is now.

[Arrtis]

no ones saying what she does is ok*i think* and the good paragon always thinks people are redeemable.

[Sentox6]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

But, but, she LOVED all of them!

She killed them with LOVE! It's OK, she's redeemable, she isn't a heartless succubus that doesn't think twice about killing her victims, no matter how damaging it is to their families, friends, etc.

It's OK for somebody with AIDS to go around and give other people AIDS, as long as they were never asked.

Does the apparent fact that we live in a world where some people seem to think these things scare you as much as it does me?

[Arrtis]

Lets say when your 14 your told die or be a hermit....if you were smart you picked run.Make your own life.She started out in a very bad position.Also samaraa should have stopped having kids after the first 2.

[Speakeasy13]

defenestrated wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...

Here's a thought for all the paragon Sheps who want to keep Morinth: Samara is a cold-blooded killer just as Morinth is. She has no more love or compassion than Morinth does. She would kill her own daughter without hesitation, and shows no remorse for the killing she's done thus far in her life, while apparently not all of her killings were justified.

Morinth, on the other hand, probably has more humanity left in her than Samara does. Her killing is the only way she knows to express love, and she appears to truly care for her victims. She does not kill indiscriminately like Samara does. And she stays by Shep not because of some code, but because she truly sees the importance of his mission (and of course a fascination with Shepard).

You're forgetting about that village that Morinth enthralled to worship her and then used as cannon fodder against her mother. That isn't love.

Edited because "canon fodder" and "cannon fodder" are different things.

LoL at the cannon fodder comment.

Well I wonder about the village too. It seems very out of character from all the other stuff Morinth has done. My guess is A) it's from told Samara's viewpoint, and we all know a Justicar sees things rarely out of objectiveness but their code, so I'm not sure it's entirely accurate; Maybe Morinth was younger, and experimenting with ways of "expressing" herself (ugh huh). Remember when you were a teenager you want to experiment with drugs, alchol and sex? I sure did. Of course her experiments were a more... ugh... high stake. It would seem though that such behaviors were in past. Back then her actions were driven by anger towards her mother, but now she seems to be more driven by loneliness. I'm trying to find an appropriate expression... ugh I guess she "matured" as a serial killer?

[Arrtis]

They are both wrong.

They both have their advantages i just see more with morinth after you know not to meld with her.

[Speakeasy13]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Speakeasy13 wrote...
 she did not know the importance of human life because her own mother was a ruthless killer to begin with.

Except, you know, Samara didn't become a justicar until Morinth decided to go on her 400 year murder spree.

In case you forgot, justicar abstain from pleasures (which includes having children).  She had Morinth, she decided to run off on her spree, and Samara became a justicar with the main goal of catching Morinth.

She was a mercenary, and did her duties "with precision and force, but no love". Granted, Morinth might have been angry and remember her parental days selectively, but if your children couldn't feel your love, then the mother would've been considered a failure no?

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue about here - no one has said what Morinth did was okay. It's a matter of whether having her in your team is justifiable. If you think she's horrific and should burn in hell it's your puragative, but why must others follow your choice as well? If some of us chooses to see what's left of the goodness in her, why is that a problem to you?

[Arrtis]

Ahem

jack should die also

Same with garrus*he has killed many at omega without jsut cause*sniping*

And Probably Grunt

And Thane

And Tali for her merciless killings of geth

And probably more

They arent there because they are good people.

[Shepard Lives]

Arrtis wrote...

Ahem
jack should die also
Same with garrus*he has killed many at omega without jsut cause*sniping*
And Probably Grunt
And Thane
And Tali for her merciless killings of geth
And probably more
They arent there because they are good people.

None of the individuals you have listed can be compared to Morinth.

Jack has never killed for pleasure (at least from what we've been told). Only to "ensure her own survival".
Garrus too killed all those people (and many more) in self-defense. One could at best argue that his idea of justice (building a team of specialists to kill criminals) is flawed, although I for one agree with it.
Grunt only kills in battle, which can be classified as self-defense.
Thane... well, Thane kills for money, so I guess he is to blame in some way. Then again, he does not get any thrills out of it.
Tali too killed all those Geth in self-defense. One could argue that she is racist against the Geth (which is at least partially justified, looking at what she had to endure because of them), but I have never seen her kill a living being for the pleasure of doing it.

[Kudara]

Mak89 wrote...

No reason to choose Morinth whatsoever. What I'm wondering is if your paragon does Samara say something different instead of, "Ya know if circumstances were different I might just have to murder you."

Haha, definately.  If your Paragon she promises that even after her oath to you ends all you will ever have to do is call for her and she will come if at all possible to help you.  She also admits that if she were several hundred years younger you would be more than just friends.

[Arrtis]

Jack admits to kill because she *thinks* there are gonna betray or hurt her.

Garrus stole and killed/assassinated those who are *known* to eb crooks but still it was not self defense.

If Grunt starts the fight its not self defense.

Tali nto really self defense...she believes she gonna get attacked first abd shoot first

*according to wiki if you bring legion to ehr recruit ment mission she fires on legion and legion being on your team probably did have an agressive stance.*

The only reason Morinth takes pleasure in it is because she kills through sex....unless theres a way to do it and not feel pleasure...she also compelled to...but at least she makes it so they ahve to agree to do it...instead of running up melding the person passing by.

[Kudara]

Arrtis wrote...

Lets say when your 14 your told die or be a hermit....if you were smart you picked run.Make your own life.She started out in a very bad position.Also samaraa should have stopped having kids after the first 2.

Samara had three children before the oldest developed the disorder.  She had them before she knew, not after. It only develops at maturity.

[redloz]

I picked her for 2 reasons.



1 My main femshep is renegade, I have two other sheps one total paragon, and another mostly paragon who wouldn't dream of choosing Morinth, so I thought i'd atleast give it a shot once.



2 Again, renegade. Samara would kill her for some of the **** she pulls in the game, I was a bit concerned about loyalty issues and murder attempts. Was so weird watching Morinth act like Samara though, I felt like a total traitor.

[Arrtis]

Kudara wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Lets say when your 14 your told die or be a hermit....if you were smart you picked run.Make your own life.She started out in a very bad position.Also samaraa should have stopped having kids after the first 2.

Samara had three children before the oldest developed the disorder.  She had them before she knew, not after. It only develops at maturity.

sounds liek something that could probably be prevented through science.

[Shepard Lives]

Arrtis wrote...
she makes it so they ahve to agree to do it...instead of running up melding the person passing by.

I'm pretty sure she never told any of her partners that the union would have ended up killing them^_^

[dragonic9100]

Fatal34Frame wrote...

I believe I didn't even have an option to choose Morinth, guess I wasn't renegade enough ;-)

But why would even a renegade Shepard pick her is beyond me (unless he's a moron ofc ). Having a sex murderer psychopath with biotic seduction skills around me wouldn't thrill me at all, renegade or not

when your in her apartment you have to chose all 3 para/renegade options or she starts controlling you. if she controls you samara comes and is like "gtfo" and kills her on the spot. but if you use the para/renegade options you can chose

[General Balls]

onidemon91 wrote...

a super powerful biotic with no moral code who can MELT YOUR BRAIN? now that's even more useful.

But only when she has sex with them. So unless you want to send her around humping all of the Collectors on the battlefield I'd say Samara's the only smart/non-hilarious choice.

[Arrtis]

she can only instant kill through melding so.otherwise sure became as powerful as samara in less amount of time because of her ability she could easily become the strongest if you help her meld with more people.

As a person in need of strong people it can be very useful.