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Maria Caliban wrote...

But if all gay romance threads turn into flame fests, that kinda supports the 'not the friendliest place on earth' assessment.

So does this thread...
Pity Woo doesn't make more of an appearance here with his big Hammer of Righteousness +1.

Wrath of Doom, I originally only asked what right wingers you were referring to because as far as I could see there were none appearing in this thread prior to your statement. Why this derailing (and in forbidden direction, no less)?

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Maria Caliban wrote...

But if all gay romance threads turn into flame fests, that kinda supports the 'not the friendliest place on earth' assessment.


Same sex romance threads were hardly the only ones that faced this sort of moratorium.  Carth fan threads faced a similar moratorium, and I don't really think that means the forums were not the friendliest place on earth for Carth fans.

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LdyShayna wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

But if all gay romance threads turn into flame fests, that kinda supports the 'not the friendliest place on earth' assessment.


Same sex romance threads were hardly the only ones that faced this sort of moratorium.  Carth fan threads faced a similar moratorium, and I don't really think that means the forums were not the friendliest place on earth for Carth fans.



Eh, the Ebon Hawk would probably be preferable to the forums.

Modifié par Godak, 09 février 2010 - 01:29 .


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The bioboards are a freakin' mud pit, for the present and foreseeable future. Some mods are doing well to quell this, but for the most part it's still terrible around here and in the ME forums most of all.

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The adjetives used to describe these boards are more appropriate for 4chan. It´s not that bad, there are far worse rotten pits out there in the interwebs.

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Statulos wrote...
The adjetives used to describe these boards are more appropriate for 4chan. It´s not that bad, there are far worse rotten pits out there in the interwebs.


Oh, because there are worse places, it's ok for this place to be awful? These boards used to be mostly awesome. Now they are mostly awful. That transition is mostly unacceptable.

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Forums come and go and this one will not be an exception. Same thing happened in Paradox´s boards and seems like now the waters have turned back.

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Statulos wrote...

The adjetives used to describe these boards are more appropriate for 4chan. It´s not that bad, there are far worse rotten pits out there in the interwebs.


You mean like 4chan? The one thing that has recently come onto these forums is the kind of attitude a place like that has. I can't say I like it in any way.

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If the_one refeers to this forum as a "freakin' mud pit", my idea of that is 4chan; not Bioware´s boards. Sure this place could be more calmed and civilized; but as I said, every forum comes and goes and seems like now we have the LED screen on "nasty" mode. Everything will be dry and calmed again at some point, so no need to freak out.

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Statulos wrote...

If the_one refeers to this forum as a "freakin' mud pit", my idea of that is 4chan; not Bioware´s boards. Sure this place could be more calmed and civilized; but as I said, every forum comes and goes and seems like now we have the LED screen on "nasty" mode. Everything will be dry and calmed again at some point, so no need to freak out.


The only real negative aspect of these forums (IMO) are the Mass Effect sections (And that's only, what? Fifty percent of the forum?). There is an unbelievable amount of raw hostility.

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You know the Sci/Fi narratives are about the present, not the future; while the medieval-themed stuff tends to follow more on the idea of myth, that is basicaly timeless. That´s why controversy is heavier over there, IMHO.

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Jae Onasi:

I am a professional of a different cut and have similar standards of conduct, yet was unaware of such restrictions upon doctors. I agree with your point, despite being angry for you that you are so restricted.


Child porn is actually mentioned in our state regs and is grounds for automatic license revocation, besides the obvious charges for possession of such.  Adult porn is not mentioned in the regs, but I don't touch it with a 10 foot pole so that there's never any question. I think the vast majority of porn exploits women in particular and increasingly men, too, and I haven't found much in terms of redeeming qualities that outweigh the many ills it contributes to society, so I don't like it anyway.  However, that's another discussion.  Even if porn/highly sexual  media are not mentioned in regs, it's one of those things that would smear my name permanently in a family oriented community.  The legality of something is irrelevent if people are scared to see me because they're worried that I might be a pervert. 

When I game, I just want to game.  I'm happy to have the role-play romance, but if I want nookie, I'll go find my hubby and he'll be more than happy to oblige me.  I don't need it in game, and don't want it in game.

You don't need to feel angry for me.  The Real Deal with hubby is far better than any pictures, games, or videos could be, so I feel I have no restrictions.  :) 

Edit: Aww, too bad Carth threads got put under the moratorium.  He's so cute in his own Carth way. :D

Modifié par Jae Onasi, 09 février 2010 - 05:30 .


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Porn does not kill people; porn does not destroy your health and porn says nothing about you as human being. If someone judges you considering that you watch porn, I would not want to imagine what they´d say if they knew I listen to Death Metal.



Child´s porn is a different deal: it´s not just ilegal, it´s an abomination.

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bzombo wrote...

i read through woo's replies in that thread. man, those guys are way too sensitive. man, where's the balance anymore? why can't people speak honestly and not pc and still be considerate of other people's beliefs/lifestyles? these forums are very friendly to all types, not just gay friendly. we have an international community of gay, straight, asian, black, white, hispanic, etc. people who discuss games, argue, nerd rage and pretty much accept that we're all different. why is it that so many in that thread are so put off by woo's comments? they seemed very clear to me. i think sometimes people just want to be offended. victim mentality or something.


I agree with this.
I'm all for equality and gay rights but that article just took it too far.

Modifié par Andarthiel_Demigod, 09 février 2010 - 06:37 .


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Statulos wrote...

Porn does not kill people; porn does not destroy your health and porn says nothing about you as human being. If someone judges you considering that you watch porn, I would not want to imagine what they´d say if they knew I listen to Death Metal.

Well, I listen to symphonic and goth metal, but that's not quite the same.  Regardless of how you may feel about porn, and we obviously feel differently about it (e.g. porn contributes to the spread of STDs among the workers and behaviors that contribute to STDs, so saying it doesn't destroy health is not correct, and that doesn't even address snuff films), it's still viewed as a negative on someone's resume by a substantial percentage of people.  That's the reality of the community I work with.  LIke it or not, a positive image is important in my profession.  My blue-collar friends can get away with going to the taverns nightly after work.  I can't, because people would start wondering if their doctor was impaired.  No one wants a doctor drinking before taking a piece of metal stuck to the front of the eye out.  No one wants to bring their children to a doctor who they know views porn, even if it's 'just adult porn'.  No one wants to bring themselves or family to someone who's been accused (rightly or wrongly) of taking illicit drugs.  My patients have to trust me and be confident in my judgment, because I can't provide them with excellent care if they don't.  That's just the way it is.  I knew that long before going in to doctor school, so it's not like it's a surprise.  I knew what I was signing up for when I signed my acceptance papers.  My committment to my career far outweighs any desire to view prurient material, nor is porn necessary when I have the finest man in the world sleeping next to me every night.  :)  Hence the reasons why I don't want anything blatantly obscene in my games. I don't need pixel sex.

Statulos wrote....
Child´s porn is a different deal: it´s not just ilegal, it´s an abomination.

Agreed. 

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Jae Onasi wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Porn does not kill people; porn does not destroy your health and porn says nothing about you as human being. If someone judges you considering that you watch porn, I would not want to imagine what they´d say if they knew I listen to Death Metal.

Well, I listen to symphonic and goth metal, but that's not quite the same.  Regardless of how you may feel about porn, and we obviously feel differently about it (e.g. porn contributes to the spread of STDs among the workers and behaviors that contribute to STDs, so saying it doesn't destroy health is not correct, and that doesn't even address snuff films), it's still viewed as a negative on someone's resume by a substantial percentage of people.  That's the reality of the community I work with.  LIke it or not, a positive image is important in my profession.  My blue-collar friends can get away with going to the taverns nightly after work.  I can't, because people would start wondering if their doctor was impaired.  No one wants a doctor drinking before taking a piece of metal stuck to the front of the eye out.  No one wants to bring their children to a doctor who they know views porn, even if it's 'just adult porn'.  No one wants to bring themselves or family to someone who's been accused (rightly or wrongly) of taking illicit drugs.  My patients have to trust me and be confident in my judgment, because I can't provide them with excellent care if they don't.  That's just the way it is.  I knew that long before going in to doctor school, so it's not like it's a surprise.  I knew what I was signing up for when I signed my acceptance papers.  My committment to my career far outweighs any desire to view prurient material, nor is porn necessary when I have the finest man in the world sleeping next to me every night.  :)  Hence the reasons why I don't want anything blatantly obscene in my games. I don't need pixel sex.

Statulos wrote....
Child´s porn is a different deal: it´s not just ilegal, it´s an abomination.

Agreed. 

wowowowowowowow...
you didn't just compare porn to snuff?! :o

also, while I honestly couldn't care less if my (or my hypothetical kids') doctor watches porn or has naughty dating profiles, I realize that many (often hypocritically) do so, so I get your "moral" problem, no matter how ridiculous. I would however have a problem with a drug-user since I'd be worried it affects his work.

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LdyShayna wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
But if all gay romance threads turn into flame fests, that kinda supports the 'not the friendliest place on earth' assessment.

Same sex romance threads were hardly the only ones that faced this sort of moratorium.  Carth fan threads faced a similar moratorium, and I don't really think that means the forums were not the friendliest place on earth for Carth fans.

This kind of thing really isn't that unusual, in my experience.  Discussions involving katanas used to be banned on the WotC forums, and they even went so far as to censor the word katana so that it wouldn't show up.  I realize katanas aren't really comparable to gay romance, but the point is that it's not uncommon for certain topics to be banned (at least temporarily) on a forum because it's impossible for a reasonable, productive discussion to be had about them (well, not without banning something like 75% of the community, which is probably a bad thing...usually.)

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Jae Onasi wrote...

Statulos wrote...

Porn does not kill people; porn does not destroy your health and porn says nothing about you as human being. If someone judges you considering that you watch porn, I would not want to imagine what they´d say if they knew I listen to Death Metal.

Well, I listen to symphonic and goth metal, but that's not quite the same.  Regardless of how you may feel about porn, and we obviously feel differently about it (e.g. porn contributes to the spread of STDs among the workers and behaviors that contribute to STDs, so saying it doesn't destroy health is not correct, and that doesn't even address snuff films), it's still viewed as a negative on someone's resume by a substantial percentage of people.  That's the reality of the community I work with.  LIke it or not, a positive image is important in my profession.  My blue-collar friends can get away with going to the taverns nightly after work.  I can't, because people would start wondering if their doctor was impaired.  No one wants a doctor drinking before taking a piece of metal stuck to the front of the eye out.  No one wants to bring their children to a doctor who they know views porn, even if it's 'just adult porn'.  No one wants to bring themselves or family to someone who's been accused (rightly or wrongly) of taking illicit drugs.  My patients have to trust me and be confident in my judgment, because I can't provide them with excellent care if they don't.  That's just the way it is.  I knew that long before going in to doctor school, so it's not like it's a surprise.  I knew what I was signing up for when I signed my acceptance papers.  My committment to my career far outweighs any desire to view prurient material, nor is porn necessary when I have the finest man in the world sleeping next to me every night.  :)  Hence the reasons why I don't want anything blatantly obscene in my games. I don't need pixel sex.

Statulos wrote....
Child´s porn is a different deal: it´s not just ilegal, it´s an abomination.

Agreed. 


The first part is packed with some of the most judgemental statements I have seen in ages: defining a person and even worse, a professional equating it with his/her tastes is directly disgusting. Regarding your reasons of it being unhealty, I still don´t get it:  I mean, what does syphilis has to do with porn? The same as speed to bacon?

When I need to a doctor I don´t care if he/she likes gore films, drinks absinthe on weekends or reads Thomas Hobbes on a daily basis. All the above and profesionalism are as related as previosly stated speed and bacon.

I also have to admit that the relation between snuff and porn is surprising to say the least. Definetly, many people arround your comunity have a real attitude issue. Good to know you can bear it but still...

On the other hand, the part of porn being or not necessary is irrelevant: it´s a kind of material that is out there, pretty much like any novel; and make use and enjoyement of it. You don´t, fine; you do, fine too.

And no, Goth is tolerable compared to music that adresses topics such as mass murder, molestation, torture and so on. If this is tolerable and not porn, the hypocrisy is even more disgusting.

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wow guys...stop the sabre rattling, we're all friends here. I have a masters in business and yes I'm intelligent and good looking, lol

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Dark Lilith wrote...

wow guys...stop the sabre rattling, we're all friends here. I have a masters in business and yes I'm intelligent and good looking, lol

I'm a friend and I take offense to that.
Who are you and where do you live?

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Lol, everyone hates Games.

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Statulos wrote...


The first part is packed with some of the most judgemental statements I have seen in ages: defining a person and even worse, a professional equating it with his/her tastes is directly disgusting. Regarding your reasons of it being unhealty, I still don´t get it:  I mean, what does syphilis has to do with porn? The same as speed to bacon?

When I need to a doctor I don´t care if he/she likes gore films, drinks absinthe on weekends or reads Thomas Hobbes on a daily basis. All the above and profesionalism are as related as previosly stated speed and bacon.

I also have to admit that the relation between snuff and porn is surprising to say the least. Definetly, many people arround your comunity have a real attitude issue. Good to know you can bear it but still...

On the other hand, the part of porn being or not necessary is irrelevant: it´s a kind of material that is out there, pretty much like any novel; and make use and enjoyement of it. You don´t, fine; you do, fine too.

And no, Goth is tolerable compared to music that adresses topics such as mass murder, molestation, torture and so on. If this is tolerable and not porn, the hypocrisy is even more disgusting.


I totaly agree
Probably one of the most sensible people on this thread.

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Actually comparing this forum to the WoW forums this is a lot friendlier.

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Jae Onasi wrote...
Well, I listen to symphonic and goth metal, but that's not quite the same.  Regardless of how you may feel about porn, and we obviously feel differently about it (e.g. porn contributes to the spread of STDs among the workers and behaviors that contribute to STDs, so saying it doesn't destroy health is not correct,

Most STDs:  Not a major concern.  The most common are chlamydia and gonorrhea, catch them early and treat and they are cured with no long-term effects.  The only one of great concern is HIV, risks of that can be cut greatly with condom use and regular testing.  Condom use should be absolutely required as a matter of public health and occupational safety. 

and that doesn't even address snuff films),

??  Not exactly mainstream pornography!!  If you're going to put the two in the same class I guess we should teach kids in sex ed "to protect your health, always use a condom, and remember not to strangle your girlfriend"! 

it's still viewed as a negative on someone's resume by a substantial percentage of people.  That's the reality of the community I work with.  LIke it or not, a positive image is important in my profession.  My blue-collar friends can get away with going to the taverns nightly after work.  I can't, because people would start wondering if their doctor was impaired.  No one wants a doctor drinking before taking a piece of metal stuck to the front of the eye out.  No one wants to bring their children to a doctor who they know views porn, even if it's 'just adult porn'.  No one wants to bring themselves or family to someone who's been accused (rightly or wrongly) of taking illicit drugs.

Alcohol and drugs impair function.  Viewing pornography doesn't.  My gynecologist is male and I've no doubt that he has watched pornography, but that doesn't mean he can't carry out his job effectively and professionally.  It's not even an issue. 

I understand your caution because PR is important, but that doesn't mean that the opinions of people who would object to a doctor viewing porn are well-grounded.  

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Statulos wrote...
When I need to a doctor I don´t care if he/she likes gore films, drinks absinthe on weekends or reads Thomas Hobbes on a daily basis.

Well, if they think Thomas Kincade is a good artist, I'm afraid I have to draw the line.