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[cashogy]

Don't count on it.

Why?

Because the suicide mission leaves a immense amount of variability to the story. There are 11 squad members for the suicide mission (including Zaeed DLC). There are 66 different combinations of squad members to have live/die through the suicide mission. If you want to include the possible death of Shepard in that, there are 78 possible outcomes.  Unfortunately, Bioware does not have the time or man power to produce a game that is customized to everyone's story.

If Tali died in my story, and she appears in ME3 regardless of the outcome of MY suicide mission, I will be disappointed in the continuity of the story. Even the possibilty of having Shepard die greatly complicates the development process for ME3. If Shepard is dead, who will we play as? If he dies in my game but I am FORCED to continue playing as Shepard in ME3, it seriously breaks coninuity of the story.

With this in mind, it is almost completely out of the question that the squad mates in ME2 will make anything more than brief cameo appearances or small, optional side quests. In all likelihood, we will be playing an entirely new character in ME3, possiblty another Spectre who has been in training while we've been romping around the galaxy in Shepard's shoes.

So, in conclusion, the development process required for including every permutation of surviving squad members is too large if anyone expects this game in the next decade. Id expect LI from ME1(Kaiden/Ashley and Liara) to be included in ME3, but dont be surprised when a major ambush at the beginning of ME3 kills your LI (if you chose to pick a new one in ME2) from ME2, along with the rest of your squadmates. Making a brief cinematic that takes into account all permutations will be a lot easier than making an entire new game with all the permutations covered.

As for the main character, Id say all evidence points to us playing as Conrad Verner in ME3 (kidding, kidding:P)

[Kenthen]

You can't import a save in which Shepard dies. This is common knowledge by now.
As for the squad members, they don't actually have to program 66 different games, it's just a matter of who you bring along. There really isn't that much dialogue in the game for squad mates and people have already made a case that ME3 will focus less on characters and more on bigger events. It is the finale, after all.

In the end we don't know, though, and it would certainly be safer to assume the worst. It'd make no sense at all to have Shepard going around getting a whole bunch of new squad mates in the last game of the trilogy though.

Modifié par Kenthen, 08 février 2010 - 05:06 .

[this isnt my name]

And all of them would leave because...

[Driving Ghost]

God your so negative...

[cronshaw8]

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

Modifié par cronshaw8, 08 février 2010 - 05:07 .

[Valmy]

I predict you will have everybody for ME3...but even if I am wrong I am sure the new characters will be just as much fun.

[Archereon]

I actually support Conrad Verner as a squadmate in ME3 with a character dependent on how you treated him in ME1 and ME2...



Seeing him transition in ME1 from some weird stalker obsessed with Shepard, to some wana be hero or bad ass, then to an actual hero/badass character would be amazing.

[Cutlass Jack]

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.



Just saying.

[cashogy]

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

[AGogley]

good point about Conrad. That would be pretty amazing.



I for one, think new characters in ME3. It's tidier. A couple may stick around, but the various permutations make it likely that ME3 will follow the same format as ME2 in that regard. But I'm always up for being pleasantly surpised.

[Sleepicub09]

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

for the effect of it being a suicide mission duh

[this isnt my name]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

Agreed choices in ME1 had little impact but removing squadmates, is going to far, its not my story if suddenly they were killed off, or had something else to do. Ok if I have the option good, but forceing me to is stupid.

And Conrad cant be effected by ME1 as the glitch cancels it out, so only a ME2 conrad wwill be in ME3.

[gutty47]

A number of characters from ME2 have 'outs' written for them already.

Samara - she will continue her justicar code.

Morinth - its extremely unlikely she'll stick around.

Thane - he iss a dead man.

Jack - unlikely to stick around, not guaranteed.

Mordin - could be reduced to just scientist on ship.

Grunt - could go back to Tuchanka.

and so on...



This reduces the possibilities to more manageable numbers. Plus they don't really have to worry about continuation past ME3.



I'm being optimistic but the pragmatist in me knows the odds...

[cashogy]

Rakia_Time wrote...

Here's what i think will happen - The minimum required squad members for Shepard to survive is 2 (i think) so in ME3 you get them and maybe someone from ME1, the more people survive the suicide mission the more squad members you get in ME3 it's that simple.

The problem with this is that Bioware has to program in scenarios for every possible outcome. That is just too many to make a complete game. As far as I am aware, the time it would take to produce a game with the squad members as you describe would be significant; far longer than anyone wants to wait for ME3.

However, the possibitly of Bioware including all of ME2's squad members that live in ME3 is raised if they were to be squad members only. Meaning they would have very little conversation dialogue, and their character development would be minimal. I dont think anyone wants that

[Melra]

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

Just stop and read the facts. http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1067323p1.html

[cronshaw8]

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

Basiclly BioWare is saying if Shepard dies you ****ed up, so you can't import the save. Galaxy dead, reapers win. Whether or not you or I agree with that is a different story. But you will be Shepard in ME3 whether you like it or not.
There are not plot holes because ME3 does not happen in your universe if Shepard dies. I guess you could think of it as divergent time-lines.
not trying to be a dick here, this is just what they have said in pretty much every interview they have done.

[jason9880]

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

It's a sucide mission, whats wrong with serious consequences if you're not prepared. Shepard is dead, you don't get to carry anything over, that's how your story ends.

Modifié par jason9880, 08 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[cashogy]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

for the effect of it being a suicide mission duh

So after Shepard dies thats it? The Reapers can just come and kill everyone b/c Commander Shepard is the ONLY defense against them? That is a MAJOR plot hole

[gutty47]

cashogy wrote...
So after Shepard dies thats it? The Reapers can just come and kill everyone b/c Commander Shepard is the ONLY defense against them? That is a MAJOR plot hole

Thats how it was in ME1. Without Shepard disabling Sovereign's shields, the reapers would've won. End game.

[FunkyFreshKilla]

Shepard will be in ME 3. Also, I would bet some ME 2 characters will move on and only make cameo appearances or no appearance at all. Other characters, and this is my opinion, will be making cameo appearances or be short time squad characters based on your decisions.



So take Tali for instance. Due to the fact she can die in a users game makes it very difficult to give her a very large role in the game. What they can do is:

1. Make her a cameo

2. Let her be a short time squad mate. For example a mission regarding the Migrant Fleet. She could be an main plot character and optionally join up with you for the mission if she's alive. If not some other npc takes her place and you have to use your new pool of squad mates for the mission.



Option 2 allows for previous players to come back and potentially be use-able, but does not require the development and story paths needed to make her a full blown character. After the mission she leaves the group to continue on in her original role giving you the illusion that she is still around.



All the characters from ME1 and ME2 have this option and I would bet is the path going to be taken.



On another note Liara could be a full squad member due to the fact she can't be killed in ME1 or ME2, but I doubt she would be because of the romance angle. I don't think BioWare would bring her back as a full squad mate as it would be unfair for the Ashley or Kaiden romancers. I think they would want to avoid all the complaining.



Just my 2 cents. Regardless of what they do ME 3 will be awesome!

[Arrtis]

IF tali lives shes going back to help the quarians not a squadmate.

[Melra]

@cashogy

Not it's not. It is a game over. That's it. The review clearly states so, no point arguing against someone who knows the game from heart.

Modifié par Melrache, 08 février 2010 - 05:21 .