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[We Tigers]

LexXxich wrote...

All squadmates who live will have the exact same role in ME3 as ME1 squadmates had in ME2.

I'm with this guy.  Given the massive success of ME2--huge sales, pretty much the best reviewed game to be released in the last year--I don't know why they'd change a thing.  I love my ME2 team, but this is the exact same discussion we had for a year-and-a-half after ME1 was released. 

[KainrycKarr]

Oh for the love of god.

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass
Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What
things would you like to see improved from the end of the development
cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest
thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the
decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and
experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people
liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is
really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass
Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way
people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they
say about them. "

[Awesome Helmet]

do you all think they did enough of importing things from ME1 to ME2? if not, then dont get your hopes up for the 3rd game.

[KainrycKarr]

Awesome Helmet wrote...

do you all think they did enough of importing things from ME1 to ME2? if not, then dont get your hopes up for the 3rd game.

Because they clearly aren't going to try to do more.



http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass
Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What
things would you like to see improved from the end of the development
cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest
thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the
decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and
experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people
liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is
really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass
Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way
people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they
say about them. "

[Barquiel]

Casey Hudson also said that Liara/Ash/Kaidan and Wrex play an important role in the story of ME2 (Liara's hacking quest?)

[KainrycKarr]

Barquiel wrote...

Casey Hudson also said that Liara/Ash/Kaidan and Wrex play an important role in the story of ME2 (Liara's hacking quest?)

To be fair, Liara does, just not the story YOU want.

It's pretty clear. Play and experience.

Granted, I'm more than willing to admit I was wrong, and eat my own words, if I am wrong.

But it's pretty black and white there.

[Barquiel]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Casey Hudson also said that Liara/Ash/Kaidan and Wrex play an important role in the story of ME2 (Liara's hacking quest?)

To be fair, Liara does, just not the story YOU want.

It's pretty clear. Play and experience.

Granted, I'm more than willing to admit I was wrong, and eat my own words, if I am wrong.

But it's pretty black and white there.

Liara is the main character in ME: Redemption...but in ME2? Her side quest is optional...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the
ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew
will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and
recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

[KainrycKarr]

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Casey Hudson also said that Liara/Ash/Kaidan and Wrex play an important role in the story of ME2 (Liara's hacking quest?)

To be fair, Liara does, just not the story YOU want.

It's pretty clear. Play and experience.

Granted, I'm more than willing to admit I was wrong, and eat my own words, if I am wrong.

But it's pretty black and white there.

Liara is the main character in ME: Redemption...but in ME2? Her side quest is optional...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the
ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew
will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and
recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

Well that isn't a lie. They are, obviously, an important of the story. It's pretty clear he means the overall story, not ME2.

And remember, Bioware has, and will, take into consideration fan opinion.

The arguments, threads, and just about everything speak in favor of them bringing back the ME2 squaddies to play and experience for ME3, provided they lived.

and, remember, I will eat my own words and admit to my ignorance, if that is not the case.

[KainrycKarr]

Barquiel wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Casey Hudson also said that Liara/Ash/Kaidan and Wrex play an important role in the story of ME2 (Liara's hacking quest?)

To be fair, Liara does, just not the story YOU want.

It's pretty clear. Play and experience.

Granted, I'm more than willing to admit I was wrong, and eat my own words, if I am wrong.

But it's pretty black and white there.

Liara is the main character in ME: Redemption...but in ME2? Her side quest is optional...

CaseyH-ME2: We actually want to make sure these characters survive the
ME2 story, which ultimately is a suicide mission: some of your crew
will almost certainly die. Some of the ME1 characters are back, and
recruitable (more than you might think), and the ones that aren't still play an important role in the story and will be around for ME3 - which we can't say for the new characters.

Well that isn't a lie. They are, obviously, an important of the story. It's pretty clear he means the overall story, not ME2.

And remember, Bioware has, and will, take into consideration fan opinion.

The arguments, threads, and just about everything speak in favor of them bringing back the ME2 squaddies to play and experience for ME3, provided they lived.

and, remember, I will eat my own words and admit to my ignorance, if that is not the case.

[ranzarok]

I'm sure Bioware and the writers already have this figured out.

If you look at the bare bones of the story, there are really only a couple of things that keep the plot together:

Shepard

Love Interest

Reapers



If you have stayed "faithful" to your ME1 LI or chose none, then ME3 is easy in that regard. If you strayed, then that one is included (if they didn't die in the mission..if they did...simple again).

The Reapers are a constant, so they are easy for ME3.

If you played the game and Shepard died, then game over for you. The story is about Shepard and saving the Galaxy, not about some guy or gal they pulled off some space station that saves the galaxy. I'm not sure who would want to play ME3 if their Shep died...what would be the point? The Reapers won.

As far as the other squad members go....pay attention on how they made Kaiden and Ashley interchangeable in the ME2 story. They could easily do that with all of the squad members in ME3.

They're professionals, I am sure Bioware will do it right.



I

[screwoffreg]

Well the ME 2 characters won't be around...if you got them killed. The ME 1 characters during the sequel, so long as they survived the first game, are surrounded by a plot shield ensuring they transfer over to ME 3.

We have had this discussion many times, but if Bioware's previous history is anything to go by, the core characters from both games will return as your squad with maybe one or two new faces. The finale of a trilogy is all about bringing everything from the first two games together and not so much to introduce radical new concepts or changes.

The question is of course, who qualifies as a core character? This is what the arguments will be about for the next two years.  My guess is at least Shepard (duh), Liara, Garrus, and Ashley/Kaiden.  I feel strongly about Tali, Miranda/Jacob as well, but I think the previous ones I mentioned are fairly safe.

Modifié par screwoffreg, 09 février 2010 - 06:44 .

[Remaix]

I'm unsure what Bioware will do. I'm not a video game developer. What I can say, though, is that it would be amazing if we COULD recruit them again. It would make me feel like my actions during the suicide mission actually mattered, instead of there just being a little extra cameo or, ugh... a message at your terminal.

[KainrycKarr]

Remaix wrote...

I'm unsure what Bioware will do. I'm not a video game developer. What I can say, though, is that it would be amazing if we COULD recruit them again. It would make me feel like my actions during the suicide mission actually mattered, instead of there just being a little extra cameo or, ugh... a message at your terminal.

This is the general fan concensus I'd think, based on posts. People don't want new characters. Period.

and that first sentence, I think, is part of Bioware's marketing campaign I believe.

There is nothing to support there being a whole new crew beyond some of the characters in ME2 *might* be dead.

It's easy enough to rectify.

[We Tigers]

kainryc, you exasperatedly keep quoting one line Casey Hudson said in an interview. We get it, but: marketing speak means nothing. People don't want new characters, but we didn't want them for ME2 either, at least not a year ago. I'm sure Bioware is trying out solutions, but remember that marketing and pre-release speak for any game--Bioware games included--is often fraught with contradictions and suggestions that don't pan out.
I've been through most of the thread but haven't seen your thoughts on this--if, as you state, there's nothing to support a new crew beyond some of the characters being dead, how would you resolve the situation if someone comes out of the suicide mission with only 3 or 4 squadmates alive? Would they just have a smaller party to choose from in ME3, or would you be expecting Bioware to create replacement squadmates for all of them?

Modifié par We Tigers, 10 février 2010 - 05:26 .

[Pauravi]

@OP:

This has been discussed at length several times in a hundred threads. Not only are you wrong that the protagonist might be someone other than Shepard, but the fact is that the number of permutations of characters is not that relevant.

As long as each character's dialogue and plot elements can be added or subtracted from the story without affecting the integrity of the story at large, then one never really has to consider the number of permutations. You simply create each character and all the story elements that go with them (quests, interactions, dialogues), and then they can be added or subtracted as entire packages to tailor for each individual save game. It has been that way for the entirety of ME1 and ME2 anyway, why wouldn't ME3 be the same way?



Simply put, they are going to keep the same characters from ME 1 & 2, maybe with the exception of a few that have reasons to depart (Samara the loner Justicar, for instance), and the possible addition of a couple new characters to fill the holes. To do otherwise would be to render the final decisions of ME2 inconsequential, break the players emotional involvement in the story, necessitate the creation of new and distinct characters instead of building on established characters and stories (more difficult in many ways), and require the creation of an unlikely plot element to explain away why all the loyal crew members you spent all of ME2 recruiting and befriending have suddenly left.

Totally infeasible and a stupid idea, IMO.

[Gibsyfuk]

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

Why?

Because the suicide mission leaves a immense amount of variability to the story. There are 11 squad members for the suicide mission (including Zaeed DLC). There are 66 different combinations of squad members to have live/die through the suicide mission. If you want to include the possible death of Shepard in that, there are 78 possible outcomes.  Unfortunately, Bioware does not have the time or man power to produce a game that is customized to everyone's story.

If Tali died in my story, and she appears in ME3 regardless of the outcome of MY suicide mission, I will be disappointed in the continuity of the story. Even the possibilty of having Shepard die greatly complicates the development process for ME3. If Shepard is dead, who will we play as? If he dies in my game but I am FORCED to continue playing as Shepard in ME3, it seriously breaks coninuity of the story.

With this in mind, it is almost completely out of the question that the squad mates in ME2 will make anything more than brief cameo appearances or small, optional side quests. In all likelihood, we will be playing an entirely new character in ME3, possiblty another Spectre who has been in training while we've been romping around the galaxy in Shepard's shoes.

So, in conclusion, the development process required for including every permutation of surviving squad members is too large if anyone expects this game in the next decade. Id expect LI from ME1(Kaiden/Ashley and Liara) to be included in ME3, but dont be surprised when a major ambush at the beginning of ME3 kills your LI (if you chose to pick a new one in ME2) from ME2, along with the rest of your squadmates. Making a brief cinematic that takes into account all permutations will be a lot easier than making an entire new game with all the permutations covered.

As for the main character, Id say all evidence points to us playing as Conrad Verner in ME3 (kidding, kidding:P)

I hope your wrong, because it would be a mistake on Bioware's part if they did this.
Having a third game where once again we are introduced to a whole new squad that we have to get to know for the last game is stupid.

It would be like in Star Wars, or Lord of the Rings if they just killed off Luke, and Leia in The Empire Strikes Back or Aragorn, and Frodo in The Two Towers.

It would be a severe disappointment if the characters I have got to know were gone just because some of the characters could possibly die in some peoples save games.

To you people that had characters die. Quit being lazy, or stupid and actually save them all. Then maybe we wouldn't have this problem, I mean really I did it on my first playthrough, it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

[kidbd15]

It would be nice if there were something for a dead Shepard save file, maybe showing the galaxy being wiped out, something, but if not, whatever.



I would like the original ME1 and ME2 characters who survived to make a return, as well as a couple new additions (if you saved the Rachni, maybe the Queen will be a party member?!?)... nonetheless, I trust BioWare.

[Saurel]

kidbd15 wrote...

It would be nice if there were something for a dead Shepard save file, maybe showing the galaxy being wiped out, something, but if not, whatever.

I would like the original ME1 and ME2 characters who survived to make a return, as well as a couple new additions (if you saved the Rachni, maybe the Queen will be a party member?!?)... nonetheless, I trust BioWare.

I would laugh my ass off if in ME3, you hear Hackett,Udina, and Anderson once again discussing a potential Human Spectre. And you think Gray is reading for this?

He is our only option.

'I'll make the call"



This time Hackett wants to see you instead of Anderson..eheh

Modifié par Saurel, 22 février 2010 - 09:55 .

[kidbd15]

poisonoustea wrote...

It would be nice if there were something for a dead Shepard save file

*Reaper fleet appears in the sky*
Asari Councilor : "What are those?"
Salarian Councilor: "Yikes! Reapers!"
Turian Councilor: "Ah yeah, 'Reap-"

*Laser crossfire disintegrates the Citadel*

Welcome to Mass Effect 3! Mission Failed!

That would be EPIC.  lol

Saurel's option would be funny too.  Some easter egg for all the dead shepard files

Modifié par kidbd15, 22 février 2010 - 10:32 .

[Virginian]

Arrtis wrote...

IF tali lives shes going back to help the quarians not a squadmate.

Unless she got exiled then she won't be going back to help the quarians, because you know she can never ever ever ever go back for infinity.