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[Zulu_DFA]

Dinkamus_Littlelog wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Just out of there, sweetheart.

Wow, and saying for a moment I actually A) give a crap, and believe you, dont you think feeling the urge to brag about it on an internet forum makes you look like an idiot?

Who's bragging?

[FlintlockJazz]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Tazzamann wrote...

Garrus is a good example supporting ME2 squadmates appearing in ME 3, because Garrus was only a potential squadmate in ME 1, you could leave him on the citadel, yet bioware made him a big player in ME 2 because most people kept him around. I think Bioware will assume most poeple had most squadmates surviving, and will probably cater the squadmates to people who had a more succesful suicide mission.

"Successful suicide mission", that's a YES. It implies bodycount, or it was not really a suicide mission. And if it was not a suicide mission, then the Collectors were essentially sucking wussies. And that makes the value of the second, dark part of the story very low.

What has BW done that gives folks some impression that they ever intended for these characters (ME1 or ME2)  to return?  

They managed it with Throne of Bhaal.  Course, that was back before everything and it's dog had to be voiced, but still, it's possible.  If ME3 development is indeed going to focus solely on the story as they claim and leave the game engine and graphics exactly as they are then it's possible I suppose.

[Nozybidaj]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


What has BW done that gives folks some impression that they ever intended for these characters (ME1 or ME2)  to return?  

They managed it with Throne of Bhaal.  Course, that was back before everything and it's dog had to be voiced, but still, it's possible.  If ME3 development is indeed going to focus solely on the story as they claim and leave the game engine and graphics exactly as they are then it's possible I suppose.

Not saying its not possible.  It was entirely possible to return the ME1 characters in ME2, they chose not to.  I don't see any reason to expect different in ME3.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nozybidaj wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...


What has BW done that gives folks some impression that they ever intended for these characters (ME1 or ME2)  to return?  

They managed it with Throne of Bhaal.  Course, that was back before everything and it's dog had to be voiced, but still, it's possible.  If ME3 development is indeed going to focus solely on the story as they claim and leave the game engine and graphics exactly as they are then it's possible I suppose.

Not saying its not possible.  It was entirely possible to return the ME1 characters in ME2, they chose not to.  I don't see any reason to expect different in ME3.

Every squadmate, and 80% NPCs that survived ME1 returned in ME2.

[gandersen1043]

I think it would be lame if bioware made all the ME2 npc's because the whole game was spent on gaining all of the loyalties of the members and keeping them alive. I hope Bioware doesn't throw all that away by making them just npc's.

[Zulu_DFA]

gandersen1043 wrote...

I think it would be lame if bioware made all the ME2 npc's because the whole game was spent on gaining all of the loyalties of the members and keeping them alive. I hope Bioware doesn't throw all that away by making them just npc's.

And ME3 is actually an Expansion Pack for ME2. Flawless logic.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

Isn't that pretty expressly what ME3 sounds like? I mean, same engine, same gameplay, continuuing the story. There's also the issue that a play for play redux of the recruit->loyalty mission formula would feel repetitive if you had to do it more then once or twice all over again.

I mean is there any reason they couldn't just go pretty much all out with the current squad? The "wasted" content argument doesn't seem to fly for me since it's centred on what the "default" new character model will be. If they make the default "everybody survived" then technically there's no wasted content.

[superimposed]

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

Why?

Because the suicide mission leaves a immense amount of variability to the story. There are 11 squad members for the suicide mission (including Zaeed DLC). There are 66 different combinations of squad members to have live/die through the suicide mission. If you want to include the possible death of Shepard in that, there are 78 possible outcomes.  Unfortunately, Bioware does not have the time or man power to produce a game that is customized to everyone's story.

If Tali died in my story, and she appears in ME3 regardless of the outcome of MY suicide mission, I will be disappointed in the continuity of the story. Even the possibilty of having Shepard die greatly complicates the development process for ME3. If Shepard is dead, who will we play as? If he dies in my game but I am FORCED to continue playing as Shepard in ME3, it seriously breaks coninuity of the story.

With this in mind, it is almost completely out of the question that the squad mates in ME2 will make anything more than brief cameo appearances or small, optional side quests. In all likelihood, we will be playing an entirely new character in ME3, possiblty another Spectre who has been in training while we've been romping around the galaxy in Shepard's shoes.

So, in conclusion, the development process required for including every permutation of surviving squad members is too large if anyone expects this game in the next decade. Id expect LI from ME1(Kaiden/Ashley and Liara) to be included in ME3, but dont be surprised when a major ambush at the beginning of ME3 kills your LI (if you chose to pick a new one in ME2) from ME2, along with the rest of your squadmates. Making a brief cinematic that takes into account all permutations will be a lot easier than making an entire new game with all the permutations covered.

As for the main character, Id say all evidence points to us playing as Conrad Verner in ME3 (kidding, kidding:P)

Wut?

It's simple. You write dialogue for every character, and the ones that are dead don't say a thing.
Just like ME2, the 'changes' will be minor which won't really affect gameplay.

[ExtremeOne]

If Miranda is not in my squad in ME 3 then I will be a lone solider because its bull Sh*t that they ever created ME 2 and then turn around and kiss the butts of the ME 1 fans and ignore us ME 2 fans

[Nozybidaj]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Every squadmate, and 80% NPCs that survived ME1 returned in ME2.

I'm not sure it is possible to be any more disingenuous with that statement.  You must be taking lessons from Casey Hudson.

Did they technically return?  Sure if you count a hadnful of lines of dialogue returning.  <_<

[Nozybidaj]

ExtremeOne wrote...

If Miranda is not in my squad in ME 3 then I will be a lone solider because its bull Sh*t that they ever created ME 2 and then turn around and kiss the butts of the ME 1 fans and ignore us ME 2 fans

Why should they cater to ME2 fans in ME3 any more than they catered to ME1 fans in ME2?  The whole point of every single member of the ME2 cast was to go die in a suicide mission, accept that.  It would be absolutely ridiculous to expect them to have any sort of significant presence in ME3 when they could be dead in a large number of people's games.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Every squadmate, and 80% NPCs that survived ME1 returned in ME2.

I'm not sure it is possible to be any more disingenuous with that statement.  You must be taking lessons from Casey Hudson.

Did they technically return?  Sure if you count a hadnful of lines of dialogue returning.  <_<

Now, I'm flattered.

[KnotEngaged]

General consensus is that most people did not like the idea of ME1 squad members being relegated to cameo roles. Given how upset some people got at this, why would BioWare do it again if they can prevent it?

I expect every squad member in ME2 to be available as a squad member in ME3, given that they survive your play through in ME2. Sure there are some exceptions (Zaeed and Thane), but I don't see the logistical issues of programing potentially redundant character actions into the game stopping BioWare from including ME2 characters. They already have things like the Collector Base and Rachni which are going to be split 50-50 for most gamers, so why worry about including squad members?

[Nozybidaj]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Every squadmate, and 80% NPCs that survived ME1 returned in ME2.

I'm not sure it is possible to be any more disingenuous with that statement.  You must be taking lessons from Casey Hudson.

Did they technically return?  Sure if you count a hadnful of lines of dialogue returning.  <_<

Now, I'm flattered.

Yes, both you and Casey should be very proud of being deliberately disingenuous.  It says much about you. <_<

[SnakeStrike8]

You're worrying too much. Bioware had planned this to be a trilogy from the start. They KNEW about the suicide mission before we did, so they probably know what they'll do with it in ME 3.
'Nuff said.

[Zulu_DFA]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Every squadmate, and 80% NPCs that survived ME1 returned in ME2.

I'm not sure it is possible to be any more disingenuous with that statement.  You must be taking lessons from Casey Hudson.

Did they technically return?  Sure if you count a hadnful of lines of dialogue returning.  <_<

Now, I'm flattered.

Yes, both you and Casey should be very proud of being deliberately disingenuous.  It says much about you. <_<

Fear me, lesser creatures, I am BIOTIC GOD!!!

[Nozybidaj]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Fear me, lesser creatures, I am BIOTIC GOD!!!

Somehow, that response isn't terribly surprising. /shrug

[Zulu_DFA]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Fear me, lesser creatures, I am BIOTIC GOD!!!

Somehow, that response isn't terribly surprising. /shrug

That was a joke. /Tricia Helfer voice.

[Nozybidaj]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Fear me, lesser creatures, I am BIOTIC GOD!!!

Somehow, that response isn't terribly surprising. /shrug

That was a joke. /Tricia Helfer voice.

As were the ME2 cameos. 

[phatpat63]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

It would be just like going from ME1 to ME2. . .
*GASP!* <_<

[jtav]

But there was continuity in the main cast between 1 and 2. There will be continuity between 2 and 3. We just don't know how much.

[Multifarious Algorithm]

phatpat63 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

It would be just like going from ME1 to ME2. . .
*GASP!* <_<

Because none of your ME1 squadmates were available in ME2 oh wai-

[Nozybidaj]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

phatpat63 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

It would be just like going from ME1 to ME2. . .
*GASP!* <_<

Because none of your ME1 squadmates were available in ME2 oh wai-

/shrug Okay, fine.  You get two non LI squadmates from ME2 that can return in ME3 as LI's for fanservice, one male, one female. Rest get cameo'ed.  Choose.

[phatpat63]

Multifarious Algorithm wrote...

phatpat63 wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

It would be just like going from ME1 to ME2. . .
*GASP!* <_<

Because none of your ME1 squadmates were available in ME2 oh wai-

Your right. My Bad. I forgot about how who died in ME1 made a diffrence in who you could recruit in ME2. It's silly how I could overlook something that so clearly and drasticaly changes the whole layout of ME2 oh wai-

[Scars Unseen]

My thoughts on characters from previous games in ME3

Sheppard:  Probably returning to the Alliance either in the intro or around halfway through the game.  Another possibility would be trying to independantly form a coalition of forces(including the Geth) to fight the Reapers, Dragon Age style.

Ashley Williams:  Probably returning to full squadmate status if Sheppard returns to the Alliance.  Possibly returning as a LI if Sheppard didn't court someone else in ME2.  Or not, if she got killed in ME1

Liara T'soni:  Not returning as a squadmate, but may be primary source of information after Sheppard ditches TIM. 

Kaiden Alenko:  Same as Ashley if he survived instead of her.

Garrus Valkarian:  An obvious squadmate, having been in both pervious games.  Possibly more comments about your supportive waist.  Hopefully you won't have to earn his loyalty yet again.

Urdnot Wrex:  Does not join your squad, but rather leads the combined Krogan clans against the Reapers at your request.  If he survived ME1.

Tali'Zorah nar Rayya:  Same boat as Garrus, minus awkard flirtation, plus debilitating alergy to everything.

Jacob Taylor:  Too bland to return.  Could go either to Alliance or Cerberus as an NPC.

Miranda Lawson:  Possible returning squadmate.  Expect a confrontation between her and Ashley if she does.

Thane Krios:  Dead, obviously.  Or not if Bioware decides to be lame and cure his terminal disease.

Grunt:  Could go either way.  His name pretty much sums up the extent of his usefulness either as a squadmate or as an NPC.  Don't see much character development left in him unless you want to introduce a Krogan romance option(hey, I didn't see the Turin one coming either).

Jack:  Again, could go either way.  She's useful and at least more interesting than Jacob, but she also already has the perfect out, seeing as she very clearly said that she would cut and run after the mission.

Mordin Solus:  Probably relegated to onboard researcher/advisor.  May complete the Genophage cure that you found in his loyalty mission to help boost your chances against the Reapers if you kept it.

Samara:  Gone.  Her oath to you ended and she'll be on her Justicaring ways in all likelyhood.

Morinth:  Same thing if you ended up with her.  Assuming she didn't critically fail your mission, she'll probably get bored and run off to find other vict... lovers.

Legion:  If I was to guess, I'd say that Legion will not be in your squad for ME3.  Rather, I think he'll serve as a diplomatic link to the Geth.  On the other hand, he is one of the few characters from ME2 that still has plenty of room for character development, so I'm not completely ruling him out.

Zaeed Massani:  Contract is finished and so is this non-interactive DLC character.  Goodbye and good riddance.

So by that reckoning, we would have between 5 and 7 returning squadmates, leaving room for 4 - 6 new characters if they decide to go with a similar number of characters to ME2.  If I was to guess, I'd say it will be 5 or 6 old characters and 5 or 6 new characters, that way even if all of your elligible squadmates from ME2 died in the suicide mission you will be left with a number of characters roughly equal to that of ME1.

That said, it occurs to me that Ashley/Kaiden may have been relegated to NPC status in ME2 specifically so you couldn't get them killed in the suicide mission.  It was made pretty clear that Ashley(I don't have a save where I kept Kaiden) was only refusing to join you because you were with Cerberus.  That also makes me think that we might see a LI confrontation between Ashley/Kaiden and Tali/Garrus that brings up the point that Ashley/Kaiden was more loyal to the Alliance than they were to Sheppard.