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[Tooneyman]

I have to state this one just as a personal reference. YES and YEs bioware does have the man power and the resources if they wanted too to plus that off. They would need all of the KOTR Team who are busy working on the MMO here in Austin, TEXAs BAby to do it but they do have the resources. Plus the monsta. EA IS also their main funder now and they are doing just fine. So know your role and shut your mouth plus you need to read the link above you They tell you right their! holla at ya boys!

[The BS Police]

Most of the squad should return, a few examples are that Garrus has nothing better to do, Shepard is Grunt's battlemaster, and Tali's home is now the Normandy.

I would assume that Jack, Miranda, Jacob, and Legion would also return aswell. Theres also the fact that Liara is more likely to return since she couldn't die in either game. We also have Ash/Kaiden.

Zaeed probably won't return since he was only paid to help you, Samara has about a 50/50 chance since she is a Justicar, and since Thane is dieing he probably would want to spend the remainder of his life with his son. Wrex won't return since he has alot of work ahead of him in uniting the Krogan.

Modifié par The BS Police, 08 février 2010 - 05:22 .

[Sleepicub09]

cashogy wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

for the effect of it being a suicide mission duh

So after Shepard dies thats it? The Reapers can just come and kill everyone b/c Commander Shepard is the ONLY defense against them? That is a MAJOR plot hole

its a game dude 

[jason9880]

cashogy wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

for the effect of it being a suicide mission duh

So after Shepard dies thats it? The Reapers can just come and kill everyone b/c Commander Shepard is the ONLY defense against them? That is a MAJOR plot hole

Shepard was the only one that could get to the collector's station and the only one that could destroy soverign. This is Shepard's story, as the protagaonist he is the only one that can defeat the reapers.

[Collider]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

I agree with Jack. I would be less likely to buy the game should the suicide mission not matter at all in ME3. The whole suicide mission would look like a gimmicky plot device.

[cashogy]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

If they write Tali and Garrus out of ME3 I think a lynch mob will form. I'm not just saying that because I want those characters in the game either. Bioware will have MANY, MANY angry people at hand if they do that. Besides, why on earth would you import a save in which you did a sucky job? Almost everybody is going to import saves where they kicked ass in the suicide mission. I'm willing to put down considerable money on that. It's like who actually imported saves where Wrex died? I'm sure some did just to see what happens, but I seriously doubt very many people treat that as their "canon" game. If Tali died in your suicide run and you import that save, I'd say that makes you part of like 3% of gamers. Same with Garrus and probably the same with Mordin as well. I think Bioware can just ignore that group of folks, and frankly, I hope they do.

I understand that point and think it is valid. But why have the option for the to even die then?  What is the point of having these 'important decisions' to make if Bioware is just going to say "Look, we think that Shepard should have lived and saved X,Y,Z. It doesnt matter if you may have gotten them killed, we decided we can make more money by including X,Y,Z b/c there are major followings for those characters." ?

[TyDurden13]

Kenthen wrote...

You can't import a save in which Shepard dies. This is common knowledge by now.
As for the squad members, they don't actually have to program 66 different games, it's just a matter of who you bring along. There really isn't that much dialogue in the game for squad mates and people have already made a case that ME3 will focus less on characters and more on bigger events. It is the finale, after all.

This.  They're not programming 66 possible outcomes.  They're programming a simple yes/no for each of the 11 ME2 squadmates as to whether or not they get implemented.

I am repeating myself across threads because there's dozens on this topic out there (we need a sticky/search funtion - these boards move very fast), but here's what I said in another one:
It's pretty simple actually - if a character died, they don't get implemented into your ME3 game.  That's it.  ME3 likely won't be a squad-driven game like ME2 was.  Think of ME1 - imagine, say, Garrus disappears from his station next to the Mako, and you can't talk to him or take him on missions.  Would that dramatically change your ME1
game?  I imagine a similar set up for ME3.

On top of that, the devs are already on record saying that ME3 will allow them to give players into a muh wider range of branching paths, because they don't have to wory about implementing a port into ME4.  And also that they were working on bringing back all your surviving squadmates.

Modifié par TyDurden13, 08 février 2010 - 05:24 .

[spartan117 lbg]

If your Shepard dies then you dont buy Mass Effect 3. Your story is over. Also I dont expect Bioware to bring all the squad back but I think they will brink Tali and Garrus for sure.

[Collider]

They can just do as they did with Wrex. If a squadmate died in the previous game, an NPC can come and replace him/her. in the case of Wrex, it was another Krogan who led the Urdnot clan.

Players who had most squad mates die in the suicide mission should have to deal with the consequences. The whole "suicide mission" thing matters squat if squad mates don't return anyways.

[cronshaw8]

I think the problem w/ the shepard dying thing is an issue of perspective. Because this is a game and you make decisions and fight bad guys in real time people tend to look at the game as taking place in the present. In other words what you do matters. And it does matter for the most part. But look at the narrative as a whole and it is more like a book. The events have already happened. Shepard has saved the Galaxy. The game we all are playing is that story, as told by us within a certain framework.
so if your shepard died, you cannot continue telling the story.

This is why there is no choice to side with Saren in ME1

Modifié par cronshaw8, 08 février 2010 - 05:29 .

[Antikristine]

Like in ME2, you didn't have to import the old game, so even if you ****ed up and had Shepard die, you can still play ME3. You just continue with a new Shepard and your actions don't follow over.



I don't think we can expect to have all squad mates from ME1 and 2 along for no 3, but I think that some of them will be there for the grand finale. Depending on who is dead, I believe Ashley or Kaidan will be squad mates as well as Tali and Garrus. We will possibly also be allowed to choose between some of the remaining squad mates as well, unless they're dead.

[Looy]

Bioware have already said that they can go nuts with the plot variations now, as before they had to make sure there were only 2/3 major endings so that the next game would make sense.

[DrowNoble]

Well if you get Shephard killed in ME2, Bioware could do 2 things.



They could just make you start a new Shephard in ME3, losing your bonuses for importing. That would be the easiest thing for them to do.



Also, they possibly could have the protagonist in ME3 be the offspring of one of your romances. So, he (or she) would still be called "shephard" as they could claim that surname.



I think the latter is doubtful as Bioware has said if you get Shephard killed in ME2, you can't import your game to ME3. They could always change their mind at a later date.



As for ME3 squad members, I would think that some of your team from ME2 would continue with you. Unless you got Garrus or Tali killed, I see no reason why they wouldn't stay with you. Jack seems the most likely to stay as she doesn't really have any other place to go, she's not "wanted" anywhere else.

[Emperor Muad-Dib]

Tooneyman wrote...

I have to state this one just as a personal reference. YES and YEs bioware does have the man power and the resources if they wanted too to plus that off. They would need all of the KOTR Team who are busy working on the MMO here in Austin, TEXAs BAby to do it but they do have the resources. Plus the monsta. EA IS also their main funder now and they are doing just fine. So know your role and shut your mouth plus you need to read the link above you They tell you right their! holla at ya boys!

Texas Fight!

Sorry, I had to.

On topic though, I think Bioware is not dumb enough to create a boatload of new characters, force people to interact and get attached to them, just so they can sideline them in the finale. This is the end of the story, all threads should come back together, including the ones they left out of part 2 to ensure they could be used in the finale (I'm looking at you Ash and Wrex.). They know how much people like these characters and I don't see them pissing off virtually the entire player base by tossing them out the window once more.

I'm a pragmatist, so if I thought bioware would be better served by tossing out the characters in ME2, I'd say so. I just don't see how that would be anything short of pointless on their part though. Its plainly obvious that Bioware is a very ambitious company and that they are capable of taking an intimidating game project and turning it into gold, which so far is what they've done with the Mass Effect Franchise.

Don't let us down Bioware.

[Tooneyman]

cronshaw8 wrote...

I think the problem w/ the shepard dying thing is an issue of perspective. Because this is a game and you make decisions and fight bad guys in real time people tend to look at the game as taking place in the present. In other words what you do matters. And it does matter for the most part. But look at the narrative as a whole and it is more like a book. The events have already happened. Shepard has saved the Galaxy. The game we all are playing is that story, as told by us within a certain framework.
so if your shepard died, you cannot continue telling the story.

This is why there is no choice to side with Saren in ME1

Point taken sunk and then turned upside down and turned around. Love it!

[Spectre_Shepard]

not all of them will return as squaddies. some may leave, some stick around as npcs. but a few (garrus, tali, miranda, jacob) can hopefully be carried over as squaddies.



there are still variables, but at least they should be manageable

[aeetos21]

yes because bioware is doing this by the seat of its pants and had no idea that amount of different variabilities that would be the outcome of me2 - they only figured those out until after me2 was released



*note, heavy sarcasm used throughout this comment

[Pocketgb]

cashogy wrote...

I understand that point and think it is valid. But why have the option for the to even die then?

To punish the shooter-player for not appreciating the RPG elements in the game.

If you just go "pew pew pew" throughout the whole story not caring about anyone and just the action then you will get that sort of game - but you'll get a really crumby ending. The Reapers will win, Shepard dies, you will all be "ascended" and turned into bloody paste.

It's kind of like when I first started getting into heavy role-playing: the first time I played NWN I made a guy with low charisma (i.e. ugly as hell) and always chose the fighty option. At the end of the game I wondered if I could do things differently, if I could've saved Aribeth instead of killing her, etc. and I then discovered my love of Persuasion checks and being the good guy.

Modifié par Pocketgb, 08 février 2010 - 05:37 .

[Mister Mage]

First of all, we're talking 11 characters, not 66 endings. Each character brought over from ME2 can have a replacement. And if they bring back anybody, they'll likely only bring back 2-3 characters(Tali, Garrus, and someone else). Seems to me that all love interests will have at least some involvement in the next game's story.



I think we'll get Tali and Garrus, with an alternate Quarian and Turian for those that have dead Talis and Garruses.

[gutty47]

I always imagined "serious consequences" as if Shepard died during the suicide mission, project directory Casey Hudson turned up and broke your ME1 and ME2 discs, yelling "fail" and then kicked your xbox/pc. Or is that not serious enough?

[KainrycKarr]

cashogy wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

BioWare has said numerous times that this trilogy is "Shepard's story" as such if Shepard dies in your ME2 game you will not be able to import that save game. You will definitely be Shepard in ME3 not some other person.

I know Bioware has said that this is Shepard's story.  However, I dont understand why theyd include the possibilty of Shepard dying, and then state that his living/dying will have consequences later, if they were just going to keep him alive in ME3 regardless. If they do that it leaves a lot of plot holes for people whose Shepard does die

No, it leaves no plot holes because you can't import a save with Shepard dead. This has been stated by the devs.


ME2 revolves around character development and building a team. Ditching the team in ME3 would render the plot ME2 all but pointless.

Just abandoning the team, dead or alive, just doesn't work very well story wise.

[HAGA NAGA]

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

Why?

Because the suicide mission leaves a immense amount of variability to the story. There are 11 squad members for the suicide mission (including Zaeed DLC). There are 66 different combinations of squad members to have live/die through the suicide mission. If you want to include the possible death of Shepard in that, there are 78 possible outcomes.  Unfortunately, Bioware does not have the time or man power to produce a game that is customized to everyone's story.

If Tali died in my story, and she appears in ME3 regardless of the outcome of MY suicide mission, I will be disappointed in the continuity of the story. Even the possibilty of having Shepard die greatly complicates the development process for ME3. If Shepard is dead, who will we play as? If he dies in my game but I am FORCED to continue playing as Shepard in ME3, it seriously breaks coninuity of the story.

With this in mind, it is almost completely out of the question that the squad mates in ME2 will make anything more than brief cameo appearances or small, optional side quests. In all likelihood, we will be playing an entirely new character in ME3, possiblty another Spectre who has been in training while we've been romping around the galaxy in Shepard's shoes.

So, in conclusion, the development process required for including every permutation of surviving squad members is too large if anyone expects this game in the next decade. Id expect LI from ME1(Kaiden/Ashley and Liara) to be included in ME3, but dont be surprised when a major ambush at the beginning of ME3 kills your LI (if you chose to pick a new one in ME2) from ME2, along with the rest of your squadmates. Making a brief cinematic that takes into account all permutations will be a lot easier than making an entire new game with all the permutations covered.

As for the main character, Id say all evidence points to us playing as Conrad Verner in ME3 (kidding, kidding:P)

I understand what you are saying, but i think your logic is a bit flawed. the 66 combinations you cite presupposes that they have to completely write 66 different stories. they don't. either the material they write for your squadmates is there or is gone becuase you let everyone die.  They wrote enough material for 11 characters in ME2, why couldn't they do that again?  that being said, i think someone who transfers a save file in which everyone dies is in for considerably less content for ME3.

It only makes sense that Bioware will reward you for caring enough about your squadmates to save them.

[Obadiah]

spartan117 lbg wrote...

If your Shepard dies then you dont buy Mass Effect 3. Your story is over. Also I dont expect Bioware to bring all the squad back but I think they will brink Tali and Garrus for sure.

If your Shep dies, maybe they will let you play as either Kaiden or Ashley, since they are both high level Alliance operatives now.

Nah....

[Talogrungi]

My hope:

Keeping squadmates alive through ME1 and ME2 allows you to use them in ME3. I'm sure there'll be newbies in ME3, but I'd much rather have Wrex (or even Grunt) fighting at my side instead of "random Krogan #3". Having both could be interesting too.

[KainrycKarr]

Talogrungi wrote...

My hope:
Keeping squadmates alive through ME1 and ME2 allows you to use them in ME3. I'm sure there'll be newbies in ME3, but I'd much rather have Wrex (or even Grunt) fighting at my side instead of "random Krogan #3". Having both could be interesting too.

Agreed, too late in the story to introduce a whole new crew. Enough already, we've got lots of amazing characters from both games; let's take it to the Reapers now.