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[KainrycKarr]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

LOL that's almost exactly how I felt in ME2, weird.

Idk, i felt like my choices in ME1 had an impact. Rachni, anyone?

But that point is even further emphasized by the fact that ME2 had very little story beyond building a team; killing, or splitting up that team would just render the entire game pointless.

[Nozybidaj]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

LOL that's almost exactly how I felt in ME2, weird.

Idk, i felt like my choices in ME1 had an impact. Rachni, anyone?

But that point is even further emphasized by the fact that ME2 had very little story beyond building a team; killing, or splitting up that team would just render the entire game pointless.

/shrug I won't begrudge you your opinion but to me a random email or radio broadcast or 4 lines of dialogue from a random npc that had no impact on anything didn't really make my choices feel like they mattered.  Especially the larger choices like LI's and your decision on the Council.  These all played out pretty much the same way aside from a line or two of dialogue no matter what choices you made.

Again, on your last point that is pretty much how I felt in ME2, that splitting up the team and the people Shepard had formed relationships with in the first game made all that time and the choices he made rather pointless in ME2.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out the same thing happens in ME3.

[KainrycKarr]

Nozybidaj wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

LOL that's almost exactly how I felt in ME2, weird.

Idk, i felt like my choices in ME1 had an impact. Rachni, anyone?

But that point is even further emphasized by the fact that ME2 had very little story beyond building a team; killing, or splitting up that team would just render the entire game pointless.

/shrug I won't begrudge you your opinion but to me a random email or radio broadcast or 4 lines of dialogue from a random npc that had no impact on anything didn't really make my choices feel like they mattered.  Especially the larger choices like LI's and your decision on the Council.  These all played out pretty much the same way aside from a line or two of dialogue no matter what choices you made.

Again, on your last point that is pretty much how I felt in ME2, that splitting up the team and the people Shepard had formed relationships with in the first game made all that time and the choices he made rather pointless in ME2.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out the same thing happens in ME3.

The difference is that ME1 had quite a bit of story beyond the squadmates; ME2 did not.

And for the record, I don't like how they handled the ME1 squadmates in ME2.

I also believe they won't repeat the same mistake. To think so seems very pessimistic to me.

[IceColdFulcrum]

How about this:

at the start of ME3 shepard is arrested and put on trial by the council for spreading lies about the reapers and working with Cerberus. You bust out or are freed by Anderson but lose all but a few of your squad...the rest are executed or die escaping.



So bioware can pick and choose who accompanies you in Me3 assuming they survive Me2. Limit this down to just a few characters and have backups for that dialog in case the mains die. Miranda has her twin sister, always more quarians running about

[cdsmith0]

^see i thought the same thing but i felt that bioware was pushing you to look elsewhere for romance in the game if you wanted to continue your LI. I really do believe ME 3 will be huge and allow for alot more changes in your game.

[KainrycKarr]

IceColdFulcrum wrote...

How about this:
at the start of ME3 shepard is arrested and put on trial by the council for spreading lies about the reapers and working with Cerberus. You bust out or are freed by Anderson but lose all but a few of your squad...the rest are executed or die escaping.

So bioware can pick and choose who accompanies you in Me3 assuming they survive Me2. Limit this down to just a few characters and have backups for that dialog in case the mains die. Miranda has her twin sister, always more quarians running about

The council isn't even remotely competent enough to take on Shepard and his team.

[epoch_]

It isn't that much work to bring back all the squad mates. They just need to do a little voice acting for each one. Its not like you're going to have the bulk of the missions focus around your squad mates. That was ME2's thing. this is a different game.

[IceColdFulcrum]

The council may be incompetent, but if that hanarr spectre shows up to take your squad to jail...well all bets are off. But seriously, I could see a team of spectres bringing shep in.

[Brahlis]

@ OP:

Cool story, bro.

Modifié par Brahlis, 08 février 2010 - 06:34 .

[CarolSephard]

Nozybidaj wrote...

/shrug I won't begrudge you your opinion but to me a random email or radio broadcast or 4 lines of dialogue from a random npc that had no impact on anything didn't really make my choices feel like they mattered.  Especially the larger choices like LI's and your decision on the Council.  These all played out pretty much the same way aside from a line or two of dialogue no matter what choices you made.

Again, on your last point that is pretty much how I felt in ME2, that splitting up the team and the people Shepard had formed relationships with in the first game made all that time and the choices he made rather pointless in ME2.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out the same thing happens in ME3.

Friendly question: Why all your ME1 choices must have a direct and deep impact on ME2? ME2 is just the middle of the history, you could see some things in ME2 and the final impact in ME3, i think we need to wait until ME3 to talk about the real impact of your choices in any ME.

[KainrycKarr]

IceColdFulcrum wrote...

The council may be incompetent, but if that hanarr spectre shows up to take your squad to jail...well all bets are off. But seriously, I could see a team of spectres bringing shep in.

I still doubt it. Saren was supposed to be the best, "legendary" i think was the word, and Shepard smeared his skull over the council chambers. Literally.


'nuff said.

[Mangasage]

Hopefully Tali gets a spotlight in Mass Effect 3. If she just gets an Ashley/Kaiden cameo I'll be disappointed.

[ERJAK2]

FunkyFreshKilla wrote...

On another note Liara could be a full squad member due to the fact she can't be killed in ME1 or ME2, but I doubt she would be because of the romance angle. I don't think BioWare would bring her back as a full squad mate as it would be unfair for the Ashley or Kaiden romancers. I think they would want to avoid all the complaining.

Just my 2 cents. Regardless of what they do ME 3 will be awesome!

The chances that Liara will not be a full squad member are very small, regardless of romantic subplots. ME2 proved that not having the romance options in your squad made them suck, so leaving them out seems ridiculous.

As for Kaiden/Ashley, they are not even a blip on the radar compared to how difficult it would be to bring ME2 characters back. It would be easy to just create both characters and have the one who survived show up, after all there's only 2 of them and they can fill the same role.

[RiouHotaru]

Why do people insist that they think they know what Bioware will do?  I've played plenty of RPGs which consisted of WAY more recruitable characters with the same level of depth and detail as Mass Effect, so what makes you think Bioware can't do it?  Besides, ME2's squad is up to 11 (12 once Kasumi appears), each with their own unique level of depth and personality, upping the number to 13-15 or so (possibly, I'm just speculating since that's a safe-sounding range) couldn't be that difficult.

Also, they have absolutely NO reason to sideline people for the finale.  It's the last hand, all bets are off, no-holds-barred, everything out on the table.  They would NEVER get us this emotionally involved with our squad and then suddenly shove them off a cliff and into obscurity by making them cameos or what not, especially since over half the ME2 squad consists of potential LIs.

Now, I can see them making you decide between certain party members (for example, you don't need Liara and Samara, likely you'll have to pick one or the other, Grunt/Wrex is another instance possibly)  However, that doesn't mean there won't be new characters either.  Also, I believe in an interview Casey or one of the other devs mentioned how people dying in your squad could result in "consequences".  So for instance, if Tali died during the suicide mission, convincing the Migrant Fleet to help you would become MUCH more difficult.

Just like there are incentives to makes certain choices in ME1, there are likely going to be incentives in ME3 for making certain choices in ME2.  But Bioware has had ME3 in development since they started ME2, since they have to think about how the choices made in 2 will impact 3, so it's not like they're rushed for time or a deadline.

[Nozybidaj]

KainrycKarr wrote...

The council isn't even remotely competent enough to take on Shepard and his team.

Truth.  Shepard can take down baby reapers single handedly (found the squad ai to be rather useless in that fight).  The Council wouldn't even be a good speed bumb.

[KainrycKarr]

ERJAK2 wrote...

FunkyFreshKilla wrote...

On another note Liara could be a full squad member due to the fact she can't be killed in ME1 or ME2, but I doubt she would be because of the romance angle. I don't think BioWare would bring her back as a full squad mate as it would be unfair for the Ashley or Kaiden romancers. I think they would want to avoid all the complaining.

Just my 2 cents. Regardless of what they do ME 3 will be awesome!

The chances that Liara will not be a full squad member are very small, regardless of romantic subplots. ME2 proved that not having the romance options in your squad made them suck, so leaving them out seems ridiculous.

As for Kaiden/Ashley, they are not even a blip on the radar compared to how difficult it would be to bring ME2 characters back. It would be easy to just create both characters and have the one who survived show up, after all there's only 2 of them and they can fill the same role.

I agree. I think Bioware will learn from their mistake and poor handling of the ME1 LI's.

Also.

If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

They
have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being
faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's
will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain
characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide
and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their
Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

The ME2 story revolved around
building the greatest team in the galaxy. Just "splitting up" in ME3
would render that story utterly meaningless.

[ERJAK2]

KainrycKarr wrote...

IceColdFulcrum wrote...

The council may be incompetent, but if that hanarr spectre shows up to take your squad to jail...well all bets are off. But seriously, I could see a team of spectres bringing shep in.

I still doubt it. Saren was supposed to be the best, "legendary" i think was the word, and Shepard smeared his skull over the council chambers. Literally.


'nuff said.

There is no force in the galaxy capable of standing against Shepard. Soveriegn learned that, Harbinger learned that, Saren learned that, The Illusive Man learned that. If they wanted to send the Spectres after Shepard(which is an awesome plot idea BTW) the Council will learn that.

Shepard specializes in bringing beings of impossible intellect and unlimited resources to there knees before blowing them to pieces.

[Nozybidaj]

CarolSephard wrote...

Friendly question: Why all your ME1 choices must have a direct and deep impact on ME2? ME2 is just the middle of the history, you could see some things in ME2 and the final impact in ME3, i think we need to wait until ME3 to talk about the real impact of your choices in any ME.

If my choices didn't have any impact on ME2, especailly the major ones like LI's and your squad mates and we have to wait till ME3 to see any results or continuation of them, why even have ME2?  It just becomes a useless side quest.

[KainrycKarr]

ERJAK2 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

IceColdFulcrum wrote...

The council may be incompetent, but if that hanarr spectre shows up to take your squad to jail...well all bets are off. But seriously, I could see a team of spectres bringing shep in.

I still doubt it. Saren was supposed to be the best, "legendary" i think was the word, and Shepard smeared his skull over the council chambers. Literally.


'nuff said.

There is no force in the galaxy capable of standing against Shepard. Soveriegn learned that, Harbinger learned that, Saren learned that, The Illusive Man learned that. If they wanted to send the Spectres after Shepard(which is an awesome plot idea BTW) the Council will learn that.

Shepard specializes in bringing beings of impossible intellect and unlimited resources to there knees before blowing them to pieces.

I hate to reference that lame old Shep vs. Master Chief thread....but this is why Master Chief is a punk b*tch.

[Console Cowboy]

KainrycKarr wrote...

IceColdFulcrum wrote...

The council may be incompetent, but if that hanarr spectre shows up to take your squad to jail...well all bets are off. But seriously, I could see a team of spectres bringing shep in.

I still doubt it. Saren was supposed to be the best, "legendary" i think was the word, and Shepard smeared his skull over the council chambers. Literally.


'nuff said.

maybe your Shep did. mine pulled that one out by the skin of her ass.

[KainrycKarr]

Nozybidaj wrote...

CarolSephard wrote...

Friendly question: Why all your ME1 choices must have a direct and deep impact on ME2? ME2 is just the middle of the history, you could see some things in ME2 and the final impact in ME3, i think we need to wait until ME3 to talk about the real impact of your choices in any ME.

If my choices didn't have any impact on ME2, especailly the major ones like LI's and your squad mates and we have to wait till ME3 to see any results or continuation of them, why even have ME2?  It just becomes a useless side quest.

Because Bioware learned from their mistakes...?

Also, bolded is why I find it silly to think ME2 characters won't have the opportunity to return.

[ERJAK2]

KainrycKarr wrote...

ERJAK2 wrote...

FunkyFreshKilla wrote...

On another note Liara could be a full squad member due to the fact she can't be killed in ME1 or ME2, but I doubt she would be because of the romance angle. I don't think BioWare would bring her back as a full squad mate as it would be unfair for the Ashley or Kaiden romancers. I think they would want to avoid all the complaining.

Just my 2 cents. Regardless of what they do ME 3 will be awesome!

The chances that Liara will not be a full squad member are very small, regardless of romantic subplots. ME2 proved that not having the romance options in your squad made them suck, so leaving them out seems ridiculous.

As for Kaiden/Ashley, they are not even a blip on the radar compared to how difficult it would be to bring ME2 characters back. It would be easy to just create both characters and have the one who survived show up, after all there's only 2 of them and they can fill the same role.

I agree. I think Bioware will learn from their mistake and poor handling of the ME1 LI's.

Also.

If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

They
have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being
faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's
will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain
characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide
and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their
Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

The ME2 story revolved around
building the greatest team in the galaxy. Just "splitting up" in ME3
would render that story utterly meaningless.

I will personally not buy the game new, or any DLC, or any memorabilia if Liara(or an acceptable analog I'm very easy to please.) does not make a triumphant return to Shepards side.

4 playthroughs I stayed loyal to her, I better get a payoff darn it!

I wonder if we'll get like a wedding scene or something.

[Talon_Wu]

IceColdFulcrum wrote...

How about this:
at the start of ME3 shepard is arrested and put on trial by the council for spreading lies about the reapers and working with Cerberus. You bust out or are freed by Anderson but lose all but a few of your squad...the rest are executed or die escaping.

So bioware can pick and choose who accompanies you in Me3 assuming they survive Me2. Limit this down to just a few characters and have backups for that dialog in case the mains die. Miranda has her twin sister, always more quarians running about

This would completely invalidate the choices you made in ME2, and the effort put into keeping your team alive. Personally, I'd rather have the crew walk away with little/no explanation, than to have the crew die at the beginning of the game again.

That said, I can see the association with Cerberus coming back to bite Shepard in the rear as a possibility.