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[KainrycKarr]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

bobito64 wrote...

This squad was recruited for one mission only. It is highly unlikely that they will still be around for the next. Cameo appearances by some of them perhaps, but that's all.The only two characters that were squadmates in both ME 1 and 2 were ones that could not die in the first game. For that reason, I suspect that the most likely return party member in ME3 is Liara.

So you are saying we if none of our squad died we will get a nice cameo appearance from 11 ME2 squadies and 2-3 ME1 squadies while each and every one of them have an excuse to not help save the galaxy? Unless everyone just dies.. its highly doubted.

Not to mention would make for a godawful story that fans would utterly hate.

[KainrycKarr]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

bobito64 wrote...

This squad was recruited for one mission only. It is highly unlikely that they will still be around for the next. Cameo appearances by some of them perhaps, but that's all.The only two characters that were squadmates in both ME 1 and 2 were ones that could not die in the first game. For that reason, I suspect that the most likely return party member in ME3 is Liara.

So you are saying we if none of our squad died we will get a nice cameo appearance from 11 ME2 squadies and 2-3 ME1 squadies while each and every one of them have an excuse to not help save the galaxy? Unless everyone just dies.. its highly doubted.

Not to mention would make for a godawful story that fans would utterly hate.

[Daveastation]

I don't know if anyone has said this, but there is only one character that can come back in ME3 for EVERYONE regardless of their ME1 and ME2 outcomes: Liara. Liara is the only character that cannot be dead.



Sure, they can make "placeholder" characters like in ME2 to play a part of the story (like Ashley/Kaiden), and I'd love to speculate about which characters I liked and would love to return as part of my squad in ME3, but the reality is that Liara is the only real potential candidate that you could bank on to return.



I would even wager that dealing with the Shadow Broker is the avenue in which you would get Liara back into your squad.



If I could choose any character to definitely be in my squad, I would take Legion.

[CRISIS1717]

Wrong TC, you put in each character and just have ME3 check import.

Ex. Did Jack survive? yes

Then implement character and quests

No

Dont implement character and quest



I think we'll have part of the ME2 and ME1 teams together in ME3, especially LIs.

[KainrycKarr]

Daveastation wrote...

I don't know if anyone has said this, but there is only one character that can come back in ME3 for EVERYONE regardless of their ME1 and ME2 outcomes: Liara. Liara is the only character that cannot be dead.

Sure, they can make "placeholder" characters like in ME2 to play a part of the story (like Ashley/Kaiden), and I'd love to speculate about which characters I liked and would love to return as part of my squad in ME3, but the reality is that Liara is the only real potential candidate that you could bank on to return.

I would even wager that dealing with the Shadow Broker is the avenue in which you would get Liara back into your squad.

If I could choose any character to definitely be in my squad, I would take Legion.

And here I didn't think I'd need to post this again.


If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

They have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

The ME2 story revolved around building the greatest team in the galaxy. Just "splitting up" in ME3 would render that story utterly meaningless.

[adriano_c]

The problem with the threadstarter's argument, and all those who make similar ones, is they ignore a simple fact - the character design/implementation is almost completely modular. That is to say, they're easily plugged in and out. No squad member thus far actually plays a necessary role to the main story.



Some are talking about potential dialogue spiraling out of control? Huh? There was almost zero intra-squad conversation, and each had, at best, a one-liner or two for different locales and/or missions. It would only be a problem if for each scenario, every character's presence had to be accounted for/addressed by every other character. The game's just never worked like that.



If you import a save with many party members dead, they simply won't be present in the third game. The load screen even said "your choices may have dire ramifications in ME3". You're "punished" for being a bad player by missing potential content, simple as. Will they introduce possible new members to fill in gaps for those with the bare bones number of members left? Perhaps, but that would likely be at a minimum.



Some might argue that Bioware won't create possibly redundant content because some might not experience it? Again, huh? I've never played as a female Shepard, and I'm sure many others never have either. Didn't stop them from doing the voice work. Some characters (Grunt, Legion) were fully developed even with the possibility of never 'activating them'.



To wrap it up. For every person who might have a character dead, say Mordin, there are simply MANY more people who will be importing a game with him alive. I'd say something like a 9 to 1 ratio, actually.

[Sentox6]

Given the possibility of death, I certainly don't expect squadmates to return in ME3. Consider the transition from ME1 to ME2. Ashley, Kaiden, and Wrex are variables, and as such are relegated to minor roles (as is Liara, but the intention there is obviously to preserve a possible LI). Do people really think that BioWare are suddenly going to reinstate possibly dead characters as fully written squad members?

[NoBrandOnMe]

Everyone is making it seem like it's nearly impossible to have the squad from ME2 in ME3. There won't be recruiting missions and there probably won't be loyalty missions unless they are like ME1(really short). There really isn't that much dialogue for each character. I'm sure if you don't have a game save it will default to everyone surviving and 99% of everyone with a game save will already have everyone alive because it's not like it's hard to not have anyone die on the suicide mission..

[KainrycKarr]

Sentox6 wrote...

Given the possibility of death, I certainly don't expect squadmates to return in ME3. Consider the transition from ME1 to ME2. Ashley, Kaiden, and Wrex are variables, and as such are relegated to minor roles (as is Liara, but the intention there is obviously to preserve a possible LI). Do people really think that BioWare are suddenly going to reinstate possibly dead characters as fully written squad members?

Yes, because Bioware is a competent developer that listens to it's fans, which is supported with evidence.

And, again.

If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

They have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

The ME2 story revolved around building the greatest team in the galaxy. Just "splitting up" in ME3 would render that story utterly meaningless.

[Ghrelt]

I wish people who are miffed about the absence of Liara and Ash/Kaiden as a squadmate would stop making threads like this. They don't make any logical sense.

[Melra]

Yes, since if they don't they'll pretty much make ME2 worthless. Not seeing people from ME2 just because some people don't need them would be really bad for those that are expecting to see them. It's just like snipping the ME2 part completely and adding Kaidan/Ashley and Liara to ME3, if they would've wanted to do it that way, they wouldn't have implemented new characters in ME2. They would've just kept the old ones.

[NoUserNameHere]

Sentox6 wrote...

Given the possibility of death, I certainly don't expect squadmates to return in ME3. Consider the transition from ME1 to ME2. Ashley, Kaiden, and Wrex are variables, and as such are relegated to minor roles (as is Liara, but the intention there is obviously to preserve a possible LI). Do people really think that BioWare are suddenly going to reinstate possibly dead characters as fully written squad members?

Except that the only reason why AshKai has a minor role in ME2 is because they were saving them for ME3.
With no future games to worry about, there is no reason why they couldn't pull out all the stops for ME2 characters.

Hell, there is no magic formula for getting everyone out alive. It is awfully formuliac. If they died, then you just suck and won't have those characters around for the threequel.

[--Master of All--]

Barquiel wrote...

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

no...I don't count on it

Characters can die in ME2 (=cameo role in other Bioware games: see Dragon Age Awakening, Mass Effect 1...fan favorites/LI's or not)
I don't think the devs will punish (only 2-3 available squadmates in ME3) anyone for something they did/did not in ME2, they want to sell their games after all.

Exactly. To say Bioware will probably clear out most/all of your ME2 squad for the finale isn't pessimistic, it's realistic based on past experience with Bioware games and RPGs in general. There's almost always a recruiting period in each RPG storyline where you essentially start out with 1 or 2 characters and build up a squad as you go. Some people will go into ME3 without even having played ME1 or ME2. You think they are going to start the game with a dozen squaddies on their ship they don't even know? The easiest way to accommodate the entire player base (not just the loyal fans like us) is to throw out the old squad and start fresh with new characters for ME3... and maybe Liara and Ash/Kaiden.

Am I particularly happy about this? No. But to me, it is the most realistic scenario.

[Nozybidaj]

Melrache wrote...

They would've just kept the old ones.

The would have been the best and most logical course of action from the start of ME2, I agree.

[KainrycKarr]

--Master of All-- wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

no...I don't count on it

Characters can die in ME2 (=cameo role in other Bioware games: see Dragon Age Awakening, Mass Effect 1...fan favorites/LI's or not)
I don't think the devs will punish (only 2-3 available squadmates in ME3) anyone for something they did/did not in ME2, they want to sell their games after all.

Exactly. To say Bioware will probably clear out most/all of your ME2 squad for the finale isn't pessimistic, it's realistic based on past experience with Bioware games and RPGs in general. There's almost always a recruiting period in each RPG storyline where you essentially start out with 1 or 2 characters and build up a squad as you go. Some people will go into ME3 without even having played ME1 or ME2. You think they are going to start the game with a dozen squaddies on their ship they don't even know? The easiest way to accommodate the entire player base (not just the loyal fans like us) is to throw out the old squad and start fresh with new characters for ME3... and maybe Liara and Ash/Kaiden.

Am I particularly happy about this? No. But to me, it is the most realistic scenario.

.....No, because they'd alienate darn near the entire EXISTING fanbase.

[epoch_]

If they bring back one LI as a squad mate, they need to do it with all of them. It straight up wouldn't be fair otherwise.

[NoBrandOnMe]

--Master of All-- wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

no...I don't count on it

Characters can die in ME2 (=cameo role in other Bioware games: see Dragon Age Awakening, Mass Effect 1...fan favorites/LI's or not)
I don't think the devs will punish (only 2-3 available squadmates in ME3) anyone for something they did/did not in ME2, they want to sell their games after all.

Exactly. To say Bioware will probably clear out most/all of your ME2 squad for the finale isn't pessimistic, it's realistic based on past experience with Bioware games and RPGs in general. There's almost always a recruiting period in each RPG storyline where you essentially start out with 1 or 2 characters and build up a squad as you go. Some people will go into ME3 without even having played ME1 or ME2. You think they are going to start the game with a dozen squaddies on their ship they don't even know? The easiest way to accommodate the entire player base (not just the loyal fans like us) is to throw out the old squad and start fresh with new characters for ME3... and maybe Liara and Ash/Kaiden.

Am I particularly happy about this? No. But to me, it is the most realistic scenario.

They do this and they are losing business from me. Game would suck without Tali being a squad member/LI. 

[--Master of All--]

KainrycKarr wrote...

--Master of All-- wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

no...I don't count on it

Characters can die in ME2 (=cameo role in other Bioware games: see Dragon Age Awakening, Mass Effect 1...fan favorites/LI's or not)
I don't think the devs will punish (only 2-3 available squadmates in ME3) anyone for something they did/did not in ME2, they want to sell their games after all.

Exactly. To say Bioware will probably clear out most/all of your ME2 squad for the finale isn't pessimistic, it's realistic based on past experience with Bioware games and RPGs in general. There's almost always a recruiting period in each RPG storyline where you essentially start out with 1 or 2 characters and build up a squad as you go. Some people will go into ME3 without even having played ME1 or ME2. You think they are going to start the game with a dozen squaddies on their ship they don't even know? The easiest way to accommodate the entire player base (not just the loyal fans like us) is to throw out the old squad and start fresh with new characters for ME3... and maybe Liara and Ash/Kaiden.

Am I particularly happy about this? No. But to me, it is the most realistic scenario.

.....No, because they'd alienate darn near the entire EXISTING fanbase.

Somehow, I think they'd/we'd get over it

Modifié par --Master of All--, 08 février 2010 - 07:55 .

[Melra]

The new player base would probably slip to peek into the two older games anyway. The game isn't straight forward shooter, it wouldn't do much justice to the trilogy if the two prior chapters could be squeezed into 5 min long intro movie. Sure it works for some FPS games where story is irrelevant to most and is there just to give some reason to blow people up, but doesn't work in this case.

[Sentox6]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yes, because Bioware is a competent developer that listens to it's fans, which is supported with evidence.

And, again.

If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

There's what, 11 people or so that could possibly die? Let's examine how many characters with possible deaths in ME1 appeared as squadmates in ME2. Hmmm. None. Nada. Zip.

Sure, BioWare have considerable resources. That's how they made a game as extensive as ME2 with such excellent production values. But what you want is several games worth of content. It will be a ridiculous achievement if it happens, but I'm sure not holding my breath.

They have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

I don't see any mistakes with Liara/Ash/Kaiden. BioWare evidently want them to survive to ME3, and they've kept them on the sidelines for that reason. If they really planned to bring across characters who might perish into full roles, then those three would likely have played bigger roles.

[NoUserNameHere]

--Master of All-- wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

--Master of All-- wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

cashogy wrote...

Don't count on it.

no...I don't count on it

Characters can die in ME2 (=cameo role in other Bioware games: see Dragon Age Awakening, Mass Effect 1...fan favorites/LI's or not)
I don't think the devs will punish (only 2-3 available squadmates in ME3) anyone for something they did/did not in ME2, they want to sell their games after all.

Exactly. To say Bioware will probably clear out most/all of your ME2 squad for the finale isn't pessimistic, it's realistic based on past experience with Bioware games and RPGs in general. There's almost always a recruiting period in each RPG storyline where you essentially start out with 1 or 2 characters and build up a squad as you go. Some people will go into ME3 without even having played ME1 or ME2. You think they are going to start the game with a dozen squaddies on their ship they don't even know? The easiest way to accommodate the entire player base (not just the loyal fans like us) is to throw out the old squad and start fresh with new characters for ME3... and maybe Liara and Ash/Kaiden.

Am I particularly happy about this? No. But to me, it is the most realistic scenario.

.....No, because they'd alienate darn near the entire EXISTING fanbase.

Somehow, I think they'd/we'd get over it

I dunno. They could get over it in the manner which the Bleach fandom "gets over" audacious plot points and pointless villian deaths.
Lets just say that I don't want entire threads dedicated to how Bioware trolled our fandom. They're better than that.

[ArcanistLibram]

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

[Nozybidaj]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I dunno. They could get over it in the manner which the Bleach fandom "gets over" audacious plot points and pointless villian deaths.
Lets just say that I don't want entire threads dedicated to how Bioware trolled our fandom. They're better than that.

There's a couple of Liara (and the other ME1 LI) threads floating around you'd be interested in.

[Nozybidaj]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

[--Master of All--]

Sentox6 wrote...

Let's examine how many characters with possible deaths in ME1 appeared as squadmates in ME2. Hmmm. None. Nada. Zip.

Another excellent, if sarcastic point. I think Bioware plans which charatcers they are going to carry over in advance, and most likely imo, they are the ones that can't die.

Modifié par --Master of All--, 08 février 2010 - 08:05 .