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[KainrycKarr]

Sentox6 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yes, because Bioware is a competent developer that listens to it's fans, which is supported with evidence.

And, again.

If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

There's what, 11 people or so that could possibly die? Let's examine how many characters with possible deaths in ME1 appeared as squadmates in ME2. Hmmm. None. Nada. Zip.

Sure, BioWare have considerable resources. That's how they made a game as extensive as ME2 with such excellent production values. But what you want is several games worth of content. It will be a ridiculous achievement if it happens, but I'm sure not holding my breath.

They have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

I don't see any mistakes with Liara/Ash/Kaiden. BioWare evidently want them to survive to ME3, and they've kept them on the sidelines for that reason. If they really planned to bring across characters who might perish into full roles, then those three would likely have played bigger roles.

Allow me to put it this way then.

Bioware has a history of listening to it's fans.

it's fans have made it very clear that they want the characters(some of them at least) to return, as opposed to new squadmates.

It makes logical sense from a business and storytelling perspective to keep the characters they have, and give closure for the FINAL GAME IN THE TRILOGY.

oh, and the argument about all the resources it would take?

bioware is making a fully voiced-over MMORPG, The Old Republic.

don't try to tell me they can't handle doing some extra VA work for ME3.

[KainrycKarr]

Sentox6 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Yes, because Bioware is a competent developer that listens to it's fans, which is supported with evidence.

And, again.

If X character survived, X character continues as your squadmate for ME3.
IF X character died, they are replaced by Y character as your squadmate for ME3.

Will require a lot of resources. But not even close to impossible. Bioware isn't exactly a small and resource-strapped company.

There's what, 11 people or so that could possibly die? Let's examine how many characters with possible deaths in ME1 appeared as squadmates in ME2. Hmmm. None. Nada. Zip.

Sure, BioWare have considerable resources. That's how they made a game as extensive as ME2 with such excellent production values. But what you want is several games worth of content. It will be a ridiculous achievement if it happens, but I'm sure not holding my breath.

They have also said that how you treated your LI's in ME1/ME2(being faithful/single, etc) will have consequences for ME3. So yes, the LI's will transfer to some extent.

The fan following for certain characters is so huge that not including them in ME3 would be suicide and would hurt sales; it's safe to say that Bioware learned from their Liara and ash/kaidan mistakes.

I don't see any mistakes with Liara/Ash/Kaiden. BioWare evidently want them to survive to ME3, and they've kept them on the sidelines for that reason. If they really planned to bring across characters who might perish into full roles, then those three would likely have played bigger roles.

Allow me to put it this way then.

Bioware has a history of listening to it's fans.

it's fans have made it very clear that they want the characters(some of them at least) to return, as opposed to new squadmates.

It makes logical sense from a business and storytelling perspective to keep the characters they have, and give closure for the FINAL GAME IN THE TRILOGY.

oh, and the argument about all the resources it would take?

bioware is making a fully voiced-over MMORPG, The Old Republic.

don't try to tell me they can't handle doing some extra VA work for ME3.

[NoUserNameHere]

Nozybidaj wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

Except for that part wherein all the survivors are still quite loyal to you, many have nowhere else to go, and the ending makes it perfectly clear that "the war has just begun." 

[--Master of All--]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

--Master of All-- wrote...
Somehow, I think they'd/we'd get over it

I dunno. They could get over it in the manner which the Bleach fandom "gets over" audacious plot points and pointless villian deaths.
Lets just say that I don't want entire threads dedicated to how Bioware trolled our fandom. They're better than that.

I think they're going to get those types of threads no matter what they decide to do.

[jlb524]

Nozybidaj wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

This is true.  It would make sense for some of them to leave.  I'll bring up the old argument that got shoved in the faces of people who wanted the ME1 crew in ME2:  Your squad mates have thier own lives...they can't follow Shepard around forever.

Miranda and Jacob would make the most sense to stay w/ Shepard.  In my game, they resigned from Cerberus and really don't have anywhere else to go.

[Shizly]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

If none of your ME2 squadmates are available in ME3 I wouldn't bother buying the game, because clearly none of the choices you made in the second game had any relevance whatsoever. I wouldn't care at all what happened in ME3 because my decisions had no impact. It would completely disconnect me from the story.

Just saying.

I need to agree with that. I had  the same with ME2. I needed at least one quadmember back. And I got my favorit 2, so i'm ok with it. I have now the same for ME3. I hope Thane comes back now, you can make good missions with him. Like finding a cure (I dont want him too die ) or some merceneries want him dead cause in the past he could someone. But i'm pretty shure that the romance-member wil come back.

ArcanistLibram wrote...
You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

The same is for ME1. Saren is defeted, now the go their owne pad. But still, some came back.

Modifié par Shizly, 08 février 2010 - 08:09 .

[screwoffreg]

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3". The game is meant to be a bit realistic, and if you were such a horrible leader that all but the minimum two squad members died, then you will have to live with a small ME 3 squad. I seriously think this is how Bioware will implement it as it is the only thing that makes sense. ME 2 and its entire ad campaign was about "recruit your team" and recruiting the best in the Galaxy. So now what, ME 3 is about recruiting the second best?

Anyway, it is not hard to keep all your team alive. They basically baby you and tell you exactly how to do it...

Modifié par screwoffreg, 08 février 2010 - 08:06 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

Except for that part wherein all the survivors are still quite loyal to you, many have nowhere else to go, and the ending makes it perfectly clear that "the war has just begun." 

Yeah the only one I could see leaving the team (at the moment) is Zaeed because he was paid to do the mission, though I have to wonder what happens if you don't bother recruiting him till after the suicide mission?

[hawat333]

cashogy wrote...

So after Shepard dies thats it? The Reapers can just come and kill everyone b/c Commander Shepard is the ONLY defense against them? That is a MAJOR plot hole

No, there isn't. It's not even that.

If Shepard dies, that's the end of his story. As the ME3 is third person narrative story, that's it, we don't get to know what happens next, the second act is the end of the story in this case. That's it, and with this type of narrative, it makes complete sense.
In case he dies, the Reapers will either conquer and harvest all organic life... or not. We don't get to find out as the protagonist, whose story we follow, is dead.

[Barquiel]

screwoffreg wrote...

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3".

right, because my ME1 decisions had dire consequences in ME 2...

[Voicebox]

Its quite simple how they do it actually. They make all the quests and storylines for all 11 characters and then if they died in your game they don't include that characters quests and storylines. In ME 1 you didn't even have to pick up wrex or talk to him.

Now your saying, oh but thats too much work for bioware. They made quests and storylines for all 11 in ME 2 why would it be hard to do it for ME 3??? Think about it. If they die you can't do their quest if they live they can be in your squad. Simple as that.Now Some people might have everyone in their squad dead, well Bioware thought about that didn't they. Whats the maximum number of people you can take with you? 2 oh Liara and whoever you saved Kaiden and Ashley. It would be a pretty sparse game but thats how you played it in Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Voicebox, 08 février 2010 - 08:11 .

[--Master of All--]

screwoffreg wrote...

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3". The game is meant to be a bit realistic, and if you were such a horrible leader that all but the minimum two squad members died, then you will have to live with a small ME 3 squad. I seriously think this is how Bioware will implement it as it is the only thing that makes sense. ME 2 and its entire ad campaign was about "recruit your team" and recruiting the best in the Galaxy. So now what, ME 3 is about recruiting the second best?

Anyway, it is not hard to keep all your team alive. They basically baby you and tell you exactly how to do it...

I do agree with you that it's an odd story choice to spend 95% of a game recruiting "the best in the galaxy" to throw them all away for the sequel. But, I don't think that will stop them from doing it.

[NoUserNameHere]

Barquiel wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3".

right, because my ME1 decisions had dire consequences in ME 2...

The situation has changed. ME's trilogy status was in question back then. It is no longer a problem.

That, and ME3 is the end of the trilogy, so there is no reason why ME1 and 2s choices wouldn't begin to snowball into bigger deals.

[Melra]

Barquiel wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3".

right, because my ME1 decisions had dire consequences in ME 2...

Well I don't remember them advertising that those decisions had so dire consequences. For ME2 they did and they keep reminding about it through out the game on loading screens.

[screwoffreg]

Barquiel wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3".

right, because my ME1 decisions had dire consequences in ME 2...

Well, ME 1 consequences will have a big effect on ME 3.  The Rachni, love interests, and various other things that are building up...

[Nozybidaj]

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

This is true.  It would make sense for some of them to leave.  I'll bring up the old argument that got shoved in the faces of people who wanted the ME1 crew in ME2:  Your squad mates have thier own lives...they can't follow Shepard around forever.

Miranda and Jacob would make the most sense to stay w/ Shepard.  In my game, they resigned from Cerberus and really don't have anywhere else to go.

Exactly, these characters don't owe Shepard anything really, they all have their own lives.

Samara has her job as a Justicar to return to and even talks about going back to Omega once the mission is over.

Thane will probably be dead by ME3 due to his disease.  

Grunt would want to return to his people and help out Wrex in rebuilding the Krogan.

SuZe isn't going to just continue hanging out with a bunch of ex Cerberus and military people, she has "edgy" stuff to go do. 

Mordin is pretty old for a Salarian and probably (depending on your Shep) wants to spend what time he has left working on the Genophage cure. 

Tali just lost her father and will probably assume a rank of some importance among the Quarians assuming you didn't get her exiled. 

Zaeed will be off doing his bounty hunter thing. 

Miranda would probably want to go establish familial bonds with her sister.

Legion would most likely want to return to his people and upload all his new collected data.

Realy the only people that would have nothing better to do than to just keeping free loading on the Normandy would be Garrus and Jacob.  That is of course assuming all of them live.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 08 février 2010 - 08:16 .

[NoBrandOnMe]

Idk if you all have realised but the fan base is waay to big for some of these characters. Tali alone in the past few days has gotten one thread up to page 280(almost 10000 posts) and another that has 147 pages. To say these fans will just "get over it" is a joke. You ALL are way to focused on being negative that you don't see that if there isn't any recruiting and the squad is already loyal how many resources are they wasting on bringing back these characters? Just a few dialogue responses here and there.. Besides like I said before, you have no game save everyone from suicide mission survives you do have a game save and you actually let someone die..That's your fault. You still have ME1 character's to play with.

[NeoGuardian86]

i'll drop this in this thread.



http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/



"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?



* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.



The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

[bobito64]

NoBrandOnMe wrote...

bobito64 wrote...

This squad was recruited for one mission only. It is highly unlikely that they will still be around for the next. Cameo appearances by some of them perhaps, but that's all.The only two characters that were squadmates in both ME 1 and 2 were ones that could not die in the first game. For that reason, I suspect that the most likely return party member in ME3 is Liara.

So you are saying we if none of our squad died we will get a nice cameo appearance from 11 ME2 squadies and 2-3 ME1 squadies while each and every one of them have an excuse to not help save the galaxy? Unless everyone just dies.. its highly doubted.

No, I did not say that. I said that SOME of the ME2 characters may get get a cameo appearance as NPCs, not all 11. Nor did I say you would have "2-3 ME1 squaddies". I said that, since Liara is the only party member guaranteed to survive through to ME3, she was the MOST LIKELY to return.

It is possible that one or two party members from ME2 have been pencilled in to ME3. If that is the case then I suspect that they cannot die in ME2 unless Shepard does. I don't know if there are any characters for whom that's true. You'd need to play the game through a lot of times to find out.

[DarchAngelDavid]

I will just say this. They would not have put it in this game and advertised in the game mind you that your actions will affect ME3 if they were not ready for the possible outcomes. I am sure by the time this game was heading toward finale production the writers were well into ME3 knowing what their job was. I will have faith in Bio Ware to live up to thier brand.

[Melra]

NeoGuardian86 wrote...

i'll drop this in this thread.

http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

<3 Thank you very much. Thats all I wanted to hear.

[screwoffreg]

Why would the entire squad go back to "normal everyday stuff" when the Reaper fleet, the literal destruction of civilization, is a year away from the galaxy? You just go, welp, ho hum now that the Collectors are dead I better take a six month vacation!!!

[KainrycKarr]

NeoGuardian86 wrote...

i'll drop this in this thread.

http://ve3tro.com/7261/mass-effect-2-casey-hudson-interview/

"Mass Effect 3 has been reported to already be in the planning stages. What things would you like to see improved from the end of the development cycle of Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3?

* I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it.

The other part though is really down to the feedback we’ll get from fans having played Mass Effect 2. That’s going to be our biggest focus is understanding the way people play our games and trying to make them better based on what they say about them. "

Thread is now over.

[--Master of All--]

Barquiel wrote...

screwoffreg wrote...

lol, to those saying Bioware wont "punish you" for losing your team, they basically put it in your face that "ME 2 decisions could have DIRE consequences in ME 3".

right, because my ME1 decisions had dire consequences in ME 2...

Right, based on what we've seen already, we can be fairly certain that things like the Rachni, the decision to keep/destory the collector base, the status of the council etc. will have little bearing on the plot of ME3. The same goes for squad members that can be dead or alive. Keep in mind, Tali was an optional character in ME2. We didn't even have to recruit her. She can also be dead...

Not looking too good for her or anyone else from your ME2 party, imo.

[NoBrandOnMe]

Nozybidaj wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

ME2 is all about recruiting a squad. I would be extremely disappointed if I didn't get to keep it.

You recruited a squad to go on a suicide mission.  The mission is over.

This is true.  It would make sense for some of them to leave.  I'll bring up the old argument that got shoved in the faces of people who wanted the ME1 crew in ME2:  Your squad mates have thier own lives...they can't follow Shepard around forever.

Miranda and Jacob would make the most sense to stay w/ Shepard.  In my game, they resigned from Cerberus and really don't have anywhere else to go.

Exactly, these characters don't owe Shepard anything really, they all have their own lives.

Samara has her job as a Justicar to return to and even talks about going back to Omega once the mission is over.  
Thane will probably be dead by ME3 due to his disease.  

Grunt would want to return to his people and help out Wrex in rebuilding the Krogan.

SuZe isn't going to just continue hanging out with a bunch of ex Cerberus and military people, she has "edgy" stuff to go do. 

Mordin is pretty old for a Salarian and probably (depending on your Shep) wants to spend what time he has left working on the Genophage cure. 

Tali just lost her father and will probably assume a rank of some importance among the Quarians assuming you didn't get her exiled. 

Zaeed will be off doing his bounty hunter thing. 

Miranda would probably want to go establish familial bonds with her sister.

Legion would most likely want to return to his people and upload all his new collected data.

Realy the only people that would have nothing better to do than to just keeping free loading on the Normandy would be Garrus and Jacob.  That is of course assuming all of them live.

Gah lame excuses again?
Like I said.. Nearly everyone has promised somewhere through the story to stay and help until the reaper threat is over..