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[VaeVictus X]

The only fact I see is that your opinion differs.

[Bullets McDeath]

It's a common mistake.



It's also a word for a magical creature that does not exist.



Just repeat to yourself "it's only a game, i should really just relax"

[bzombo]

errant_knight wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

Korvayer wrote...

supernovashadow wrote...

Maybe that's just how they pronounce it in Britain [corrected].

Here's an interesting question. Which came first?
a) Canadian English
 American English
c) British English

End of thread.

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... or is it that you think When the Mayflower got there they were greeted in English by the Spanish and the Natives :/

Er, 'c.'

I can't say I actually noticed how they pronounced golem, myself. Maybe I was thinking about other things--like not letting them kill me. Of course, the way you're describing the pronunciation isn't a way I've ever heard. North American game, North American pronunciation. Not so surprising.

us north americans pronounce it with a long 'o'.

[AlanC9]

Fumbleumble wrote...

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... 

Sure, but the definitive answer isn't what most people think it is. British Received Pronunciation is a relative newcomer. Some regional American dialects preserve Elizabethan speech far more accurately than this. Even standard American is closer to Shakespeare's English than what's currently spoken in (most of) the UK.

As for "golem," I guess the Thedas pronunciation is established now.

[bzombo]

Fumbleumble wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

Korvayer wrote...

supernovashadow wrote...

Maybe that's just how they pronounce it in Britain [corrected].

Here's an interesting question. Which came first?
a) Canadian English
 American English
c) British English

End of thread.

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... or is it that you think When the Mayflower got there they were greeted in English by the Spanish and the Natives :/

Er, 'c.'

I can't say I actually noticed how they pronounced golem, myself. Maybe I was thinking about other things--like not letting them kill me. Of course, the way you're describing the pronunciation isn't a way I've ever heard. North American game, North American pronunciation. Not so surprising.

American pronunciation has nothing to do with it in this case.. it's just been said wrong.... Gollum and Golem are not the same words and neither are they said the same way... for anyone. :/

Edit.. and you do realise that my answer discounted A and B. :/.

you strike me as a linguistics major.  and what is this with american pronunciation of golem? we say with a long 'o' too. maybe it is a canadian thing then. or maybe the crazies in california say with a short 'o'.

[Faffnr]

VaeVictus X wrote...

There is only one word relevant to this discussion. Golem. The pronunciation of Gollum doesn't matter. And while I agree that the present day pronunciation doesn't seem correct to me, since I've always said it the same as you, I realize that the game doesn't take place in our world. So I don't let it bother me. Why should it? Think of it as an accent if you want. It's just how they say it. As long as it's consistent, I see no problem with it.

Seeing that the pronunciation isn't consistent even in the real world it doesn't even matter if it is in the game.  However, seeing that it is consistent in the game then the game pronunciation would be correct for Fereldan.

[Fumbleumble]

VaeVictus X wrote...

There is only one word relevant to this discussion. Golem. The pronunciation of Gollum doesn't matter. And while I agree that the present day pronunciation doesn't seem correct to me, since I've always said it the same as you, I realize that the game doesn't take place in our world. So I don't let it bother me. Why should it? Think of it as an accent if you want. It's just how they say it. As long as it's consistent, I see no problem with it.

No.. the fact is that 'Golem' has only been said one way.. and now that it's been mispronouced every one is rallying round to say how much it isn't wrong..:/

It's called the internet.. and on it you have people arguing that black is white.

[VaeVictus X]

Faffnr wrote...

Seeing that the pronunciation isn't consistent even in the real world it doesn't even matter if it is in the game.  However, seeing that it is consistent in the game then the game pronunciation would be correct for Fereldan.

Exactly.

[Flamesz]

Fumbleumble wrote...

nope.. there's only one correct pronunciation of it.... you can of course say it other ways, but that doesn't make it correct.

Bull****. I'l say it how i like, everyone says it how they like.

[Fumbleumble]

bzombo wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

Korvayer wrote...

supernovashadow wrote...

Maybe that's just how they pronounce it in Britain [corrected].

Here's an interesting question. Which came first?
a) Canadian English
 American English
c) British English

End of thread.

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... or is it that you think When the Mayflower got there they were greeted in English by the Spanish and the Natives :/

Er, 'c.'

I can't say I actually noticed how they pronounced golem, myself. Maybe I was thinking about other things--like not letting them kill me. Of course, the way you're describing the pronunciation isn't a way I've ever heard. North American game, North American pronunciation. Not so surprising.

American pronunciation has nothing to do with it in this case.. it's just been said wrong.... Gollum and Golem are not the same words and neither are they said the same way... for anyone. :/

Edit.. and you do realise that my answer discounted A and B. :/.

you strike me as a linguistics major.  and what is this with american pronunciation of golem? we say with a long 'o' too. maybe it is a canadian thing then. or maybe the crazies in california say with a short 'o'.

My apologies .. but it was offered as an excuse as to how I was wrong, that's why I said that.

[VaeVictus X]

Fumbleumble wrote...

No.. the fact is that 'Golem' has only been said one way.. and now that it's been mispronouced every one is rallying round to say how much it isn't wrong..:/

It's called the internet.. and on it you have people arguing that black is white.

What makes you think Golem has only ever been said one way?  Are you suddenly an authority on the origin of the word and the entirety of human history in all regions of the english speaking world from the time of the word's inception until today?  No?  Then you have no point.

Modifié par VaeVictus X, 08 février 2010 - 07:05 .

[errant_knight]

AlanC9 wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... 

Sure, but the definitive answer isn't what most people think it is. British Received Pronunciation is a relative newcomer. Some regional American dialects preserve Elizabethan speech far more accurately than this. Even standard American is closer to Shakespeare's English than what's currently spoken in (most of) the UK.

As for "golem," I guess the Thedas pronunciation is established now.

Well, this is completely true, most notably, the english in the mountains of West Virginia, and parts of the east coast of Canada. Interesting, isn't it? I've also heard, that barring modern slang, the french spoken in Quebec is the closest to pre-revolutionary french that exists.

When I said 'c', I wasn't referring to to modern British, but rather the fact that no english was spoken in America or Canada before it was spoken in Britain. That has no bearing on it's correctness as compared with other dialects.

[Fumbleumble]

Flamesz wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

nope.. there's only one correct pronunciation of it.... you can of course say it other ways, but that doesn't make it correct.

Bull****. I'l say it how i like, everyone says it how they like.

But then it's not English, and it's all in your head

[VaeVictus X]

Fumbleumble wrote...

But then it's not English, and it's all in your head

If it's spoken, how could it be in his head?

[bzombo]

Fumbleumble wrote...

bzombo wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Fumbleumble wrote...

Korvayer wrote...

supernovashadow wrote...

Maybe that's just how they pronounce it in Britain [corrected].

Here's an interesting question. Which came first?
a) Canadian English
 American English
c) British English

End of thread.

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... or is it that you think When the Mayflower got there they were greeted in English by the Spanish and the Natives :/

Er, 'c.'

I can't say I actually noticed how they pronounced golem, myself. Maybe I was thinking about other things--like not letting them kill me. Of course, the way you're describing the pronunciation isn't a way I've ever heard. North American game, North American pronunciation. Not so surprising.

American pronunciation has nothing to do with it in this case.. it's just been said wrong.... Gollum and Golem are not the same words and neither are they said the same way... for anyone. :/

Edit.. and you do realise that my answer discounted A and B. :/.

you strike me as a linguistics major.  and what is this with american pronunciation of golem? we say with a long 'o' too. maybe it is a canadian thing then. or maybe the crazies in california say with a short 'o'.

My apologies .. but it was offered as an excuse as to how I was wrong, that's why I said that.

haha! no problem. i just find it strange that we're being blamed for how a word is pronounced. i was a bit confused. i say golem with a long 'o', as do all my friends and anyone i've ever heard say the word until i heard it said in the game. i figured it was a canadian thing. we pretty much blame everything on canada anyway around here.

[AlanC9]

It occurs to me that the pronunciation of golem is drifting because it came back into the language as a sort of non sequitur. Before D&D came along, anyone who had any reason to talk about a golem probably was only a couple of degrees of separation away from someone who knew the correct pronunciation. But suddenly a whole lot of people needed the word who never had before, and IIRC the AD&D Monster Manual didn't have pronunciations. A long O there is pretty atypical for an English word, so it's not surprising that people who didn't know better would say "gollem."

I'm not sure the correct pronunciation can be saved anymore.

Edit: actually, I'm not sure which O sound is more typical. It might be completely random.

Modifié par AlanC9, 08 février 2010 - 07:14 .

[Fumbleumble]

errant_knight wrote...


When I said 'c', I wasn't referring to to modern British, but rather the fact that no english was spoken in America or Canada before it was spoken in Britain. That has no bearing on it's correctness as compared with other dialects.

which is what my answer meant....

I can't say I agree with the other points though unless we accept that all other versions of all other languages are currently correct also... and this is definitively untrue as we are neither taught them as language in use, nor are we all saying 'thee' and 'thou'.. we have to accept that there comes a time in a language development that it is superceeded by a current version and that previous versions become archaic and unused.. therefore currently incorrect... but saying this, there is no evidence that Golem was pronounced otherwise in the past either, although admittedly other words were, and have evolved.

Modifié par Fumbleumble, 08 février 2010 - 07:16 .

[bzombo]

AlanC9 wrote...

It occurs to me that the pronunciation of golem is drifting because it came back into the language as a sort of non sequitur. Before D&D came along, anyone who had any reason to talk about a golem probably was only a couple of degrees of separation away from someone who knew the correct pronunciation. But suddenly a whole lot of people needed the word who never had before, and IIRC the AD&D Monster Manual didn't have pronunciations. A long O there is pretty atypical for an English word, so it's not surprising that people who didn't know better would say "gollem."

I'm not sure the correct pronunciation can be saved anymore.

we don't got them there long 'o's in these here parts. they done confuse us amer'cans too much. we prefer one silabul werds. yee haw!

[marbatico]

perhaps its correct to pronounce it with a long o (wich sounds more logical) but i guess its just a referrence to gollum from LotR. as all of you no doubt know, alot of games make references to games/movies.

[VaeVictus X]

Perhaps. I did find a Jason and the Argonauts reference... But it really doesn't matter as long as the pronunciation is consistent.

[AlanC9]

Fumbleumble wrote...
I can't say I agree with the other points though unless we accept that all other versions of all other languages are currently correct also... and this is definitively untrue as we are neither taught them as language in use, nor are we all saying 'thee' and 'thou'.. we have to accept that there comes a time in a language development that it is superceeded by a current version and that previous versions become archaic and unused.. therefore currently incorrect... 

That might mean that the short-o pronunciation of golem will become correct in time.

[GammaRayJim]

Well Merriam-Webster allows for 3 pronunciations the long o, the short o and also a goi version which is Yiddish. So I guess everyone is correct...and life is good.



http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/golem

[Fumbleumble]

VaeVictus X wrote...

Perhaps. I did find a Jason and the Argonauts reference... But it really doesn't matter as long as the pronunciation is consistent.

It does matter... otherwise it's completely pointless to have language rules....why even bother having a written langauge that equates to the spoken work.. why not just have two different languages.

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing... and BTW you're wrong.....

I originally only pointed this out as in oddity... but the amount of people rallying around and throwing out excuses as to how it's not actually wrong (in their heads!!).. it really quite annoying and exasperating.

People en masse are idiots.

[AlanC9]

Better look at the post over yours, Fumbleumble. Game over, man.

[VaeVictus X]

GammaRayJim wrote...

Well Merriam-Webster allows for 3 pronunciations the long o, the short o and also a goi version which is Yiddish. So I guess everyone is correct...and life is good.

http://www.merriam-w...ictionary/golem

lol

Yay for closure.