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[Kwanzaabot]

I thought it was "goy-lem".

[Wicked 702]

Domcor wrote...

Cent, the first: This is Ferelden, not England (where we invented the language you so masterfully butcher and mispronounce over there in America). Even so, it doesn't matter how it is pronounced here or even in Washington or Vancouver. I say tomato, you say tomayto... we don't start a thread on vegetables weekly's forum about it

That made me laugh. I think I'll go watch Snatch again just to sell how much better the Brits are at using English. I still can't figure out if that ganster's name is actually "Errol" or "Harrold." But regardless, that's called having different dialects and using slang. (And don't get started on me because it's just a movie. Does that mean that whenever I watch an American gangster movie with characters speaking ebonics I should discount that as fake as well? Or should I lean my head out the window and hear my neighbors speaking it?)

If you want "purity" in your language you could go the French route and establishes an Academie Anglais. Now THAT would be a riot.....

Modifié par Wicked 702, 08 février 2010 - 11:01 .

[Dam Wookie]

What a complete and total pile of rubbish. There numerous pronunciations of numerous words in the English language in Britain. You don't even have to cross the countries and counties and listen to the likes of Goardie, cockney, Cornish, Bristolian, Liverpudlian, Manc, Yorkshire, Irish or Welsh to hear the difference. It can be dramatic after only a ten minute walk. If anything the word should have multiple pronunciations based on the distance travelled throughout the game and the lack of broadcast media such as television forming a fake standard (in the UK's case made up to try to create a posh south east English that had enough clarity that other areas could follow it). There has never been and never will be a right or wrong way to pronounce a word based on it's spelling. What there is is a general attempt to create a guide on how a word is pronounced. Only a complete f*ckwit would mistake a guide for a concrete rule. Half the time and a's e's i's, o's, u's and y's of one person are a blended reverse of another. English isn't a computer language. It does not have a concrete syntax. Oh wait some dumb ass American thinks there is a correct way to say a word. Just because you all sound like Homer Simpson doesn't mean everyone who speaks English does. Now jog on and do what you do best, go and invade another country and "free" them by building them a McDonalds.

[Creature 1]

Wicked 702 wrote...
If you want "purity" in your language you could go the French route and establishes an Academie Anglais. Now THAT would be a riot.....

Ain't gonna happen. 

[TheRealIncarnal]

Really? I was under the impression that "Goal-em" was an archaic mispronunciation based on the Hebrew origin, while "Gol-em" or "Go-lem" are the actual correct pronunciation. I forget which one is actually correct, but I say "Gol-em".

[Godak]

Dam Wookie wrote...

What a complete and total pile of rubbish. There numerous pronunciations of numerous words in the English language in Britain. You don't even have to cross the countries and counties and listen to the likes of Goardie, cockney, Cornish, Bristolian, Liverpudlian, Manc, Yorkshire, Irish or Welsh to hear the difference. It can be dramatic after only a ten minute walk. If anything the word should have multiple pronunciations based on the distance travelled throughout the game and the lack of broadcast media such as television forming a fake standard (in the UK's case made up to try to create a posh south east English that had enough clarity that other areas could follow it). There has never been and never will be a right or wrong way to pronounce a word based on it's spelling. What there is is a general attempt to create a guide on how a word is pronounced. Only a complete f*ckwit would mistake a guide for a concrete rule. Half the time and a's e's i's, o's, u's and y's of one person are a blended reverse of another. English isn't a computer language. It does not have a concrete syntax. Oh wait some dumb ass American thinks there is a correct way to say a word. Just because you all sound like Homer Simpson doesn't mean everyone who speaks English does. Now jog on and do what you do best, go and invade another country and "free" them by building them a McDonalds.

Somebody didn't drink their tea this morning...

[errant_knight]

Dam Wookie wrote...

What a complete and total pile of rubbish. There numerous pronunciations of numerous words in the English language in Britain. You don't even have to cross the countries and counties and listen to the likes of Goardie, cockney, Cornish, Bristolian, Liverpudlian, Manc, Yorkshire, Irish or Welsh to hear the difference. It can be dramatic after only a ten minute walk. If anything the word should have multiple pronunciations based on the distance travelled throughout the game and the lack of broadcast media such as television forming a fake standard (in the UK's case made up to try to create a posh south east English that had enough clarity that other areas could follow it). There has never been and never will be a right or wrong way to pronounce a word based on it's spelling. What there is is a general attempt to create a guide on how a word is pronounced. Only a complete f*ckwit would mistake a guide for a concrete rule. Half the time and a's e's i's, o's, u's and y's of one person are a blended reverse of another. English isn't a computer language. It does not have a concrete syntax. Oh wait some dumb ass American thinks there is a correct way to say a word. Just because you all sound like Homer Simpson doesn't mean everyone who speaks English does. Now jog on and do what you do best, go and invade another country and "free" them by building them a McDonalds.

Wow. You really hate Americans. huh? That just came spewing out all 'over the top'.... I thought only the OP got this upset over pronunciation, but that's way worse. You actually managed to get a nationalistic diatribe out of it. Condemning a whole country in a rant, a country which may or may not be the country of origin of the OP, because you don't like the subject ot their thread is a tad on the stabity-stab-stab side, y'know...

Modifié par errant_knight, 09 février 2010 - 02:34 .

[Wicked 702]

Dam Wookie wrote...

What a complete and total pile of rubbish. There numerous pronunciations of numerous words in the English language in Britain. You don't even have to cross the countries and counties and listen to the likes of Goardie, cockney, Cornish, Bristolian, Liverpudlian, Manc, Yorkshire, Irish or Welsh to hear the difference. It can be dramatic after only a ten minute walk. If anything the word should have multiple pronunciations based on the distance travelled throughout the game and the lack of broadcast media such as television forming a fake standard (in the UK's case made up to try to create a posh south east English that had enough clarity that other areas could follow it). There has never been and never will be a right or wrong way to pronounce a word based on it's spelling. What there is is a general attempt to create a guide on how a word is pronounced. Only a complete f*ckwit would mistake a guide for a concrete rule. Half the time and a's e's i's, o's, u's and y's of one person are a blended reverse of another. English isn't a computer language. It does not have a concrete syntax. Oh wait some dumb ass American thinks there is a correct way to say a word. Just because you all sound like Homer Simpson doesn't mean everyone who speaks English does. Now jog on and do what you do best, go and invade another country and "free" them by building them a McDonalds.

If you're REAL lucky we'll come for you next.

[Atcherseid]

Dam Wookie wrote...

What a complete and total pile of rubbish. There numerous pronunciations of numerous words in the English language in Britain. You don't even have to cross the countries and counties and listen to the likes of Goardie, cockney, Cornish, Bristolian, Liverpudlian, Manc, Yorkshire, Irish or Welsh to hear the difference. It can be dramatic after only a ten minute walk. If anything the word should have multiple pronunciations based on the distance travelled throughout the game and the lack of broadcast media such as television forming a fake standard (in the UK's case made up to try to create a posh south east English that had enough clarity that other areas could follow it). There has never been and never will be a right or wrong way to pronounce a word based on it's spelling. What there is is a general attempt to create a guide on how a word is pronounced. Only a complete f*ckwit would mistake a guide for a concrete rule. Half the time and a's e's i's, o's, u's and y's of one person are a blended reverse of another. English isn't a computer language. It does not have a concrete syntax. Oh wait some dumb ass American thinks there is a correct way to say a word. Just because you all sound like Homer Simpson doesn't mean everyone who speaks English does. Now jog on and do what you do best, go and invade another country and "free" them by building them a McDonalds.

Coming from a place that thinks "Cholmondeley" is pronounced "Chumley" and Lord Byron's "Don Juan" is "Don Joo-ann."

[Sylixe]

I now pronounce this guy the OFFICIAL grammar **** of the inter webs. Maybe that's how they pronounce the word in Fereldin dialect?



I would also suggest never going to Canada or England.

[Atcherseid]

Sylixe wrote...

I now pronounce this guy the OFFICIAL grammar **** of the inter webs. Maybe that's how they pronounce the word in Fereldin dialect?

Careful using the word "pronounce." The bleeding nutter might go barmy!

[Wicked 702]

Creature 1 wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...
If you want "purity" in your language you could go the French route and establishes an Academie Anglais. Now THAT would be a riot.....

Ain't gonna happen. 

Thank Buddha!

Or else it ain't gonna be possible to use ain't anymore.....

Modifié par Wicked 702, 09 février 2010 - 01:52 .

[grieferbastard]

I was raised in the Pacific Northwest. I have an accent; I have a tendency to pronounce 'roof' as 'ruff'. I have nothing but empathy for a language freak going to Boston - which the locals pronounce as 'Bahsten'. Or a vist to Berlin, Maine. Which is pronounced 'Burlin'. We spell 'Four' with a 'u' and 'forty' with only an 'o'. Brave used to mean cowardly and counterfit used to mean a legitimate copy. Garble meant to sort out and a harlot referred to a boy. Petroleum is a combination of greek and latin root words. Trusteeship is a nordic stem, a french affix and an Old English root.  English is laiden with words taken from other languages over time and their pronunciation changed. Not to mention those who've changed over time, until recently all 'oo' words in english were pronounced to rhyme with 'food'. Blood, good, stood, flood, etc.

I recommend the book 'Mother Tongue' by Bill Bryson if the topic interests you. As to 'Golem' in the game, you can say it was pronounced with an accent but that accent is the one commonly accepted in english-speaking countries. The only way to pronounce something 'wrong' is if you are unable to convey the term you were attempting to convey. They didn't pronounce it 'wrong'. No more so than pretty much every human being on earth who speaks their native tongue with an accent driven by their local environs is wrong. You can say that they did not pronounce the term in keeping with its hebrew root - but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate linguist who says that accents are 'wrong'. Golem is getting assimiliated into English thanks to more modern media. With that the pronunciation is morphing towards a 'gah-lem'.

If that makes you cry on the inside, well I'm not sure what to tell you. All spoken languages have been morphing their vowels for as long as we've bothered to track pronunciation and spelling. Especially english. A flexible language, people who speak it tend to abuse it like an elven maiden in the hands of a Ferelden noble.

In the words of the great philosopher 'Terrible' Terry Tate, "This ain't new, baby!"

[errant_knight]

Double Post....

Modifié par errant_knight, 09 février 2010 - 02:31 .

[errant_knight]

Sylixe wrote...

I now pronounce this guy the OFFICIAL grammar **** of the inter webs. Maybe that's how they pronounce the word in Fereldin dialect?

I would also suggest never going to Canada or England.

Hey! What did Canada do?

grieferbastard wrote...

I was raised in the Pacific Northwest. I have an accent; I have a tendency to pronounce 'roof' as 'ruff'. I have nothing but empathy for a language freak going to Boston - which the locals pronounce as 'Bahsten'. Or a vist to Berlin, Maine. Which is pronounced 'Burlin'. We spell 'Four' with a 'u' and 'forty' with only an 'o'. Brave used to mean cowardly and counterfit used to mean a legitimate copy. Garble meant to sort out and a harlot referred to a boy. Petroleum is a combination of greek and latin root words. Trusteeship is a nordic stem, a french affix and an Old English root.  English is laiden with words taken from other languages over time and their pronunciation changed. Not to mention those who've changed over time, until recently all 'oo' words in english were pronounced to rhyme with 'food'. Blood, good, stood, flood, etc.

I recommend the book 'Mother Tongue' by Bill Bryson if the topic interests you. As to 'Golem' in the game, you can say it was pronounced with an accent but that accent is the one commonly accepted in english-speaking countries. The only way to pronounce something 'wrong' is if you are unable to convey the term you were attempting to convey. They didn't pronounce it 'wrong'. No more so than pretty much every human being on earth who speaks their native tongue with an accent driven by their local environs is wrong. You can say that they did not pronounce the term in keeping with its hebrew root - but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate linguist who says that accents are 'wrong'. Golem is getting assimiliated into English thanks to more modern media. With that the pronunciation is morphing towards a 'gah-lem'.

If that makes you cry on the inside, well I'm not sure what to tell you. All spoken languages have been morphing their vowels for as long as we've bothered to track pronunciation and spelling. Especially english. A flexible language, people who speak it tend to abuse it like an elven maiden in the hands of a Ferelden noble.

In the words of the great philosopher 'Terrible' Terry Tate, "This ain't new, baby!"

Thanks for the book rec! I find the topic very interesting, well, the topic of language, not the topic of getting bent out of shape.

[Wicked 702]

errant_knight wrote...

Thanks for the book rec! I find the topic very interesting, well, the topic of language, not the topic of getting bent out of shape.

Well, um, some people like getting bent out of shape from time-to-time.....i mean......oh, nevermind.

[Atcherseid]

grieferbastard wrote...

I was raised in the Pacific Northwest. I have an accent; I have a tendency to pronounce 'roof' as 'ruff'. I have nothing but empathy for a language freak going to Boston - which the locals pronounce as 'Bahsten'. Or a vist to Berlin, Maine. Which is pronounced 'Burlin'. We spell 'Four' with a 'u' and 'forty' with only an 'o'. Brave used to mean cowardly and counterfit used to mean a legitimate copy. Garble meant to sort out and a harlot referred to a boy. Petroleum is a combination of greek and latin root words. Trusteeship is a nordic stem, a french affix and an Old English root.  English is laiden with words taken from other languages over time and their pronunciation changed. Not to mention those who've changed over time, until recently all 'oo' words in english were pronounced to rhyme with 'food'. Blood, good, stood, flood, etc.

I recommend the book 'Mother Tongue' by Bill Bryson if the topic interests you. As to 'Golem' in the game, you can say it was pronounced with an accent but that accent is the one commonly accepted in english-speaking countries. The only way to pronounce something 'wrong' is if you are unable to convey the term you were attempting to convey. They didn't pronounce it 'wrong'. No more so than pretty much every human being on earth who speaks their native tongue with an accent driven by their local environs is wrong. You can say that they did not pronounce the term in keeping with its hebrew root - but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a legitimate linguist who says that accents are 'wrong'. Golem is getting assimiliated into English thanks to more modern media. With that the pronunciation is morphing towards a 'gah-lem'.

If that makes you cry on the inside, well I'm not sure what to tell you. All spoken languages have been morphing their vowels for as long as we've bothered to track pronunciation and spelling. Especially english. A flexible language, people who speak it tend to abuse it like an elven maiden in the hands of a Ferelden noble.

In the words of the great philosopher 'Terrible' Terry Tate, "This ain't new, baby!"

Interesting. And if you go to Versailles, Indiana, the folks there pronounce it "Ver-sails." If you go to Cairo, Illinois, you're in "Kay-roe."

[kdawgmaster]

Fumbleumble wrote...

Korvayer wrote...

supernovashadow wrote...

Maybe that's just how they pronounce it in Britain [corrected].

Here's an interesting question. Which came first?
a) Canadian English
 American English
c) British English

End of thread.

Are you being serious or do you just ask silly questions?.... you do realise that this question has a definative answer and isn't open ended like the 'chicken and the egg' question...... or is it that you think When the Mayflower got there they were greeted in English by the Spanish and the Natives :/

there is not such thing as a silly quetion

[metatheurgist]

Engish is a silly language. It's well known that over time people truncate the pronunciation of words because they're more interested in spitting the word out than saying it right. As long as they get the meaning and intent across.

As for the main complaint about how we should pronounce Go-lem because it doesn't have an extra L. Just how do you pronounce "Knife"?

Silent "K" . WTF? K is one of the harshest sounds in the English language. It's like having a subtle bear.

Silly language.

Modifié par metatheurgist, 09 février 2010 - 03:02 .

[errant_knight]

Wicked 702 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Thanks for the book rec! I find the topic very interesting, well, the topic of language, not the topic of getting bent out of shape.

Well, um, some people like getting bent out of shape from time-to-time.....i mean......oh, nevermind.

 I'm just...not going to ask.

[cmathews03]

Wait! It isn't pronounced "kuh-nife?!" Damn it!

[NinjaKingKiller]

Umm it can be pronounced Goal-lem or Gall-em it doesnt matter

[Raven Snow]

I don't have a particular opinion on this thread, I don't see how it matters how the word is said... I can have a conversation where I come from and then listen to the same conversation in Birmingham and the dialect and accent make the same words sound completely different ... that doesn't make the words WRONG...



However what I have noticed after reading 1 and a half pages of this babble, is that Fumbleumble seems to have decided in advance that he is correct and nothing that anybody else says is going to change that. In fact, nobody else is allowed a different opinion unless they want to be completely and utterly wrong! and that's not how language, from any continent or origin works.

[Draelorn]

The whole idea of a proper english pronunciation of foreign words is ludicrous, whatever the golden pen-pushers say. If one wants to be a purist, shouldn't correct pronunciation also include the original accent too? Reminds me of a conversation I had about hot dogs not too long ago. lol.

[Darkemorrow]

I think one of the consequences of having a global empire is that you are going to end up with a lot of different people in a lot of different parts of the world speaking "your" language in a lot of different ways.



Never mind the fact that English is a horrific mutant hodgepodge of different languages to begin with.