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[Phel Shepard]

By the gods you people are really pushing and restrecting the already broad RPG definition to include or exclude games you like respectivley don't like. Yes Deus Ex 1 is an rpg, Yes Borderlands is an rpg (if only because it has a skill system and character advancement), no Bioshock isn't an rpg (upgrades for ways to kill stuff doesn't make it an rpg), yes ME 2 IS an rpg, ME 1 was a better RPG.

I understand the generally accepted meaning of the term "rpg". But can I remind everybody of what a role-playing-game is? It's any game where you play a role. Often in the form of an avatar that represents who you are in the universe that the avatar exists in.

So... that being said, an FPS is often an RPG. Most games incorporate RPG elements these days, but there are games that are not RPGs, like chess for instance. It's a game that requires no representative avatar and the point of the game is not to assume anybodies role. 

Now you obviously play the role of Shephard. But in Halo you play the role of Master Chief. In Diablo you play the role of the Hero etc. etc.

It just makes me cringe when I see the term thrown around and pitched against games that are RPGs but don't have "levels" or 'enough' customization.

Modifié par Phel Shepard, 09 février 2010 - 01:21 .

[EternalWolfe]

wrdnshprd wrote...

EternalWolfe wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

Aratham Darksight wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

borderlands is a hybrid because it takes a robust loot and skill tree system from traditional RPGs and adds it to great first person shooter combat.  also, it was advertised to be exactly that.

 To read someone describe Borderlands' WoW-like tree of entirely passive upgrades as "taken from traditional RPGs" just makes me want to weep. Are people really that easily dazzled by plus signs and percentage marks?

did i mention WoW? i guess you totally overlooked the JRPG reference..  my point was there are TONS of RPGs that have ZERO character interaction and poor story, and are still considered pure RPGs..   also, so you are saying you have to have more than one clickable skill to be considered an RPG (see generalizations can go both ways )

and ill say it one last time, borderlands is a hybrid because it combines some of BOTH SYSTEMS.

I love watching the battles on what RPG means.

Look, RPG means Role Playing Game and that was the defining feature originally.
Then the video game industry started using it to label games that had similar qualities to well-known RPGs(D&D, for instance), such as heavy character devolopment(which is the main qualifier for a video game being labeled a RPG).  Inventory systems and such things were also common in the early ones.
Now most people who play video games and not the original RPGs are used to considering the genre traits as a being 'RPG elements'.

Regardless of whether it is the right term or not, they are using it the way they learned to use it, and they are argueing that definition is what is lacking in ME2 in compared to ME1.

As for borderlands: Orignal definition(Role-Playing Game) - no, from what I've heard(haven't played it yet)
VG genre definition: Yes, hybrid.

you make some good points.  but i will still come back and argue that if COD 4 had good dialogue, strong player choices that affected the story, and an overall good story arc, it would still be considered a shooter because of its gameplay.  IMO, these should be qualities of a good video game PERIOD, regardless of genre.

Exactly.  Because 'shooter' is a genre, and its being based off the way video games are defined.  Just like ME wasn't labeled an Action RPG because it had role playing, but because it had gameplay character devolopment.  Story, customization, and role-playing are not indicitive of the RPG genre of video games, they are becoming far more influent across different genres.  For example, look at the story in Doom, then look at the story in Halo.

Or another example: I saw someone mention Indigo Prophecy(good game!) as a RPG, even though its tagged as a Third-Person Adventure genre game. 

So, the term RPG is itself a misnomer, but its what most people are used to identifing the elements by.  And either way, saying that they're wrong that ME2 is less of an RPG because the word means something else doesn't negate what they are saying.

Note, this is in no way an complete agreement with dissenters of either side.