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[Ratsneve]

There is nothing worse then long frustrating battles where the party still ends up all dead and I 'wash and rinse' through several times with the same results.  So I use the trainer, the party doesn't die, and I move on...without the trainer.  I don't know what the answer is...  It is my personal adventure to play--not yours or BioWares but yes, I'm still left disappointed.

The only thing good about it is that its over and I'll move on and just add the cheat as if it was part of the adventure.  Let's face it, I'm 9/10th Hack & Slash and only 1/10 Strategy Magic.  If I can't line up characters in a difficult battle to work like all the easy battles then it doesn't go well.  When BioWare or any developer decides to 'turn the tables' and make a boss exceptionally hard when playing the game in Easy everyone gets what they deserve.  This is exactly why I try to play these games on the PC instead of the PS3 or 360--so I can resolve something that otherwise would end up wrecking the game.

Now, you could say, why not abandon the quest for now and come back later when Wynne has Vessel of the Spirit and see if that makes the battle easier?  Well, I thought these battles adjusted to your players level experience and having never played out Wynne's Personal Quest before I didn't know or read about it--and whose to say it would have made the difference?

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3. I knew there would be a simple solution to it.  But no one but no one but the mage has Range talent or skill so I've ignored range weapons.  When a character levels up they only get one point to one and only sometimes another point to the other.  Likewise the characters only use one primary weapon.  So I feel BioWare forced me once again to screw up the strategy?  Having played through the main quest game once before, if I wasn't so deeply involved in the story I would quit at this point.  But there is much more interest to continue--so I will.

Modifié par Ratsneve, 08 février 2010 - 07:27 .

[dwanedibbley]

Flameth isnt so hard. And when u used trainer once, u will repeat teh fail on other bosses too (100% on Broodmother), leading to boring "lets aoe nubmobs and cheat hard parts.

[soteria]

The best way to kill Flemeth is to have your toughest character get close (but not in melee range) and taunt. Have them use a warmth balm, and then have everyone else use ranged weapons to kill her. Same basic strategy works for every dragon, except Flemeth is a lil easier imo because she doesn't move. You'll get it, don't worry.

[x-president]

Just gear up the entire team with fire resistance, spread out, attack from a distance.  Fight won.

[PirateT138]

Or just send 3 tanks with indomitable or shield wall to hack and slash then heal with wynne healing, requires very little brain power.

[soteria]

Don't worry about not having archery talents. They really don't increase your damage by much at all, so as long as you have a decent dexterity for ranged attack you're fine just equipping bows on them (preferably ones with Rapid Aim).

[x-president]

You could also just send in 1 Bear with fire resistance and have Wynne heal.  Easy win any difficulty.

[Ratsneve]

soteria wrote...

The best way to kill Flemeth is to have your toughest character get close (but not in melee range) and taunt. Have them use a warmth balm, and then have everyone else use ranged weapons to kill her. Same basic strategy works for every dragon, except Flemeth is a lil easier imo because she doesn't move. You'll get it, don't worry.

I will equip everyone with a bow and arrows and give range attacks a try in other battles but this one is over.  I can't build up there ranged weapon skills though so I don't know why the weapon would be effective.

Modifié par Ratsneve, 08 février 2010 - 07:43 .

[x-president]

Ratsneve wrote...

soteria wrote...

The best way to kill Flemeth is to have your toughest character get close (but not in melee range) and taunt. Have them use a warmth balm, and then have everyone else use ranged weapons to kill her. Same basic strategy works for every dragon, except Flemeth is a lil easier imo because she doesn't move. You'll get it, don't worry.

I will equip everyone with a bow and arrows and give range attacks a try in other battles but this one is over.  I can't build up there ranged weapon skills though so I don't know why the weapon would be effective.

Ranged skills just help with special talents.  Any warrior can equip crossbows with high dmg and be effective.

[soteria]

It's because most of the activated archery skills are really bad. They take 3 seconds to use--so why would you want to ever use critical shot to do 1.5x damage why taking twice as long to shoot? It's not like a lot of other games where you put points into archery if you want to shoot accurately. The talents just give you different abilities to use with it.

[Ratsneve]

To much strategy... To many replays... You all live and breath DA--I don't. I'm going off to look for 'rapid aim' bows/crossbows. Thank you.

[Matheau]

You can also just completely skip the battle too through the dialogue. Based on Morrigan's comments, I really don't think it will matter one way or the other if you beat her or not. The important thing was getting the Grimoire, which Flemeth will give you without fighting her.

[Ratsneve]

Matheau wrote...

You can also just completely skip the battle too through the dialogue. Based on Morrigan's comments, I really don't think it will matter one way or the other if you beat her or not. The important thing was getting the Grimoire, which Flemeth will give you without fighting her.

You are so absolutely right on this--probably.  Morrigan even says afterwards that she doubts Flemeth is dead but that now she can plan for them crossing paths later on--that's of course if Morrigan accepts the PC's lie that Flemeth was killed...on the other hand Morrigan might not care...  Oh well, thank you all for the ideas.

Modifié par Ratsneve, 08 février 2010 - 08:03 .

[Ratsneve]

Heck...maybe Awakening or DA2 will have a new Morrigan Personal Qwest in it?

[Nikatjef]

I am rather surprised that anyone has trouble with Flemeth....



Three Rogue (Ranged) / one Mage, Flemeth dead at level 14 (On normal).

Two Mage / two Warrior (Melee), Flemeth dead at level 13 (On normal).

Two Mage / one Rogue (Melee) / Shale, Flemeth dead at level 9 (On hard).

Three Rogue (Ranged) / Three Wolf (Melee) / one Mage, Flemeth dead at level 15 (On hard).



Frankly, Flemeth requires less strategy than the High Dragon or the Genlock Master Assassin, and she is far easier than the last team you face in the Proving Arena.

[Feond]

Yeah the last fight in the provings suprised me with my tank. For some reason my healers didnt heal me and i wasnt watching my health so my tank fell. I reloaded took the 2 dwarves with me to the fight and used a few lesser heals and one or two heals. The dwarves and myself were left standing.

[DJ0000]

I play on PS3 and nothing I have encountered has been impossible, even on Nightmare, Gaxkang was hard but nothing impossible once I figured out the right tactics.



Anyway, play AW if you find it that hard, with Fade Shroud and Shimmering Shield you can play your hack and slash style without worrying too much about dieing.



I don't know what charecter or party you use but if you just take just enough care to keep the aggro on yout tank and slash her from behind with Yusaris you should be able to take her down pretty quickly without too much tactical worry.

[Bullets McDeath]

It's an optional, avoidable battle that is meant to be very difficult. You definitely can't use the same strategy you would use fighting 10 well armed humans, or a pack of darkspawn. However, as other posters pointed out there are a number of fairly intuitive strategies that work very well.

Flemeth is supposed to be one of the absolute toughest things you come across in the game, which again is why it's both optional and avoidable. I actually found the High Dragon (another optional, avoidable fight) to be much harder.

Modifié par outlaworacle, 09 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[Jono564]

When I last fought her it was with my warrior tank and a mage who did nothing but heal. Tank dies when she is still at about 90% health and my mage killed her using the staff auto attack and regeneration. If you are at range you can heal through her damage and slowly kill her.

[Ratsneve]

outlaworacle wrote...

It's an optional, avoidable battle that is meant to be very difficult. You definitely can't use the same strategy you would use fighting 10 well armed humans, or a pack of darkspawn. However, as other posters pointed out there are a number of fairly intuitive strategies that work very well.

Flemeth is supposed to be one of the absolute toughest things you come across in the game, which again is why it's both optional and avoidable. I actually found the High Dragon (another optional, avoidable fight) to be much harder.

You seem to be at odds with everyone else who has posted in this thread thinking Flemeth's dragon battle is @#$%ing simple.  I've expressed myself enough about this--and so have all of you.  To bad you weren't the first to post.  I would have felt a lot better feeling that it was really one of the toughest battles in the game then such an easy battle.  I think you are out-numbered.

[Kimarous]

When all else fails, do what I do... lower the difficulty setting, then set it back post-boss.

[Lambert_Feyzel]

Here are my personal tips. When the fight begins:

1) Rush with your tank to Flemeth, make him taunt her then make him drink fire resistance, armor, defence and attack speed potions

2) Position the tank so that he forces Flemeth to turn her back to your damage dealers (preferibly ranged), to deal more damage and also to avoid her flame breath. Also make each of them drink an attack speed potion, plus defence and armor potions if they are melee

3) Make Wynne heal like hell your tank, because that old dragon hits like a train. Use preferibly Shale to tank for this fight, since she can't be grabbed by the deadly multi-biting attack of this boss

4) Keep in mind that your tank will have to drink lots of healing potions: make sure you have several before engaging Flemmy

5) Remember: at higher difficulty levels you'll have to use the Tactical Pause every few seconds, to check how the fight is going, reposition your characters, heal, ecc

I hope to be of help :happy:

Modifié par Lambert_Feyzel, 09 février 2010 - 01:13 .

[Bullets McDeath]

Ratsneve wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

It's an optional, avoidable battle that is meant to be very difficult. You definitely can't use the same strategy you would use fighting 10 well armed humans, or a pack of darkspawn. However, as other posters pointed out there are a number of fairly intuitive strategies that work very well.

Flemeth is supposed to be one of the absolute toughest things you come across in the game, which again is why it's both optional and avoidable. I actually found the High Dragon (another optional, avoidable fight) to be much harder.

You seem to be at odds with everyone else who has posted in this thread thinking Flemeth's dragon battle is @#$%ing simple.  I've expressed myself enough about this--and so have all of you.  To bad you weren't the first to post.  I would have felt a lot better feeling that it was really one of the toughest battles in the game then such an easy battle.  I think you are out-numbered.

Well alot of people seem to think the whole game is really, really easy. It's just a matter of personal skill and experience with the game. I'm not any kind of genius at strategery (as evidenced by my use of the word strategery) but having beat the game a few times now, I find most of the encounters to be very simple... not because they are poorly designed or inherently easy, but because I already know what to do and have already done it several times. I think most people who are telling you the fight is easy are basing that off the 3rd time they did it successfully, not the first time they ran across it and sh*t their pants trying to find the reload button.

[x-president]

outlaworacle wrote...

Ratsneve wrote...

outlaworacle wrote...

It's an optional, avoidable battle that is meant to be very difficult. You definitely can't use the same strategy you would use fighting 10 well armed humans, or a pack of darkspawn. However, as other posters pointed out there are a number of fairly intuitive strategies that work very well.

Flemeth is supposed to be one of the absolute toughest things you come across in the game, which again is why it's both optional and avoidable. I actually found the High Dragon (another optional, avoidable fight) to be much harder.

You seem to be at odds with everyone else who has posted in this thread thinking Flemeth's dragon battle is @#$%ing simple.  I've expressed myself enough about this--and so have all of you.  To bad you weren't the first to post.  I would have felt a lot better feeling that it was really one of the toughest battles in the game then such an easy battle.  I think you are out-numbered.

Well alot of people seem to think the whole game is really, really easy. It's just a matter of personal skill and experience with the game. I'm not any kind of genius at strategery (as evidenced by my use of the word strategery) but having beat the game a few times now, I find most of the encounters to be very simple... not because they are poorly designed or inherently easy, but because I already know what to do and have already done it several times. I think most people who are telling you the fight is easy are basing that off the 3rd time they did it successfully, not the first time they ran across it and sh*t their pants trying to find the reload button.

That is true.  The first time I played it definitely was the hardest and that was on normal.  I'm currently on my 5th playthrough 2nd time on Nightmare and it gets easier every time.

[Lambert_Feyzel]

DAO, just like Baldur's Gate, is all but a Hack & Slash game like Diablo.
Mainly, in my opinion you need to use a lot the Tactical Pause, and get used to drink potions that raise your defence, armor and so on during the toughest battles.

DAO's fights are quite similar to World of Warcraft's ones.. you need to pay attention to positioning, area of effect buffs/debuffs, spells and crowd control.

Personally, I find Nightmare mode not so hard, but well.. I'm a 35 years old fart and I've played a lot both WoW and above all Baldur's Gate, Ice Wind Dale, Planescape Torment, and similar Bioware's games... the game mechanics are more or less the same.. it's a matter to get used to them

Modifié par Lambert_Feyzel, 09 février 2010 - 01:35 .