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[Kazren]

I love the downloads and totally disagree with the those who don't.  The whole point, for me, is to get the characters as many XP as possible. Thanks to Warden's Keep and Stone Prisoner and RtO I got my warrior up to 22nd level in my last run through, plus all the goodies like Duncan's weapons.  I would like to see more costumes with plusses for the mage class.  Whoever designs their clothes there in Felderan needs to take some lessons from Wade.

[Deiser]

Pinkleaf wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Wait. We can force people to buy stuff at gunpoint? Why didn't anyone tell me that? Let me go grab a gun and check it out. I'm sure nothing bad can come out of that.

I am sure that you can't, it is against most laws and you may find yourself in very deep trouble.

...Learn to take a joke.

Anyways, since there are Bioware people visiting this topic, I wanted to put out the one single complaint that stops this game from being the best game evar: The lack of afros. Seriously guys, what were you thinking by not adding afros!? So what if they were not around during the medieval times, they're just too awesome to NOT be put in and their absense hurts the game considerably! No wonder there's a lack of dancing people in the game: the world lacks funk!

I am disappointed in you Bioware. >:|

[0LunarEclipse0]

Bioware Devs. Best posts ever.

[Stonetwister]

Yeah, I have to agree with the majority of comments here. If you don't like the DLC, then don't buy it. No one is holding you at gunpoint and making you buy it. Some of us who love the game look forward to any new content Bioware is willing to give us.

That being said, out of the 3 DLC packs, RtO was the only one I found a bit disappointing. I think that it's because it was SO delayed and then ended up being so short.

[RetrOldSchool]

Deiser wrote...
Anyways, since there are Bioware people visiting this topic, I wanted to put out the one single complaint that stops this game from being the best game evar: The lack of afros. Seriously guys, what were you thinking by not adding afros!? So what if they were not around during the medieval times, they're just too awesome to NOT be put in and their absense hurts the game considerably! No wonder there's a lack of dancing people in the game: the world lacks funk!

I am disappointed in you Bioware. >:|

No need, there's a George Clinton Orlesian Bard/Funk prophet origin in DA:O:A

Back on topic:
I think it's great that BW can support DLC in both the form of small content and a big expansion. The ones who don't like the small DLC-model can just wait for the expansion. And to be fair, there has been 2 DLC's released, both small and the 3rd is a full expansion and this within the first 4 months of the game, pretty good to me.

[Darkga]

As much as I love DA:O, I have never seen so many people willing to be bent over the barrel... Yes, there is free will. Yes, it's only $5. That is not point... This kind of DLC used to be a part of the main game.



It's like buying a car and them charging you extra for floor mats. Yes, they are cheap in relation to the car. Yes, you don't NEED them. But they used to be included in the price of the car.



So, yes the OP and I are allowed to be disappointed at Bioware and not agree with everything they push. And I'm voting with my wallet... I took the money I would have spent on the two DLCs and bought and entire RPG game (The Witcher) new for $12. I'll be playing that until the REAL DA:O expansion comes out next month.

[Sabriana]

Yeah, same here. Checked the latest DLC out, and didn't like it. Took my euros to the next media-markt, dove into their bargain bin, and came up with an older but very fun game for (almost) the same price. Hours of fun followed.

That was my choice, and I made it.

[Creature 1]

I'm not interested in the DLC for >=$5. So my suggestion is keep it at $5 and soak those who want to pay that much, then months down the line drop it to $2 and I'll buy it.

[Sabriana]

I do that all the time. I don't usually buy DLC, I just don't like the prices. I didn't go for any Oblivion DLC either, but lo and behold, I got the "Knights" add-on for my birthday, and all the DLC was on it. I liked it a lot better that way

[David Gaider]

Darkga wrote...
It's like buying a car and them charging you extra for floor mats. Yes, they are cheap in relation to the car. Yes, you don't NEED them. But they used to be included in the price of the car.

The implication being that the car was a bare model that came without floor mats, and should have been there in the first place, yes? Not a fully-loaded car that already had floor mats as well as A/C and a sunroof? Were these new floor mats even made when you bought the car? I'm not sure where this analogy is going.

So, yes the OP and I are allowed to be disappointed at Bioware and not agree with everything they push. And I'm voting with my wallet... I took the money I would have spent on the two DLCs and bought and entire RPG game (The Witcher) new for $12. I'll be playing that until the REAL DA:O expansion comes out next month.

Great! And the people who want the DLC in the meantime can buy it! Everyone's happy!

I don't see the problem.

[corebit]

I myself prefer full-fledged expansions, but as Mr. Gaider has said, there is plenty of room for both DLCs and expansions. The developers don't have to restrict themselves to a single way, and in the end everyone wins.

[Loerwyn]

Here's a solution!

Do what they did with Fallout 3: Release discs every so often with a selection of the DLC until it's all out, and then laugh when the GotY comes out.

[Darkga]

David Gaider wrote...

Great! And the people who want the DLC in the meantime can buy it! Everyone's happy!

I don't see the problem.

There is no problem, only feedback. I enjoy being a Bioware customer, and I'm willing to pay my good money for your good content. But when I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, it makes me more likely to seek alternatives. If I'm in the minority, then you have nothing to worry about. If I'm in the majority, then this may be a opportunity to change you content stategy. Maybe a yearly subscription service that gives us access to all Bioware DLCs? Maybe people who buy the Collectors Editions should get DLC for free? There are opportunities to make money without some of your customers feeling like they are being "nickel and dimed". I would like to thank you though for listening and responding to you customers. It's a good look!

[David Gaider]

Darkga wrote...
There is no problem, only feedback. I enjoy being a Bioware customer, and I'm willing to pay my good money for your good content. But when I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, it makes me more likely to seek alternatives. If I'm in the minority, then you have nothing to worry about. If I'm in the majority, then this may be a opportunity to change you content stategy. Maybe a yearly subscription service that gives us access to all Bioware DLCs? Maybe people who buy the Collectors Editions should get DLC for free? There are opportunities to make money without some of your customers feeling like they are being "nickel and dimed".

Fair enough. As you say, there are many customers to listen to on this topic.

[the_one_54321]

I offer merely a +1 vote to the OP. I have hopes for the expansion, and zero interest in the smaller DLCs.

[Wournos]

Deiser wrote...

Pinkleaf wrote...

Ferret A Baudoin wrote...

Wait. We can force people to buy stuff at gunpoint? Why didn't anyone tell me that? Let me go grab a gun and check it out. I'm sure nothing bad can come out of that.

I am sure that you can't, it is against most laws and you may find yourself in very deep trouble.

...Learn to take a joke.

I am sure that person was being ironic...


I just made a small calc on what DA:O cost me per hour. I paid 700 Swedish crowns for it. I played roughly 80 hours. That's 8,75Skr per hour; which is a little over 1 dollar/slightly under 1 Euro. A DLC costs about $5, or so people claim. That would equal at least 4 hours of gameplay. As far as I know DLCs are not that long.
Compared to a full game DLCs now seem rather overpriced. ...and I think 700Skr for a game is really pushing it.

Modifié par Wournos, 09 février 2010 - 04:44 .

[Ryngard]

The problem is that some people think that the DLC isn't worth the time or money, while many others (INCLUDING ME) feel that the DLC is a great addition and well worth the money.



So it really is a moot point.



The PROBLEM is that many of the anti-DLC posters here are way too negative and immature and act like whiny kids. Don't like it? Don't buy it. But we don't need 200 threads of dissertation about how much you don't like something that you didn't buy or try in the first place.

[Darkga]

Ryngard wrote...

The PROBLEM is that many of the anti-DLC posters here are way too negative and immature and act like whiny kids. Don't like it? Don't buy it. But we don't need 200 threads of dissertation about how much you don't like something that you didn't buy or try in the first place.

I would argue that the "Don't like it? Don't buy it." attitude is even more immature. I put it in the "You're either with us or against us" category, and we know how well that one works out. I believe that positive change for a diverse group comes about through discussion and compromise. I for one do not find DLC in itself bad, but I think it could be executed a little more friendlier to the gaming community while still being profitable to Bioware.

[Zibon]

Killian Kalthorne wrote...

The purpose of a company is to make money.  If a company doesn't make money they die.  If there wasn't a market for DLCs in the first place they wouldn't be DLCs.  Just don't buy them.  If enough people don't buy them then they won't be marketable, and be seen as a way to make money. 

Unfortunately there will always be people with too much money that are more than happy to have it taken from them.  It's sort of how appliances nowadays don't hold up nearly as well as they used to.  They fail, you buy a new one.  Your xbox fails, you buy a new one.  Your game runs out of content, you buy new content.  "Well, at least it lasted until the warranty expired."

It starts with one company and quickly spreads.  It's Microsoft that came up with a console with high failure rates, achievements/gamerscore as the cheesiest and most cynical marketing gimmick I've ever seen, and these godawful pay-for DLCs.  The first time I heard of DLC I knew it was bad news, and it could only get worse.

[Isavald]

Darkga wrote...

Ryngard wrote...

The PROBLEM is that many of the anti-DLC posters here are way too negative and immature and act like whiny kids. Don't like it? Don't buy it. But we don't need 200 threads of dissertation about how much you don't like something that you didn't buy or try in the first place.

I would argue that the "Don't like it? Don't buy it." attitude is even more immature. I put it in the "You're either with us or against us" category, and we know how well that one works out. I believe that positive change for a diverse group comes about through discussion and compromise. I for one do not find DLC in itself bad, but I think it could be executed a little more friendlier to the gaming community while still being profitable to Bioware.

It doesn't help the fact that most nay-sayers to DLC started with spouting how apparently bad the content being provided was, or attempting to point accusing fingers at Bioware as if they somehow tricked them or promised them something else. When neither could really be further from the truth.

Once again I really don't understand all controversy over the added content prices. If you're an RPG gamer, its the same as any other hobby, the expenditures come naturally. Thats what these things are, money sink holes, but I don't think anyone here can claim they didn't get more than their money worth on the DA title (unless of course you simply didn't like it).

I really can't recall a single player game I've so gleefully played through multiple times and the DLC price is exactly for that, to add a tidbit more to your experience. Since I've used Warden's Keep over 3 times now, going on a fourth, I think its safe to say it earned its 7$.

[rogue1983]

David Gaider wrote...

Darkga wrote...
There is no problem, only feedback. I enjoy being a Bioware customer, and I'm willing to pay my good money for your good content. But when I feel like I'm being taken advantage of, it makes me more likely to seek alternatives. If I'm in the minority, then you have nothing to worry about. If I'm in the majority, then this may be a opportunity to change you content stategy. Maybe a yearly subscription service that gives us access to all Bioware DLCs? Maybe people who buy the Collectors Editions should get DLC for free? There are opportunities to make money without some of your customers feeling like they are being "nickel and dimed".

Fair enough. As you say, there are many customers to listen to on this topic.

are you really david gaider because you are on here more than the mods  and doing their job?

[Lotion Soronarr]

FYI people - comparing games to coffee or movies or tomatoes or Dr. Pepper doesn't really stick. Apples and oranges.

Neither does comparing a RPG to a FPS (altough it's a closer match).

The only comparison that makes sense is DLC to the full game.

[the_one_54321]

Darkga wrote...

Ryngard wrote...
The PROBLEM is that many of the anti-DLC posters here are way too negative and immature and act like whiny kids. Don't like it? Don't buy it. But we don't need 200 threads of dissertation about how much you don't like something that you didn't buy or try in the first place.

I would argue that the "Don't like it? Don't buy it." attitude is even more immature. I put it in the "You're either with us or against us" category, and we know how well that one works out. I believe that positive change for a diverse group comes about through discussion and compromise. I for one do not find DLC in itself bad, but I think it could be executed a little more friendlier to the gaming community while still being profitable to Bioware.

I would argue that "don't like it, don't buy it" is applicable, but it does not preclude voicing your opinion.
Like it or not, we are perfectly within our rights to come here on the boards and complain all we like about how we want them to provide better new content than the painfully short DLCs that have come out so far.

[Isavald]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

FYI people - comparing games to coffee or movies or tomatoes or Dr. Pepper doesn't really stick. Apples and oranges.
Neither does comparing a RPG to a FPS (altough it's a closer match).
The only comparison that makes sense is DLC to the full game.

Because comparing short excerpts of the story made playable and intended only to add to the main game, not overshadow it makes sense. Comparing the price of a standard console game, about 60$ in the US, regardless of play time or quality, and then trying to formulate that it takes X amount of time to finish said game, therefore  the bonus contents price should be measured by its estimated amount of time. No that isn't a broken logic at all.

Modifié par Isavald, 09 février 2010 - 05:43 .

[the_one_54321]

Isavald wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
FYI people - comparing games to coffee or movies or tomatoes or Dr. Pepper doesn't really stick. Apples and oranges.
Neither does comparing a RPG to a FPS (altough it's a closer match).
The only comparison that makes sense is DLC to the full game.

Because comparing short excerpts of the story made playable and intended only to add to the main game, not overshadow it makes sense. Comparing the price of a standard console game, about 60$ in the US, regardless of play time or quality, and then trying to formulate that it takes X amount of time to finish said game, therefore  the bonus contents price should be measured by its estimated amount of time. No that isn't a broken logic at all.

In point of fact, it isn't broken logic, despite your obvious sarcasm. It's not our fault that the industry has developed a really stupid way of pricing their games. I'm going to take the hit later down the road because they didn't charge enough for the innitial release. I would have been happy to pay $70 for DA:O. But they didn't charge that. Not my fault. I'm not going to stop expecting fair prices from them just because so many gamers are such completely thoughtless and foolish consumers.