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[Azrof Darkwood]

More content. Kthks. More DLCz. Rawr.

[Gunny5821]

I say keep em' coming BioWare. Totally enjoyed RTO and it took me abt 2.5 hours to get through ALL of it from start to finish, plus the treasure found was worth it all by itself.. Thank You for releasing it! On my 3rd run through and this will be the keeper to which I roll into the up coming DAO Awakening!



Happy Hunting All....

[Wournos]

Jaymo147 wrote...

No one is forcing you to buy the content. I, for one, played and enjoyed the Stone Prisoner, Warden's Keep, and recently, Return to Ostagar.

To each his own my friend, some people want to buy it while others don't.
You don't obviously, so don't complain.

If all DLCs were like Warden's Keep, with it's battlefriendly content, then my concern would be less. But the 64 Swedish Kronor I paid for it equals 8,50 Dollars and is rather uncool.

Another thing, I think everyone has a right to voice their opinions, whether it be price-praise or not. If no one did, nothing would ever change.

[Yrkoon]

Semone wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Semone wrote...

The real problem is that they didnt made the dlc.They are parts of the game why do you think the characters respond to them. its because its the part of the game they didnt release so you pay them more money, all of dlc are done they just waiting for the time to reales them so you pay them its called monopoly bisness.

I can assure you  that this isn't true at all.

And part of the reason why these DLCs aren't free is BECAUSE they had to pay the voice actors to come back in and speak the new lines.  (Alistair's, Wynne's and Logains to be specific.  No other characters in this game have any new lines in RTO)

Dude my dad works with computers and he told me that it takes good amout of time to make some thing that is so conected to the story that the game responds to it.

It DID take a lot of time.

Or have you forgotten that RTO, which is less than an hour long,  took Bioware 3 friggin months to create?.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 10 février 2010 - 12:35 .

[Elvhen Veluthil]

You have the choice to buy or not DLC, so it's not that they are forcing you to. What could be bad (conspiracy theory incoming) is that they don't climax the story in the OC so people get this feeling that there is more to it, and they buy the DLC to complete the experience. DAO (and ME2) villain didn't offer the sense of accomplishment for me by defeating him. If there is even a little bit of truth to this theory, DLC affects the game for all of us. If not, does a dev care to explain to us how does a DLC affects a game, what would they make different if the DLC thing was not present?

[Loerwyn]

Semone wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Semone wrote...

The real problem is that they didnt made the dlc.They are parts of the game why do you think the characters respond to them. its because its the part of the game they didnt release so you pay them more money, all of dlc are done they just waiting for the time to reales them so you pay them its called monopoly bisness.

I can assure you  that this isn't true at all.

And part of the reason why these DLCs aren't free is BECAUSE they had to pay the voice actors to come back in and speak the new lines.  (Alistair's, Wynne's and Logains to be specific.  No other characters in this game have any new lines in RTO)

Dude my dad works with computers and he told me that it takes good amout of time to make some thing that is so conected to the story that the game responds to it. it was made withe the game not the expantion but the dlc, why do you think the realeased stome prisoner with the game and why wardens keep came aout after week of game realese.

True story: Warden's Keep came out on release, not a week after. If you're gonna make points then use facts.

For all those saying RtO is a waste of $5 (about £3 in the UK) for an hour's worth of gaming, then I propose this question. How many runs of DA:O have you done or do you plan to do? Two, three? Maybe all the Origins and then play them through to get all the options like Endings and make each choice at least once (so all the romances, all companions, put both Harrowmont and Mr Aeducan in charge of Orzammar etc)? There's, what, 6 Origins in game? Four endings? That's at least 6 "unique" runs of RtO you can do, and if you want to use Internet Maffz to work that out, it's less than $1 per run.
And it's not worth it when you think of it like that?

[Kohaku]

Some of you are really making my days stuck in the house because of the snow go by much faster. Thanks!



On topic: I pay $5 a month to lots of different sites for stupid things. Gaia Online has donation and evolving items. I pay for them each month. Some of those free to play games have cash shops. Yup, I buy that junk too. If Bioware would offer content every month at $5, I'd happily drop the money. I do it anyway.

[Roles]

pastypus wrote...

 Love the game and a fan of BioWare but these TINY $5 downloads suck!  Cant wait for the expansion but the isignificant downloads are a waste of money and time. I would rather pay for a good expasion any time instead of these quick and worthless downloads.

 About dlc  is not the lenght but the indifference its not connected to the game as such. it makes no difference to have the kings armor or weapons etc.... they are not incooperated in game one thought you had the oportunity. its not only about money but  pride in your work.

[Sabriana]

To me, it's the question "is it worth X-amount of euros?" If I buy something that costs 1 euro, then I want 1 euro worth in exchange.

Some think that they received 3-something euros worth of merchandise, some think it's not worth the money. I think the price is too high for what I get in exchange. So I don't purchase. The person next to me thinks that the price is right for what she/he's getting in exchange, and purchases

In the end, both of us are glad about our actions. Opposite opinion and decision notwhithstanding.

It's personal, and there really is no right or wrong.

I don't see anything wrong with complaining either, if it's done reasonably, and calmly, and to the right person. I don't yell at the waitress because my food sucks, why yell at the devs when the marketing practices irk you?

[Farahot]

I really enjoy all kind of small DLC content! It's great much fun, every little piece adds another tale to be told. But the prize shouldn't be that much for smaller DLC. One dollar/hours gametime is reasonable

[Blenhim]

I have some points still so I wouldnt mind another addon

I rather enjoy them. On the last one I wish the grey wardens building had stayed

opened after you completed it and not just the outside portion but hey its no big deal.

[iinfinity]

if bioware released a diseased lung in a bottle to us public, id gladly buy it because its bioware, the most amazing developers of all time

[atheelogos]

pastypus wrote...

 Love the game and a fan of BioWare but these TINY $5 downloads suck!  Cant wait for the expansion but the isignificant downloads are a waste of money and time. I would rather pay for a good expasion any time instead of these quick and worthless downloads.

If you don't like them don't buy them. Simple...

[Wournos]

David Gaider wrote...
So the price is no more related to the amount of content than the price for the original game was. A 20-hour RPG costs as much as a 40-hour RPG. You'll have to decide for yourself if it's worth it for you, as with any game (full-length, expansion or DLC) and you're free to say it isn't and vote with your dollar -- but if your argument is that it should be cheaper simply because it's short then I can only respond by saying that's not how prices are set. Some people like to say that's unfair, but that only really applies if you have to buy it. The "if you don't like it, don't buy it" argument gets dismissed a lot around here, but I've yet to see an argument against it that doesn't smack at least a little of entitlement -- intended or not.

It's rather difficult to know if it's "worth it" unless you have bought and played it. Just saying.

[David Gaider]

Wournos wrote...
It's rather difficult to know if it's "worth it" unless you have bought and played it. Just saying.

How do you know if anything is worth it? For someone who spends time on a game forum, one would think you'd be better informed prior to a game's release than most. It seems that a great number of people have no trouble determining what's worth their money, even based on limited information. After release, the available information on it can only increase. The onus on deciding whether it's worth buying or not is yours, however.

Modifié par David Gaider, 10 février 2010 - 07:34 .

[RetrOldSchool]

I really don't understand this issue. Before DA:O:A was announced I could understand people criticizing BW for releasing a short DLC (WK) and announcing another short DLC (RtO).

But now they have announced a full expansion, so the OP is getting what he wants, a full expansion. That's the beauty of choice, some people can buy all the DLC and be happy with it, some people can wait for the expansion. 

And the whole DLC-time vs game time discussion needs to stop, that's going nowhere. 

Fine, voice your concern about the DLC model, your personal view on gaming value, your personal view on DLC-pricing, but everybody who think they can provide facts on "RtO is too expensive because the full game is 100 hours and RtO is 1 hour" are just missing the point.

There are no facts that can prove that RtO is too expensive, or for that matter, that RtO is cheap. It's too subjective and individual. People can rant about a game that features 100 hours for $60 should price the DLC after that, ie $0,6 /hour. With that logic, a 1 hour DLC for Batman Arkham Asylum should be priced $6, since the game is 10 hours.

Well we could just turn that around: 

Your average SP game is probably ~25 hours (taking in consideration games like Arkham Asylum & Uncharted ~10 hours) and they are priced $60. That might as well mean that a 100 hour game should be priced $240. 
Now DA:O is priced $60 at launch, so it's 4 times cheaper than your average game (if we use this "logic"). In that price model that fact itself could warrant BW a right to charge more for the DLC than other games, since they sold their game for $180 less than it should've been. Maybe they could even charge the rest of those $180 for a RtO, WK and DA:O:A bundle...

Now we can also take into consideration the replayability and the difference in amount of hours in DA:O depending on playing style:
Gamer A buys the CE game for $100. He plays on easy, whithout any micromanaging or pausing and he skips a lot of conversation and side quest, therefore he finish the game after 25 hours (a speedrun of DA:O can take less than 20 hours).
Gamer B buys the regular edition, for $60 and plays on a harder level, micromanages a lot and do every sidequest, every dialogue etc and ends up with 120 hours on the first playthrough. He then plays through all origins and finished the game 3 more times to see all 4 endings, ending up with 300 hours.

Does that mean that Gamer A should pay $4 for 1 hour of DLC while Gamer B should pay $0,2?

The whole "Full game-time vs DLC game time" idea is just unrealistic and nobody should attempt to use it to justify ones personal opinion whether the DLC is worth its price or not.

At the end of the day I think its good that people voice their opinion, but they just need to stop trying to use some wierd logic to prove they are right. (My 2 c's)

...Also, I would probably even buy Dog-armor for $5 for DA:O, but that's just me.

Modifié par RetrOldSchool, 10 février 2010 - 07:48 .

[grey047]

I don't really mind the price, or the content. I am just not so satisfied with the quality of the RTO dlc, not only because it's 1 months late, but also because the bugs it caused after installing it. Some fixed bugs such as lootable empty body reappreared after I install the dlc. Another bug caused by this DLC is that the dlc mission may reset occasionally. I have played my current through more than twice the time as my first two, because this bug actually cause the problem that I can't talk to Shale anymore, and I have to load a much early save to rescue this horrible problem, which is really annoying.

But generally speaking, the dlc content is fine and it worth the money, though I would prefer a better side story. Warden's Keep, in my opinion, is much better than this one on plot setting.

[The_Admiral]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

Bioware, stop forcing me to buy your stuff at gunpoint.

I agree... in fact, I expect all of my DLC and Expansions for free... due to the trauma of course!

[Cancermeat]

I wouldnt mind if dragon age did armor of the week dlc like they are doing in mass effect 2. Hey its free its cool.

[Realmzmaster]

Whether a download is worthless or not is extremely subjective. What is worthless to one person can be worth it's weight in gold to another. Personal opinion is just that personal.
You do not know the worth of anything until you pay for it and try it. What you try to do is make an infromed decision based on the available information.

Some have suggested that the price of the DLC or expansion should be based on the original price of the full game. Or that the DLC price should be based on the game length of the DLC in comparison to the game length of the full game. Why?

The price of any product is going to be based on what it cost to produce plus a markup for profit.
This is an entertainment product. It is not a necessity (like food, water, shelter). You do not have to have it. You want it. If you want it you pay the price otherwise walk away. You vote with your dollars.

The movie Avatar (just to compare another entertainment product) is a blockbuster. People paid to see the movie. They took the available information (word of mouth, advertisements, reviews etc) and made a decision to go see it. Did they know the movie was going to be worth it? No. I looked at the same information and said not my kind of movie. Personal opinion. Personal decision.

The same with video games, I have no interest in FPS and think they are worthless. I do not buy them. My friend thinks FPS are great and CRPGs are a waste of time. Personal opinion. We both vote with our dollars.
You can voice your opinion, but it is just that an opinion. In the end YMMV.

Edited for readability.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 10 février 2010 - 09:23 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
Look at a sports team.  If they sell out every single game, then their prices are too low - regardless of the prices other teams charge.

I disagree, as I've already outlined to you extensively, and with no stress spared on my part, what I think concerning fair price. To summarize it, yet again, without getting all long winded over it, yet again, what people are willing to pay dictates acceptable market price, not necessarily a fair price.

Even if we accept that there is such a thing as a fair price (again, I do not, but let's do so for the sake of argument), why would BioWare have any interest in selling their product for a fair price if the market price is higher than that?

[_Aine_]

I pay $5 for extra content for a game I am not quite ready to let end without a fight. I may have differing opinions on which DLC where my faves and which I would recommend, but that $5 keeps me out of the forums causing mischief for a few minutes so is worth its weight in gold.

[TheKnave69]

shantisands wrote...

I pay $5 for extra content for a game I am not quite ready to let end without a fight. I may have differing opinions on which DLC where my faves and which I would recommend, but that $5 keeps me out of the forums causing mischief for a few minutes so is worth its weight in gold.

Funny.  Yes, go back to playing and keep out of the forums.  You never know where they might have been.

[Justin2k]

I'm not complaining at all but one tip as I can see bioware are watching the thread.

I tend to DL content while I'm playing the game. DA:O i was playing and bought wardens keep and the other DLC. But Ostagar, I was playing something else, so i just havent got it and probably wont unless I come back to DA:O.

Same with Mass Effect. I bought pinnacle station, missed the sky one but bought it when i played through before ME2's release.

Something like a large expansion (awakening) brings me back to the game so i definetly buy it. Something like Return to Ostagar I'd pick up if DA was my current game but probably wouldn't return to the game just to buy/play it as I've moved onto Mass Effect 2 for instance.

So just for note and feedback. I'd buy everything you throw at me, but it needs to come while i am still nto the game or be big enough/impressive enough to bring me back to it.

I've always found all DLC from bioware value for money.  Its just if it comes out 7-8 months later and its small, i probably wont get it.

Modifié par Justin2k, 11 février 2010 - 01:55 .