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[hawat333]

Actually, Samara being a good fireteam leader is totally ridiculous.

Think about it. Her habits, the way he works, her past. If you work as a loner for 400 years, there is a tiny bit of chnace that suddenly you won't make a great job coordinating a squad.

It's not about personality, without a question Samara is the most pure character in the game when it comes to good or bad deeds.

It's about tactical sight, knowledge, experience as a leader. Which Samara lacks.

[Cutlass Jack]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

legion i think makes a fine leader.He can make those tactical choices faster then anyone.

nah

Legion is a sole agent

Legion's leading a team inside his 'platform.' by the time he came up with a consensus, the fire team would be dead.  Too many cooks...all inside his body.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 08 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[DarchAngelDavid]

Miranda has been leading for years so I see her as being very capable even if they dont really care for her. The bigger picture stands. Jacob has enough military skill for his Alliance career and Cerberus to be an effective leader. Samara does not lead. It is just not in her after years of being alone doing what ever you felt needed to be done with total disregard for everyone else.

[Arrtis]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

legion i think makes a fine leader.He can make those tactical choices faster then anyone.

nah

Legion is a sole agent

but he has to have a conseus of like over a 1000 programs...hes called legion for a reason...seems like a leader.kinda.
Either way i used him although mordin died while closing the door not sure if thats because mordin is mordin or because of legion.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

legion was specifically designed to act alone.

[SharpEdgeSoda]

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

legion i think makes a fine leader.He can make those tactical choices faster then anyone.

nah

Legion is a sole agent

Legion could command a squad perfectly...
...
... if the squad had barcode scanners for eyes. Lightspeed tactical commands are rather confusing unless your squadmates can "compute" it.

[Amethyst Deceiver]

i think you guys are forgetting the single most important quality of a leader: charisma.



legion and samara do not have the "people skills" to rally troops under them.



Garrus is great for this, as he is such a likeable character

[jimmyjoefro]

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I thought it was pretty ridiculous that Zaeed wouldn't know how to lead a team.

He does have team lead experience but if you talk to him (click on items in his room) you will find out that he is more of a sole survivor.

Does legion make a good fire team leader? On one hand you think he could make decisions quickly and efficiently, but he couldn't make up his mind during his loyalty quest! Also, I was worried he may not value the lives of the people on his team. Never actually used him for anything other than tube crawling, so I don't know.

Who in the bunch isn't a sole survivor?  Just because Zaeed has done well on his own doesn't mean he's forgotten how to lead a team. He was the co-founder of the Blue Suns for christ's sake.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 08 février 2010 - 08:14 .

[Shizly]

She works only on her one. And that for more than 400 years. This is the first time in a long time that she is in a team. No one can handle a whole team without any recent experience.

[Cutlass Jack]

Amethyst Deceiver wrote...

i think you guys are forgetting the single most important quality of a leader: charisma.

legion and samara do not have the "people skills" to rally troops under them.

Garrus is great for this, as he is such a likeable character

That was actually why I picked Garrus and not Miranda. He was the best choice of leaders that people didn't actually dislike. If I were going to leave Miranda in charge I'd make certain to take Jack on my team so they were nowhere near each other.

[Schneidend]

Reasons those mentioned in the thread make poor Fireteam Leaders:



Samara isn't a group combat tactics expert. She's a skilled biotic and skirmisher, like any asari commando would be.



Zaeed's entire company of underlings betrayed him for a few extra credits. 'Nuff said.



Mordin didn't lead a team during his time in the STG. In fact, he was taking orders from Kirrahe.



Legion's expertise is in hacking and sniping. He is a specialist, through and through. He also lacks a hint of in-world charisma (even though to we the players his character has a lot of charm).

[Cutlass Jack]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Who in the bunch isn't a sole survivor?  Just because Zaeed has done well on his own doesn't mean he's forgotten how to lead a team. He was the co-founder of the Blue Suns for christ's sake.

And he got his organization taken from him...

[Nastrod]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

GenericPlayer2 wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I thought it was pretty ridiculous that Zaeed wouldn't know how to lead a team.

He does have team lead experience but if you talk to him (click on items in his room) you will find out that he is more of a sole survivor.

Does legion make a good fire team leader? On one hand you think he could make decisions quickly and efficiently, but he couldn't make up his mind during his loyalty quest! Also, I was worried he may not value the lives of the people on his team. Never actually used him for anything other than tube crawling, so I don't know.

Who in the bunch isn't a sole survivor?  Just because Zaeed has done well on his own doesn't mean he's forgotten how to lead a team. He was the co-founder of the Blue Suns for christ's sake.

And if you look at Zaeed's face you will see how well his leadership of the Blue Suns went.

Modifié par Nastrod, 08 février 2010 - 08:18 .

[SharpEdgeSoda]

OP, your a bit messed up in the head. Good luck with that.

[DuffyMJ]

Oh my God I don't think ANY OF YOU actually read my post because you are all REITERATING the exact thing I wrote that I've already heard about why Samara can't lead. I'm sorry to burst your bubbles but it's ******-poor logic.

Saying Garrus is more qualified for leading his rinky dink team THAT HE LED TO THEIR DEATHS!!! is like saying Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be President because she ran a tiny little town and a state of under a million people while Obama was "merely" a state senator and had no leadership experience.

It's so ridiculous. You are all so entrenched in this ridiculous idea that "old dogs don't know any other tricks". I mean what the hell? Seriously? The Justicar makes it plain to you on the ship that she's grown fond of having traveling companions/a crew and she is not at all shy or uncomfortable around people.

And of course you all ignored the fundamental point of what I wrote that the results of her supposed "poor leadership" IS HER OWN DEATH!!!! which makes NO sense!!!!

Wow, I mean forgive my rudeness, but it's like talking to a wall!

Modifié par DuffyMJ, 08 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[Amethyst Deceiver]

zaeed is definitely too washed up and spiteful to competently lead a team under his wing

[Cutlass Jack]

DuffyMJ wrote...

Oh my God I don't think ANY OF YOU actually read my post because you are all REITERATING the exact thing I wrote that I've already heard about why Samara can't lead. I'm sorry to burst your bubbles but it's ******-poor logic.

Saying Garrus is more qualified for leading his rinky dink team THAT HE LED TO THEIR DEATHS!!! is like saying Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be President because she ran a tiny little town and a state of under a million people while Obama was "merely" a state senator and had no leadership experience.

It's so ridiculous. You are all so entrenched in this ridiculous idea that "old dogs don't know any other tricks". I mean what the hell? Seriously? The Justicar makes it plain to you on the ship that she's grown fond of having traveling companions/a crew and she is not at all shy or uncomfortable around people.

And of course you all ignored the fundamental point of what I wrote that the results of her supposed "poor leadership" IS HER OWN DEATH!!!! which makes NO sense!!!!

You really didn't pay attention. Garrus didn't lead his team to his death. The only way they could kill off his team was to trick him into being elsewhere. When he was with them, they were unstoppable.

[jimmyjoefro]

He was betrayed by his partner, Vito, in what was most likely a power struggle. There's nothing in the game that tells us what happened to Zaeed happened because he was a ****** poor leader. It all sounds like Vito's just a power hungry mercenary that was just waiting to take Zaeed out.

Modifié par jimmyjoefro, 08 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[Schneidend]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

Who in the bunch isn't a sole survivor?  Just because Zaeed has done well on his own doesn't mean he's forgotten how to lead a team. He was the co-founder of the Blue Suns for christ's sake.

And he got his organization taken from him...

Besides, they didn't "found" the Blue Suns. They just ran the more modern version of it. The original organization was started by a batarian warlord.

[Ehlisuun]

Miranda is actually impressed when the player selects Samara as a squad leader. She says something about it being a good choice. That struck me as rather odd. The OP is absolutely right. After Shepard Samara is easily the most qualified for any of this. This bull**** about her not knowing how to direct a squad is stupid. The "squad" is two other people who are both totally committed to the mission, they aren't idiots themselves and shouldn't need much direction. I mean do they really need "duck" "take cover" "shoot" "use powers" "don't charge that krogan" explained to them? Her years of experience would be far more valuable than a couple weeks of leadership training in a modern military. Ya know why the US Army's chain of command works? Because 99% of the soldiers in the Army know they need to to work and do their part. Leaders who automatically have the respect and trust of their troops are very very very rare and are not the only ones who can get the job done.

[Speakeasy13]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

jimmyjoefro wrote...

I thought it was pretty ridiculous that Zaeed wouldn't know how to lead a team.

Zaeed is like Wrex from ME1. Great at their job, but not the best in groups. Sure, he's led before, but a lot of his men died, and he doesn't have as much command over his people as he was easily betrayed by his men who sided with Vito.

He's still trained, experienced, and knows what to do in a firefight better than anyone besides Shepard.  And just because his partner betrayed him and tried to kill him doesn't mean he's a bad leader.  It means Vito's a sonofa****.

I agree with you there. I think even Shepard have great respect for Zaeed. But let's not forget Zaeed's men tend to die on him... A LOT.

But I'm willing to wager the only reason why Zaeed doesn't make a good leader is cuz he's a DLC character. Bioware probably forgot to program that into it, or they simply forgot to give that some thought.

[DuffyMJ]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

DuffyMJ wrote...

Oh my God I don't think ANY OF YOU actually read my post because you are all REITERATING the exact thing I wrote that I've already heard about why Samara can't lead. I'm sorry to burst your bubbles but it's ******-poor logic.

Saying Garrus is more qualified for leading his rinky dink team THAT HE LED TO THEIR DEATHS!!! is like saying Sarah Palin is more qualified than Obama to be President because she ran a tiny little town and a state of under a million people while Obama was "merely" a state senator and had no leadership experience.

It's so ridiculous. You are all so entrenched in this ridiculous idea that "old dogs don't know any other tricks". I mean what the hell? Seriously? The Justicar makes it plain to you on the ship that she's grown fond of having traveling companions/a crew and she is not at all shy or uncomfortable around people.

And of course you all ignored the fundamental point of what I wrote that the results of her supposed "poor leadership" IS HER OWN DEATH!!!! which makes NO sense!!!!

You really didn't pay attention. Garrus didn't lead his team to his death. The only way they could kill off his team was to trick him into being elsewhere. When he was with them, they were unstoppable.

Uh, no fool.  The reason his team died was because he was a poor judge of character (allowed his team to be betrayed) and was also so incompetent that he managed to make 3 rival mercenary gangs WORK TOGETHER to bring him down.  Looks like you were the one who didn't pay attention.

[Arrtis]

I still think legion would make a good leader.

Getting a consesus he said takes less time then asking a question.

He is very advanced.

[Cutlass Jack]

jimmyjoefro wrote...

He was betrayed by his partner, Vito, in what was most likely a power struggle. There's nothing in the game that tells us what happened to Zaeed happened because he was a ****** poor leader. It all sounds like Vito's just a power hungry mercenary that was just waiting to take Zaeed out.

If he inspired loyalty in his men, they wouldn't have betrayed him. Just saying.

[DuffyMJ]

Ehlisuun wrote...

Miranda is actually impressed when the player selects Samara as a squad leader. She says something about it being a good choice. That struck me as rather odd. The OP is absolutely right. After Shepard Samara is easily the most qualified for any of this. This bull**** about her not knowing how to direct a squad is stupid. The "squad" is two other people who are both totally committed to the mission, they aren't idiots themselves and shouldn't need much direction. I mean do they really need "duck" "take cover" "shoot" "use powers" "don't charge that krogan" explained to them? Her years of experience would be far more valuable than a couple weeks of leadership training in a modern military. Ya know why the US Army's chain of command works? Because 99% of the soldiers in the Army know they need to to work and do their part. Leaders who automatically have the respect and trust of their troops are very very very rare and are not the only ones who can get the job done.

Thank you!  Yes, Miranda is like "holy **** good choice..." and when you pick Garrus? "Uh, well I  GUESS he knows what he's doing...?" or something like that.  It's so ass backwards.

Miranda's title is even "Loyalist"  which means she's a FOLLOWER not a leader!!! Unless you think the Tories in the American Revolution were great American leaders...?