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[Lucy Glitter]

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Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 09 février 2010 - 09:08 .

[Quill74Pen]

Full game or an expansion, I don't care — I *will* be buying this title for my PS3. Bioware has earned my hard-earned bucks with the (mostly) stellar effort they put into DAO.

Quill74Pen

[CaptainVanguard]

I hate to point this out for people afraid of change but:



There was a time a company called black isle studio aka: Bioware in its younger days released a game once every year.



I fail to see the reason to be afraid of this, it means theres more room for expansions and DLC rather than having to make hundreds of DLC's to add onto this game.



People must remember "Not" to mistake a singleplayer rpg for an mmo, its not going to be made into something that will keep going for years to come.



Dragon Age 2 is evolution, not a problem, let the game progress and add a new engine, better features, let the game add onto what we know instead of constantly keeping the same boring recepie.



Some of us want change, I suppose others are afraid of it, but its EA and lets face it, if EA published left 4 dead 2 and still make it as interesting and immersive as the previous game, then Bioware can certainly develop a second dragon age in just as much time and still make it a good game.



One thing where credit is due is that at least EA doesnt keep you waiting half a century in comparison to some more overyly egocentric developers -cough- blizzard -cough-.

A quick game is never perfect, but it means theres more room to add things onto it rather than giving it everything on its first go and making us bored after a while having done everything there possibly is to do.

[Ellestor]

EA's fiscal Q4 2011 is Q1 2012, is it not? Seems like perfectly reasonable timing, to me. As I understand, the primary reason that Dragon Age: Origins took as long to develop as it was the engine and concept work. Origins, it would seem, has taken the most time-consuming aspects out of the way. Such is typically the way it goes with series that build on one, original, upgradeable engine.

[Killian Kalthorne]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Damn, they created a whole new engine and readied a game in it in a little over a year? Yeah I believe that.

Why would they need to create a new engine.  DA's current engine gets the job done very well.

[Sinboy666]

avatarx21 wrote...

I wish more companies would adopt "EA's style." I'm sick of waiting 2-5 years for a sequel...

Seriously ?

I think the "EA Style" is what is ruining most of the industry. I love Bioware games and I contribute it largely to them waiting to come out with a game. Most company are pumping out sequel after sequel with no real quality or substance.

I was hainv this conversation the other day with some friends, there is a great RPG that came out a few years ago called "The Bard's Tale" it was realyl inventitive and funny as hell. My buddy wanted them to release a sequel, but I think if they did it would be a terrible idea, cause you know the sequel is never as good as the original.

[bioware_fan]

Modifié par bioware_fan, 09 février 2010 - 11:25 .

[21121313]

Quill74Pen wrote...

Full game or an expansion, I don't care — I *will* be buying this title for my PS3. Bioware has earned my hard-earned bucks with the (mostly) stellar effort they put into DAO.
Quill74Pen

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I have to agree with this. This game has been taking up all of my PS3's time since i started playing it(i would have played it when i purchased it, but Ar tonelico 2 earned it's 4 plays).

The best part is i'm still not done with the game after 2 plays. I could have cheesed the Platinum trophy, but i can't see ruining it that way.

I can't thank Bioware enough for supporting the PS3.

[NyackDarkSoul]

I don't think there is any issue with this to be honest.



Producing DLCs will not use the full team that a new development does. My guess is their team is split in two, with one portion working on DLCs, the other working on the new title. I suspect after awakening things will go quiet regarding DLCs and the player developed content wiull flourish filling the gap.



During this quiet period the entire team will be focussed on DA2 development until clamouring starts for the next DLC (or some deadline they've set themselves.) Someone will during that entire period probably be responsible for getting feedback and keeping their eyes open for good projects and innovative ideas that fit into the storyline.



At this point in time the storyline of DA2 is probably being written (since they aren't needed for DAO atm) as well as improvements to the engine (these staff members aren't needed for DAO atm either.)



Anyway - you get the general idea of transferring people as needed since the two games are intrinsically similar. The only problem is if they are planning to release on all three platforms, well let's just say we're going to see similar delays again for similar reasons (noticed something last minute and starting certification process again.)



The other two options are equally meh - that is a port to handheld devices, unlikely I reckon, or another DLC in which case, great.



I doubt they can produce DLC at a rate fast enough to maintain the interest of those who complete the content they produce in a single play, so releasing a sequel probably makes some sense (switch back and forth between the two as DLCs get released.)



We will see in time anyway.

[Mistress9Nine]

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imported_beer wrote...

I don't know whether to dance with excitement or be very afraid.

I know right? If it's gonna be double the dark and grittyness of the first, we should all be very afraid.

Modifié par Mistress9Nine, 09 février 2010 - 12:21 .

[nubbers666]

rushed games always have major bugs ill be waiting for them to fix it all lol

[Derengard]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Damn, they created a whole new engine and readied a game in it in a little over a year? Yeah I believe that.

Look at it this way (though it doesn't confirm anything): the core-writing of DA might have been completed since around 2 years, and the polishing phase before release might have taken only a small part of the team, not to mention special technology and design teams of Bioware which can develop the engine further even before release of the first game.

Modifié par Derengard, 09 février 2010 - 12:58 .

[SeanMurphy2]

I don't think a full sequel could be made that quickly.



A year seems too short to make a full sequel, release it on PC, console and handheld and also do all the polishing, bugfixing and certification.



Bioware will be more efficient at using the engine and creating content after the experience of making DA:O, Awakening and DLC. But it still seems a very short development time.

[Dark_Ansem]

I think it's weird. they said that they have 2 years of DLC for Dragon age and before the first one is out they already make the second?

[Originalshb]

Bling75 wrote...

Maybe I'm on drugs, but the EA earnings release seems to target Q4 2011. If that's the case then it does appear that nearly 2 years would elapse between DAO 1 and DAO 2.

And yes thats well within the normal 2 years development cycles of most titles.
Maybe it does FEEL early but DA:O is already old enough  and it is still almost 2 years, and it can still get delayed... though i doubt EA would like that to happen haha

Edited to be correct, i read the article fast overlooked info

Modifié par Originalshb, 09 février 2010 - 08:22 .

[Pinkleaf]

This is terrible news, it has me wishing my life away. :happy:

[Mordaedil]

If it's an H-game, run like mad.

[Maria Caliban]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Damn, they created a whole new engine and readied a game in it in a little over a year? Yeah I believe that.

No one said Dragon Age 2 would have a new engine. They said it would have improved graphics.

Mordaedil wrote...

If it's an H-game, run like mad.

... to pre-order it!

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 09 février 2010 - 02:54 .

[Wyndham711]

You'd think the press release would have said "Dragon Age sequel" instead of "Dragon Age title" if it was indeed a sequel they were talking about. I'd think they left it ambiguous on purpose. I mean, had they been able to say "sequel" they most likely would have, since investors would probably place more faith on a sequel than on a spinoff/expansion.

Modifié par Wyndham711, 09 février 2010 - 02:57 .

[Originalshb]

Wyndham711 wrote...

You'd think the press release would have said "Dragon Age sequel" instead of "Dragon Age title" if it was indeed a sequel they were talking about. I'd think they left it ambiguous on purpose. I mean, had they been able to say "sequel" they most likely would have, since investors would probably place more faith on a sequel than on a spinoff/expansion.

A sequel implies that the story continues. There is still a good chance that in DA2 we may not play as our grey warden from Fereldan.  It's very possible the next great conflict of theadas happens in another land.  In that case it would just be an other DA TITLE

[iinfinity]

alot of you think this game is coming out too soon -- well your not taking into consideration that the sequel may well have been in development even before origins was released, thats perfectly likley with a company like bioware. i am not complaining about how soon its coming out, im well pleased, and i cant wait

Modifié par iinfinity, 09 février 2010 - 03:24 .

[twincast]

Originalshb wrote...
the OP's post has wrong information in it

It 's not jan-mar 2011

it's oct-dec of 2011

ah, okay. well, if that's the case, I'm jumping with joy. :happy:

the link to the engine update quote kinda has me worried, though. I'm hopefully reading too much into it, but to me it sounds like they didn't just add some muscle to the engine, but brightened up the style as well. that I'd take issue with.

[Wyndham711]

Originalshb wrote...

Wyndham711 wrote...

You'd think the press release would have said "Dragon Age sequel" instead of "Dragon Age title" if it was indeed a sequel they were talking about. I'd think they left it ambiguous on purpose. I mean, had they been able to say "sequel" they most likely would have, since investors would probably place more faith on a sequel than on a spinoff/expansion.

A sequel implies that the story continues. There is still a good chance that in DA2 we may not play as our grey warden from Fereldan.  It's very possible the next great conflict of theadas happens in another land.  In that case it would just be an other DA TITLE

I do not think that "sequel" necesserily implies story continuation. Think of Final Fantasy for example. To me "sequel" implies continuation of the numbered core series, and "title" is a broader term which includes spinoffs and expansions. In fact, I personally hope we'll get most of the the Origins plot threads tied together with expansion packs and DLC, so that the sequel will be free to have a completely new, fresh take on new characters and new origin-stories.

[Althernai]

SeanMurphy2 wrote...

I don't think a full sequel could be made that quickly.

As many people have already said, you have to consider the fact that the game was finished months before they released it -- they sat on it for the sake of a simultaneous release with the consoles, but the developers didn't get a paid vacation for all that time and only a small fraction would know how to port from PC to consoles. Once you include those extra months, there is nothing extraordinary about the schedule. Using Bioware's last fantasy RPG to get a sequel as an example:

Baldur's Gate was released in November 1998
It's expansion (Tales of the Sword Coast) came in April 1999
Baldur's Gate II was released in September 2000

I don't think on the order of two years is unreasonable.