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[The Angry One]

[Jack Package]

The Angry One wrote...

Hahaha, priceless!
btt the first Husk shows up at Eden Prime..
And concerning the Human-Reaper, although i have not seen the concept art i though "hey, it's still a larva, a reaper is 2 kilometers long, so it can look as it does..".

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Not much you can do about a giant metal skeleton. Any metal skeleton from the same species is going to look pretty similar.

[adam_grif]

The Angry One wrote...

I am a Collectordine systems model R-800. Metalic hull over organic endoskeleton. My CPU is a human slusheenet processor, a learning computer.

Modifié par adam_grif, 03 avril 2010 - 12:38 .

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Actually, comparing that face to that of a t-800 there are some remarkable differences.

[AusShep]

Thank you, someone else picked up Biowares foreshadowing. It's pretty extensive when you actually look at it. For example...

- ME 2 gave significant attention to humans "genetic diversity". While scientifically questionable, in the context of the game, it brings up the concept of humanities genetic potential.



- Saren in ME wondered aloud what might have been if the Protheans had surrendered to the Reapers... Well now we know.



- Saren, again, (heavily indoctrinated) stated that he was attempting to "forge an alliance between organics and machines." So they could have "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."



- The husks themselves, of course, are also inclusive in this as previously mentioned.



It's actually pretty well thought out and makes quite a bit of sense. Guess some people just aren't willing to accept that, or the fact that it was UNFINISHED.

[Mr_Steph]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

moneycashgeorge wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

10 minutes in, what?!

i think thats about when the first husk shows up.

eh wrong the first husk show up at Horizon. 

No you first encounter husks on eden prime. Close by the first settlement or whatever where you find 2 doctors.

[adam_grif]

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[Shazzammer2]

adam_grif wrote...

This wins

[Sleepicub09]

Mr_Steph wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

moneycashgeorge wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

10 minutes in, what?!

i think thats about when the first husk shows up.

eh wrong the first husk show up at Horizon. 

No you first encounter husks on eden prime. Close by the first settlement or whatever where you find 2 doctors.

oh I thought he meant from the second game sorry

[Mir5]

AusShep wrote...


- ME 2 gave significant attention to humans "genetic diversity". While scientifically questionable, in the context of the game, it brings up the concept of humanities genetic potential.

Genetic diversity means we are interesting to study, not that our genes were superior.

Just hope that they don't write this old tired "humans are special" clichee into this franchise. If it happened, I would propably have to buy another mouse.

God damn, any of you have played Star Control 3? F disgrace.

[Karstedt]

I would have preferred the final villain to be a human-raper. I couldn't muster up a whole lot of,"want to kill", for the newborn machine thing.



Yes... I went there.

[adam_grif]

AusShep wrote...

Thank you, someone else picked up Biowares foreshadowing. It's pretty extensive when you actually look at it. For example...
- ME 2 gave significant attention to humans "genetic diversity". While scientifically questionable, in the context of the game, it brings up the concept of humanities genetic potential.

- Saren in ME wondered aloud what might have been if the Protheans had surrendered to the Reapers... Well now we know.

- Saren, again, (heavily indoctrinated) stated that he was attempting to "forge an alliance between organics and machines." So they could have "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."

- The husks themselves, of course, are also inclusive in this as previously mentioned.

It's actually pretty well thought out and makes quite a bit of sense. Guess some people just aren't willing to accept that, or the fact that it was UNFINISHED.

None of the things you mentioned logically lead to therefore, there is a giant human skeleton made out of liquified humans, and it is also a reaper. It would have been foreshadowing if somebody had said something like "the interior of the reaper contains what appears to be a giant skeleton of an unknown alien, perhaps a Prothean" when they were onboard the Derilict reaper. Maybe you could have seen one on the reaper you actually boarded! Or EDI could have seen it in the Reaper schematics or something.

If Bioware was trying to foreshadow it, they did a ****** poor job of it. And it doesn't help that the reveal was totally ridiculous. I had trouble deciding whether I should break into fits of laughter or facepalm.

[Terror_K]

I liked it... kind of confirmed what I thought the basic deal with The Reapers was (i.e. that as machines they can't evolve like organic beings, to they evolve and become better by finding the best organic species out there, imitating it, then wiping everything out and starting again until the next most advanced species rises up and then mimic that, rinse and repeat). It was a human and humans that basically bested one of them for the first time since a Reaper only knows when, so it makes sense that humans would be the next choice for their evolution (I'm guessing Protheans were the previous attempt, but they found a fault somewhere and decided against it, thus used them in other means instead.)

Modifié par Terror_K, 03 avril 2010 - 01:05 .

[adam_grif]

Terror_K wrote...

I liked it... kind of confirmed what I thought the basic deal with The Reapers was (i.e. that as machines they can't evolve like organic beings, to they evolve and become better by finding the best organic species out there, imitating it, then wiping everything out and starting again until the next most advanced species rises up and then mimic that, rinse and repeat). It was a human and humans that basically bested one of them for the first time since a Reaper only knows when, so it makes sense that humans would be the next choice for their evolution (I'm guessing Protheans were the previous attempt, but they found a fault somewhere and decided against it, thus used them in other means instead.)

Work with me here.

Even if we accept this ridiculous premise (that synthetics are inferior to organics, and "can't evolve" or some crap), and that they want to immitate humans, what has building a giant human skeleton only to have it permenantly entombed in a giant starship got to do with it? What does liquifying humans to build it have to do with it? What does humans being "genetically diverse" have to do with it? 

This is on the same level of stupid as trying to eat the hearts of your enemies to get their strength after a battle.

And think about it, how did humans "defeat" a Reaper? They did it with a large amount of alien help (only 2/6 of your teammates were human), and all they did it with was some guns and biotic powers. All they did was throw lead at Sovereign's robotic avatar until it fell to pieces. Couldn't any alien species have done this? How is one great soldier, who is good at shooting things with a rifle, indicative that the species as a whole is special and in need of assimilation? How does that indicate that humans are special?

Modifié par adam_grif, 03 avril 2010 - 01:22 .

[Mir5]

Terror_K wrote...

I liked it... kind of confirmed what I thought the basic deal with The Reapers was (i.e. that as machines they can't evolve like organic beings, to they evolve and become better by finding the best organic species out there, imitating it, then wiping everything out and starting again until the next most advanced species rises up and then mimic that, rinse and repeat). It was a human and humans that basically bested one of them for the first time since a Reaper only knows when, so it makes sense that humans would be the next choice for their evolution (I'm guessing Protheans were the previous attempt, but they found a fault somewhere and decided against it, thus used them in other means instead.)

So, care to argue how humans were the "bestest"?

Taking proudness in genes about as stupid as taking proudness in your nation, or someone complete stranger's work. I want humans to thrive, but we shall do it with our "spirit" and luck, not because we were built for it. Plus I find it very hard to find credible that something as intelligent as a  reaper would separate different organic species. They could just collect different samples and tailor their own custom organic reaper species. Wait the cycle, collect the samples again, see if there's anything good and add it to the mix.
And I must remind you that even without outside interference organic life evolves, it changes. We won't be the same Humans forever, as will not be the Turians be the same Turians, or Asari be the Asari. Genetic code is not some kind of mystery power. It can be modified like you can rewrite software code.

[The Angry One]

Mir5 wrote...

Just hope that they don't write this old tired "humans are special" clichee into this franchise. If it happened, I would propably have to buy another mouse.

What game have you been playing? They've been abusing the "humans are special star children" trope since ME1.

God damn, any of you have played Star Control 3? F disgrace.

I did. I was conned.
Mind you, the Eternal Ones have many superficial similarities to the Reapers (being ascendant beings instead of killbots, but their natures were similar).
If ME3 ends up with an ending like Star Control 3's, BioWare would never be taken seriously again.

[Captain Crash]

Mobar wrote...

I found it hilarious and anti-climactic.
It's the kind of plot twist I'd expect from a shovelware b-action game, but not from Bioware.

This is always going to get a mixed reation.   But I agree with this statement.  It was just too far.  I could accept the twist if it wasnt a giant Terminator staring at me!   I just cant make work no matter how hard I try!

[adam_grif]

If ME3 ends up with an ending like Star Control 3's, BioWare would never be taken seriously again.

Protheans original form being six legged cows confirmed.

Mind you, the Eternal Ones have many superficial similarities to the Reapers (being ascendant beings instead of killbots, but their natures were similar).

The Inhibitors were in a bar, drowning their sorrows, when they met a girl called Stupid McLamedumb. Nine months later, The Reapers were born.

[Elessara]

Funny. I looked at the human-reaper and went, "Huh. Ok." And then I killed it. I honestly didn't have much of a reaction to it at all.

[Jonathan Shepard]

JrayM16 wrote...

10 minutes in, what?!

Husks. They're mini human reapers. I always thought it was pretty obvious. And that it's obvious the human reaper was nowhere near done- it still needed it's giant shell. That's what some people can't get over. A super-man/terminator reaper... but that's not the final design. I thought it was pretty obvious.

[Mir5]

The Angry One wrote...

Mir5 wrote...

Just hope that they don't write this old tired "humans are special" clichee into this franchise. If it happened, I would propably have to buy another mouse.

What game have you been playing? They've been abusing the "humans are special star children" trope since ME1.

I don't think it was bothering during ME1. Personally I thought that humanity had few 1930s germany vibes to it. We have been recovering from conflict that few understood well enough. Lot of us are bitter, groups like Cerberus start forming up, thinking that humans should force our superiority on rest of the galaxy that has been allowing to soften itself for centuries by getting all this miracle tech for free. If humans had gotten Mars few hundred years earlier, we would be in the same situation. Now we are special in a way of being the newest addition in the family.  It's up to Shepard to decide wether the family ties hold or the youngest sibling murders rest of the family to get more room.
It wasn't until ME2 that my "chosen one BS"-meter started going off. Until then humans had made achievements and errors that all felt natural. As had the other species in their times. Asari and Salarians had their Rachni wars and forming of the council, Turians had their Krogan Rebellions and making citadel into the military strength it is.
Humans won Sovereign because Shepard and crew disabled its shields and the human fleet hadn't been dispatched to guard the borders.
ME2 apparently claims that after that the Reapers went "OMFG these guys must be the pinnacle of organic evolution, for they happened to be at the right place at the right time, lets eat them so we can have their spirit animal!!!".

Modifié par Mir5, 03 avril 2010 - 02:12 .

[adam_grif]

Jonathan Shepard wrote...

Husks. They're mini human reapers. I always thought it was pretty obvious.

Um, no? The resemblance is superficial, they're just people that have had parts replaced with cybernetics. Other than being made via reaper technology there's nothing else in common. If anything they're opposites, since the husks were formerly organic, now replaced with cybernetics, and the human reaper is made out of human slushee. One is a human trying to be a robot, the other is a robot trying to be a human.

[Terror_K]

adam_grif wrote...

Work with me here.

Even if we accept this ridiculous premise (that synthetics are inferior to organics, and "can't evolve" or some crap), and that they want to immitate humans, what has building a giant human skeleton only to have it permenantly entombed in a giant starship got to do with it?

Who said it was permanent. I imagine it was a prototype and had it worked it would have eventually been released.

What does liquifying humans to build it have to do with it? What does humans being "genetically diverse" have to do with it?

What do you think the thing is made of? You saw what happened to those in the Collector tubes: they got turned into a metallic substance. The Reapers are made out of an organically engineered metal. Who knows what properties it has that relate to genetics? They "are legion" after all.

This is on the same level of stupid as trying to eat the hearts of your enemies to get their strength after a battle.

Not really. One is superstition and the other actual science.

And think about it, how did humans "defeat" a Reaper? They did it with a large amount of alien help (only 2/6 of your teammates were human), and all they did it with was some guns and biotic powers. All they did was throw lead at Sovereign's robotic avatar until it fell to pieces. Couldn't any alien species have done this? How is one great soldier, who is good at shooting things with a rifle, indicative that the species as a whole is special and in need of assimilation? How does that indicate that humans are special?

Shepard defeated Sovereign. He/she did what no other organic species (as far as we know) has done to the Reapers before. Whether humans are special overall or not, several things point to Shepard being an exceptional individual, including other characters saying so directly. The Reapers know this and they targeted Shepard because of it. He/she is probably the first organic they've actually considered to be a threat. And I have a strong feeling that they also want something from Shepard that other humans can't give them. Let's just call it that X-Factor that Shepard has that very few others seem to possess.