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[Rick.s]

I am too dissapointed with ME2 the graphics and text are not at the ME1 standard. Sequels are almost always cheapend.

[Mongoose22]

ME1's text was almost as hard to read.  I got an HDTV because of that game.  (Well, at least I used that as an excuse.)

I think the real disappointment is that EA didn't do enough testing with SDTVs to fix the issue before ship, or they decided that it wasn't worth fixing.  We keep crappy small TVs around my workplace for just such a reason, to test how screens look on non-optimal displays.  We all hate trying to squeeze things into a small 4:3 display, but at the end of the day, it has to be done.

[SorenTrigg]

I had no trouble with ME1's text, for some reason. I could sit across the room and see it perfectly fine.

But with ME2, I have to sit pretty close, and even then, it is difficult to make out (due to being kind of blurry, in addition to being tiny).

Just slightly odd, as you had trouble with ME1's text.

[tortuga8831]

Tails88 wrote...

If I remembrer correctly, on the first Xbox came out a data disk for Dead or Alive 3, including some stages and extra costumes for the characters. I don't know exactly, because it came out only in USA (the European version already included the data disk bonuses in the game) but if i can remembrer I think it was free.
And it was extra content...

Bioware could include in a data disk ALL the Cerberus Network's add-ons, plus the patch. They could do this for people who don't or can't connect their console on Xbox Live (if I can remember correctly, Microsoft said that something around 50% of consoles are connected to Xbox Live* ). And putting it free, since it's already free content.

They could include this bonus disk with the Official Xbox Magazine, it would be perfect.

*source: kotaku.com/5442283/xbox-360-39-million-consoles-sold-only-half-are-on-xbox-live

I didn't know about the DOA 3 thing, but still EA might not want anything given away for free. Yes I know, all the cerberus networks add-ons are free, but they won't be for the second owner of mass effect 2. And before I go any farther, I do agree that a patch if it's made should be free. But that most likely won't be the case. We don't know what EA will allow Bioware to do and not do. And I totally forgot about the xbox magazine but, how many companies want to have some type of disc on/with the xbox magazine, and would it be as simple as 'here's the disc' or would Bioware have to pay to have the disc included? All I'm saying there has to be a reason why it's not as simple 'here's a disc enjoy the update' thing, EA requiring that any extras have to go through cerberus or put out there for a price or something. Also remember, Bioware wants the text small like it is. They have a right to keep it at that size, just as you have a right to ask for a patch. If they don't do a bonus disc with a patch, then the only hope will be in a GOTY edition.

[tortuga8831]

DragonDefender wrote...

Jesse Houston wrote...

It's hardware restricted actually, has to do with the way that the Title Update system works. I am pretty sure I'm not supposed to say anything further beyond that. I'm going to leave this topic open and lock the rest though. As we've discussed this in great detail now. Folk's lets keep this clean, I'm not going to tolerate any personal or professional attacks in here.

  Well Jesse I dont really see how you, Bioware, or EA have any choice but to take the negative professional attacks here. Basicaly you said ok 54% of Americans have a  HDTV and we can say screw the other 46% of people who are not using this technology.  That is way to large a gap for this issue not to have been corrected before shipping. So whatever your customers who spent their hard earned money have to say you take it, in this case you guys get what you deserve.

 I can tell you this if Bioware/EA does not get its act together all those hard earned customers dollars in the market that you have pulled will be lost by the next release of ME 3 or DA 2.

I think what jesse meant were attacks like 'Bioware sucks' or 'So and so is a ***'

[BardHarbinger]

The issue has made the yahoo home page.

http://videogames.ya...ack-103/1389206

As they point out:

LRG (Leichtman Reasearch Group) reports that only 46% of households have HDTVs, meaning that 54% still use SDTV and that for now SD is still the standard.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts had the same issue with text being too small to read and they were able to fix it with an update.  ------- So why were they able to fix it but ME2 can't?


And here's another article about the subject:

http://arstechnica.c...een-avoided.ars

Looks like Bioware is getting bad press over this issue as well as angry posters on this forum and others.  I still love Bioware and their games and I only wish them the best.  But why can't we do as the second article suggest and make the text size and color an option the user can adjust?  That would make everyone happy.

[Tails88]

tortuga8831 wrote...

I didn't know about the DOA 3 thing, but still EA might not want anything given away for free. Yes I know, all the cerberus networks add-ons are free, but they won't be for the second owner of mass effect 2. And before I go any farther, I do agree that a patch if it's made should be free. But that most likely won't be the case. We don't know what EA will allow Bioware to do and not do. And I totally forgot about the xbox magazine but, how many companies want to have some type of disc on/with the xbox magazine, and would it be as simple as 'here's the disc' or would Bioware have to pay to have the disc included? All I'm saying there has to be a reason why it's not as simple 'here's a disc enjoy the update' thing, EA requiring that any extras have to go through cerberus or put out there for a price or something. Also remember, Bioware wants the text small like it is. They have a right to keep it at that size, just as you have a right to ask for a patch. If they don't do a bonus disc with a patch, then the only hope will be in a GOTY edition.

It's a pleasure to talk with you.

Sadly you're right, EA won't do something like that for free. But I think that Official Xbox Magazine is the way to go.

Don't know about the american one, but the OXM in my country often included patches and updates for the Dashboard (the Xbox 1 Games cOmpatibility, even the New Xbox Experience if I'm not mistaken)... with a simple deal (EA is a gigantic publisher, after all) they could include the ME2 text patch DIRECTLY in the Game Disc, with the demos, the trailers and the extras OXM already includes in the disc.

Yes, you should pay the magazine, but is much cheaper than a GOTY edition or an all-inclusive DLC disc. And they (Bioware/EA) wouldn't have to make a disc just for that, since they use the DVD already included in the magazine.

Modifié par Tails88, 15 février 2010 - 05:15 .

[tortuga8831]

BardHarbinger wrote...

The issue has made the yahoo home page.

http://videogames.ya...ack-103/1389206

As they point out:

LRG
(Leichtman Reasearch Group) reports that only 46% of households have
HDTVs, meaning that 54% still use SDTV and that for now SD is still the
standard.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts had the same issue with text being too small to read and they were able to fix it with an update.  ------- So why were they able to fix it but ME2 can't?

They were most likely able to fix it because the title update for Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts was under the 4mb limit. An update for ME2 would be well over 4mb.

Tails88 wrote...

tortuga8831 wrote...

I didn't know about the DOA 3 thing, but still EA might not want anything given away for free. Yes I know, all the cerberus networks add-ons are free, but they won't be for the second owner of mass effect 2. And before I go any farther, I do agree that a patch if it's made should be free. But that most likely won't be the case. We don't know what EA will allow Bioware to do and not do. And I totally forgot about the xbox magazine but, how many companies want to have some type of disc on/with the xbox magazine, and would it be as simple as 'here's the disc' or would Bioware have to pay to have the disc included? All I'm saying there has to be a reason why it's not as simple 'here's a disc enjoy the update' thing, EA requiring that any extras have to go through cerberus or put out there for a price or something. Also remember, Bioware wants the text small like it is. They have a right to keep it at that size, just as you have a right to ask for a patch. If they don't do a bonus disc with a patch, then the only hope will be in a GOTY edition.

It's a pleasure to talk with you.

Sadly you're right, EA won't do something like that for free. But I think that Official Xbox Magazine is the way to go.

Don't know about the american one, but the OXM in my country often included patches and updates for the Dashboard (the Xbox 1 Games cOmpatibility, even the New Xbox Experience if I'm not mistaken)... with a simple deal (EA is a gigantic publisher, after all) they could include the ME2 text patch DIRECTLY in the Game Disc, with the demos, the trailers and the extras OXM already includes in the disc.

Yes, you should pay the magazine, but is much cheaper than a GOTY edition or an all-inclusive DLC disc. And they (Bioware/EA) wouldn't have to make a disc just for that, since they use the DVD already included in the magazine.

That really is the best way for them to do it without it costing alot. But who ever makes the final call might be looking at the fact that anyone who wants a patch would have to rebuy the game in a GOTY edition or DLC disc, thus insuring that they make x amount of sales. Although I'm sure OXM would be begging for bioware to release a patch through them, because their magazine would be the only way to get it. And it's been a pleasure talking with you also, it's nice to talk to someone on here who isn't rocking back and forth in the corner saying 'bioware doesn't love us anymore.' I do hope that a patch comes out one way or another because I only played dead rising for 20 mins before I turned it off and later traded it in because the text was so small. I'd hate for people to have to do that with ME2 because it is a really good game.

[fadedroots]

The most annoying part of this is that Bioware has the fix, but are unable or unwilling to roll it out, claiming obstacles from Microsoft are preventing them from doing so and also saying that the update would be pretty large.



Offer the fix and then let the customer decide if he wants to download the fix or not. Don't just assume we won't want to be bothered with the large download. It's better to offer something then to offer nothing at all except for "SOL"



Just give half the people that bought this game SOMETHING. But don't give us too much, I'd hate for those awesome HD TV users to feel that they are equal to the standard TV people. That's the reason they spent more money on that HDTV, to be better than the rest of us and I'd hate, HATE to take that away from them.

[TenceRiker]

BardHarbinger wrote...

The issue has made the yahoo home page.

http://videogames.ya...ack-103/1389206

As they point out:

LRG (Leichtman Reasearch Group) reports that only 46% of households have HDTVs, meaning that 54% still use SDTV and that for now SD is still the standard.

Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts had the same issue with text being too small to read and they were able to fix it with an update.  ------- So why were they able to fix it but ME2 can't?


And here's another article about the subject:

http://arstechnica.c...een-avoided.ars

Looks like Bioware is getting bad press over this issue as well as angry posters on this forum and others.  I still love Bioware and their games and I only wish them the best.  But why can't we do as the second article suggest and make the text size and color an option the user can adjust?  That would make everyone happy.

Glad someone mentioned this. I should be too hard of an issue to do for all the customers this is affecting. Some people are sucking it up and not complaining but this needs to be addressed.

[Chocosuke]

I changed my xbox settings to widescreen for me2 and it did wonders for the text size.

[fadedroots]

This is essentially a case of Separate but Equal. My normal Mass Effect 2 disk costs the same for SDTV as it does for HDTV, yet they are not handled the same.



If I have to pay the same as others using a 360 (which means gameplay for all users is identical in terms of processing power), why do I have a worse experience then the rest?



If you are going to give me a disk for my inferior, non HD TV, then shouldn't I pay less for that disk since I'm not getting the full gaming experience as others? Especially if the developers are unwilling to make the game playable for all buyers of 360.



I paid for my 360, I paid for my HDD, I paid for my game disk, but because I can't pay for an HDTV I'm out of the loop?



The other game articles noticed the size of the forum page where the issue was being handled. Unless we drum up more support for this issue, it is guaranteed Bioware won't do anything. I guess I can't help feel a little upset since they got my money and I got a game I can't fully experience.



And for the people with HDTVs, this isn't about better graphics, this isn't about clearer picture, this is about the text being unreadable. I'm not asking for better graphics from my SDTV or for them to give me a game that looks identical to the HDTV, I'm asking for a game where I can read the text. Is that so crazy? Is that asking too much? Just reading the text! That is all we are asking! It isn't unreasonable, but Bioware's solution to the problem is very unreasonable (you're sh*t out of luck, paying customers!)



There are over 5 pages on Google search with articles on this subject. I wish Bioware cared enough for their users. Especially in a game were text plays so heavily.

[tortuga8831]

fadedroots wrote...

The most annoying part of this is
that Bioware has the fix, but are unable or unwilling to roll it out,
claiming obstacles from Microsoft are preventing them from doing so and
also saying that the update would be pretty large.

Offer the fix
and then let the customer decide if he wants to download the fix or
not. Don't just assume we won't want to be bothered with the large
download. It's better to offer something then to offer nothing at all
except for "SOL"

The only way they can offer a patch that's
over the 4mb limit that microsoft has in place, because not all xbox's
have hard drives, would be for them to only patch the pc version. And
even then they would still have to make the patch which I doubt they
have yet because of the fact that they don't have a way to deliever it
for the xbox. They don't assume that we don't want to download a
large file, if they did they wouldn't make DLC that's over 100mb.

fadedroots wrote...

This is essentially a case of Separate but Equal. My normal Mass Effect 2 disk costs the same for SDTV as it does for HDTV, yet they are not handled the same.

If I have to pay the same as others using a 360 (which means gameplay for all users is identical in terms of processing power), why do I have a worse experience then the rest?

If you are going to give me a disk for my inferior, non HD TV, then shouldn't I pay less for that disk since I'm not getting the full gaming experience as others? Especially if the developers are unwilling to make the game playable for all buyers of 360.

I paid for my 360, I paid for my HDD, I paid for my game disk, but because I can't pay for an HDTV I'm out of the loop?

The other game articles noticed the size of the forum page where the issue was being handled. Unless we drum up more support for this issue, it is guaranteed Bioware won't do anything. I guess I can't help feel a little upset since they got my money and I got a game I can't fully experience.

You have a worse experience then the rest because you don't have the a tv which it was developed for. Not saying bioware is in the right for not making the game playable on all tv's but they're still not in the wrong, it's their choice on how they wanted to display the text. The fact that the text is unreadable on SDTV is an oversight on their part but one that they looked into fixing and are unable to with an title update because it would most likely end up being over the 4mb limit that I already mention and that has been mention already in this thread. I do understand how you feel. But there's not much they can do at this point besides what they are already looking in to, aka GOTY edition and hopefully either putting a patch on a disc that comes with the Official Xbox Magazine or a DLC disc. On a side note I wonder if there's a facebook group made yet for people that want a patch. I mean, they have groups for 'letz git 100000000000 people in this group to prov iz teh bezt.'

Modifié par tortuga8831, 16 février 2010 - 08:29 .

[sunnyengland]

tortuga8831 wrote...
 The fact that the text is unreadable on SDTV is an oversight on their part

that what is boils down to. 
Its not a small over sight, this along with and all the other issues people are having in story, visability etc (many posts) and amount of bugs etc it does tarnish Biowares reputation (as if an EA takeover wasnt enough) as this is what testing is meant to pick up.
Seriously guys get better testing done to pick up all of this and dont ship until ready.

Modifié par sunnyengland, 16 février 2010 - 09:54 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

It isn't an oversight, they just don't care, and why should they? Regardless of how many people still have SDTV's, they are becoming the minority. More and more people make the switch to HD everyday.



Gaming is a hobby, and if you have ever gamed on the PC you'd know that keeping up with the technology is a responsibility you have as a gamer, even if you are on Xbox.



It all comes down to just ****ing. You are displaying games on outdated hardware that doesn't even support the proper resolutions and likely doesn't even support progressive scan. It is YOUR fault, not Bioware's or any other dev who designs their games to run on modern television sets.

[Tails88]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It isn't an oversight, they just don't care, and why should they? Regardless of how many people still have SDTV's, they are becoming the minority. More and more people make the switch to HD everyday.

Gaming is a hobby, and if you have ever gamed on the PC you'd know that keeping up with the technology is a responsibility you have as a gamer, even if you are on Xbox.

It all comes down to just ****ing. You are displaying games on outdated hardware that doesn't even support the proper resolutions and likely doesn't even support progressive scan. It is YOUR fault, not Bioware's or any other dev who designs their games to run on modern television sets.

As I've already told you before, Xbox 360 fully supports SDTV. You can choose SD and 4:3 aspect ratio right in the Dashboard, so I simply don't care about how old is my TV. "This is the HD generation" is a slogan.
On PC the 16:10 monitors are becoming more and more popular, right? But games on PC still have to support dozens of resolutions and aspect ratios. It's the same thing, only much simpler on 360 since there are 2 resolutions (SD, HD) and 2 aspect ratios (4:3, 16:9).
And keep in mind that HDTV owners are still 50%... on 40 million xbox sold, we're talking about something like 20 million people with SDTV.

Gaming is a hobby, but console gaming was always better than PC gaming because you didn't have to change hardware every 6 months (what will happen with 3D technology? You'll throw away your 2-years-old HDTV? ).

And again, we're talking about simply being able to read the text. 20 million people can't read ME2.
No one is asking for the moon... it's not difficult to understand, is it?


The problem now is how they should give us the patch, but even Bioware recognised it as a mistake.

Modifié par Tails88, 16 février 2010 - 11:43 .

[tortuga8831]

He just wants to turn this into a HDTV vs SDTV. Which it's not because there's been HDTV users that have commented that they also are having problems.

[fadedroots]

A lot of talk is coming from the players but lets not forget that an even smaller group of people are affected by this, but they have the most claim out of all of us: The Mass Effect Writers.



It's one thing for Bioware to say that we, the players, won't be reading their text, but they are basically saying that they wont make a fix for the benefit of the WRITERS who spent what seems to be a lot of time and sweat making all those text/dialog/stories/codex. If I was one of the writers I'd probably feel short changed that my work is not accessible to everyone who buys the game. And even more short changed when Bioware says they won't even be bothered to fix the text height so that people can enjoy the words if they choose to read them in clear form. Especially since Bioware spent money on paying those writers to...write.

[Tails88]

fadedroots wrote...

A lot of talk is coming from the players but lets not forget that an even smaller group of people are affected by this, but they have the most claim out of all of us: The Mass Effect Writers.

It's one thing for Bioware to say that we, the players, won't be reading their text, but they are basically saying that they wont make a fix for the benefit of the WRITERS who spent what seems to be a lot of time and sweat making all those text/dialog/stories/codex. If I was one of the writers I'd probably feel short changed that my work is not accessible to everyone who buys the game. And even more short changed when Bioware says they won't even be bothered to fix the text height so that people can enjoy the words if they choose to read them in clear form. Especially since Bioware spent money on paying those writers to...write.

I think everyone who doesn't have a very, very nice HDTV is angry about that, and I understand your feelings because I feel the same. Damn, I can't play ME2.

The good thing, though, is that Bioware answered us and recognised it as a mistake. They told us why it's not simple to make a patch (I still hope they can achieve to make an update within the 4MB limit) and, to put it simply, it's Bioware's fault for the problem and Microsoft's fault for not having a patch.

The best thing we could do is to try and tell Bioware our ideas to get this done (like using the Official Xbox Magazine, which I think it's still the best way to go) to help them out. The best thing Bioware can do, other than obviously finding a way to get this done once and for all, is to keep talking to the fans in this forum.

Because the anger starts when, after the problem, you have no answer.

[Jesse Houston]

Tails88 wrote...
\\The good thing, though, is that Bioware answered us and recognised it as a mistake. They told us why it's not simple to make a patch (I still hope they can achieve to make an update within the 4MB limit) and, to put it simply, it's Bioware's fault for the problem and Microsoft's fault for not having a patch.

The best thing we could do is to try and tell Bioware our ideas to get this done (like using the Official Xbox Magazine, which I think it's still the best way to go) to help them out. The best thing Bioware can do, other than obviously finding a way to get this done once and for all, is to keep talking to the fans in this forum.

Because the anger starts when, after the problem, you have no answer.

Thank you
And I check this post several times a day, delete the flak/hate/trolling and read and investigate the good thoughts.  I obviously can't comment on a lot of my investigations, but I haven't forgotten about you folks and I will update this thread as I find out anything.

-Jess

[podmark]

Thanks Jesse, we really appreciate your continued interest.

[Disassemble]

Jesse Houston wrote...

Tails88 wrote...
\\\\The good thing, though, is that Bioware answered us and recognised it as a mistake. They told us why it's not simple to make a patch (I still hope they can achieve to make an update within the 4MB limit) and, to put it simply, it's Bioware's fault for the problem and Microsoft's fault for not having a patch.

The best thing we could do is to try and tell Bioware our ideas to get this done (like using the Official Xbox Magazine, which I think it's still the best way to go) to help them out. The best thing Bioware can do, other than obviously finding a way to get this done once and for all, is to keep talking to the fans in this forum.

Because the anger starts when, after the problem, you have no answer.

Thank you
And I check this post several times a day, delete the flak/hate/trolling and read and investigate the good thoughts.  I obviously can't comment on a lot of my investigations, but I haven't forgotten about you folks and I will update this thread as I find out anything.

-Jess

Thank you, Jesse.

[fadedroots]

I think it's safe to say that people wouldn't be so passionate about a game and it's company if they didn't highly respect said game and company.

I have an idea on how you could do the patch and get away with the upload limit: give it a Cerberus network number you enter in for the patch. The number would be freely distributed as serving that function, so no one would think they scored some leet DLC. Also don't call it a patch, call it a game 'enhancement'.

Since this story, I call it Textgate, has been covered by all gaming websites, it's safe to say that said Cerburus patch code-key would get wide distribution while also allowing a lot of editors to say, "See, Bioware always comes through for the fans

Do that and I'll write a fanfiction story of Shepard's 'troubled teenage years' lol.

Modifié par fadedroots, 17 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[rawrdragon]

please move the ally icons off my chars ass. thatnks. When i rotate my char it looks like my testes are hanging out...its super annoying

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Tails88 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

It isn't an oversight, they just don't care, and why should they? Regardless of how many people still have SDTV's, they are becoming the minority. More and more people make the switch to HD everyday.

Gaming is a hobby, and if you have ever gamed on the PC you'd know that keeping up with the technology is a responsibility you have as a gamer, even if you are on Xbox.

It all comes down to just ****ing. You are displaying games on outdated hardware that doesn't even support the proper resolutions and likely doesn't even support progressive scan. It is YOUR fault, not Bioware's or any other dev who designs their games to run on modern television sets.

As I've already told you before, Xbox 360 fully supports SDTV. You can choose SD and 4:3 aspect ratio right in the Dashboard, so I simply don't care about how old is my TV. "This is the HD generation" is a slogan.
On PC the 16:10 monitors are becoming more and more popular, right? But games on PC still have to support dozens of resolutions and aspect ratios. It's the same thing, only much simpler on 360 since there are 2 resolutions (SD, HD) and 2 aspect ratios (4:3, 16:9).
And keep in mind that HDTV owners are still 50%... on 40 million xbox sold, we're talking about something like 20 million people with SDTV.

Gaming is a hobby, but console gaming was always better than PC gaming because you didn't have to change hardware every 6 months (what will happen with 3D technology? You'll throw away your 2-years-old HDTV? ).

And again, we're talking about simply being able to read the text. 20 million people can't read ME2.
No one is asking for the moon... it's not difficult to understand, is it?


The problem now is how they should give us the patch, but even Bioware recognised it as a mistake.

My HDTV fully supports 480p, does that mean I should run my games in that resolution? No. Computers still support Windows 95, does that mean I should use that OS? No.

The best thing to do is keep current and right now it's easier and cheaper than ever. The "HD generation" is not just a slogan, it is the truth. Consoles have finally made the jump to high definition. I remember when I had a SDTV and an Xbox 360 with GRAW. The text was very hard to read because the game was designed to be played in a much higher resolution than my TV could support.

Suffice to say, I didn't go onto Ubisoft's message board complaining and demanding a patch to fix the 'problem'. I understood that it was MY television that was the problem. I went out and purchased a HDTV and that solved the problem I was having.

It really is that simple and it's actually a lot more satisfying than complaining about it on a message board and hoping that in the near future Bioware will come up with a solution. It's not like your going HD just for Mass Effect 2, either, every game you play will benefit from it.