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[HelterSkelter89]

these threads are really annoying, you are not accomplishing anything. bioware has already shown they don't care about what their fans like about their games by adding ammo to the game and taking away the awesome amount of weapons, armor, upgrades, and skill points from the first one. do you really think having some fruity little online petition is going to affect anything?

[Ninja Ataris]

People are just expressing their opinions.



Personally I find whine threads worse.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

IMO people are just in denial because they're afraid their favorite characters will be reduced to a crappy cameo role.



Those fears are valid and justified, but petitions to "keep them alive" are useless, as BioWare isn't going to completely stop allowing player choices to carry over.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Now there's a sure fire way of showing support^^^^^^

Don't like the system? don't like the story? Don't bother us, with your ingrateful NON-IP detritus OK?

[ckriley]

Ninja Ataris wrote...

Personally I find whine threads worse.

 
This pretty much sums it up for me.

[marshalleck]

Nobody is forcing you to read those threads.

[HelterSkelter89]

certain characters are almost guaranteed to be in me3, shepard obviously, like tali, liara, and garrus. why bother making a petition? you are just wasting your time.



also @ ninja ataris, sounds a bit like you are whining yourself.

[Jackal904]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

these threads are really annoying, you are not accomplishing anything. bioware has already shown they don't care about what their fans like about their games by adding ammo to the game and taking away the awesome amount of weapons, armor, upgrades, and skill points from the first one. do you really think having some fruity little online petition is going to affect anything?

I like the ammo, the new weapon/armor/upgrade system, and the new skill point system.

[Frotality]

ohupthis wrote...

Now there's a sure fire way of showing support^^^^^^
Don't like the system? don't like the story? Don't bother us, with your ingrateful NON-IP detritus OK?

this=truth by sarcasm.

because if online forums about a game moderated by its developers are for anything, its to ignore the fans.

[HelterSkelter89]

Jackal904 wrote...

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

these threads are really annoying, you are not accomplishing anything. bioware has already shown they don't care about what their fans like about their games by adding ammo to the game and taking away the awesome amount of weapons, armor, upgrades, and skill points from the first one. do you really think having some fruity little online petition is going to affect anything?

I like the ammo, the new weapon/armor/upgrade system, and the new skill point system.

did you also not play me1 until about a month ago? lawl

[BlaiseVoltaire]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

...bioware has already shown they don't care about what their fans...

Your opinion almosted mattered... Then you turned it into a whine.

Your point is fair, and you are, of course, allowed to express your opinion (within reason), but losing focus and suggesting that BioWare doesn't care about their fans is foolish. You being disatisfied and BioWare not caring about their fans are hardly the same thing.

Slipping that sort of complaint into what could have been a valid thread ruined any chance this had for legitimacy

Edit: and while I'm not content with all of the changes, I'm still pleased with the final product, and excited for DLC which may expand our options in satisfactory ways. More importantly, I don't express what discontent I have by inserting annoying complaints into threads that are ostensibly about a different topic. Before you can accuse me of not knowing anything about the sries, I followed ME1 well before it came out and am an avid fan of the series.

Modifié par BlaiseVoltaire, 09 février 2010 - 02:49 .

[Jackal904]

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

Jackal904 wrote...

HelterSkelter89 wrote...

these threads are really annoying, you are not accomplishing anything. bioware has already shown they don't care about what their fans like about their games by adding ammo to the game and taking away the awesome amount of weapons, armor, upgrades, and skill points from the first one. do you really think having some fruity little online petition is going to affect anything?

I like the ammo, the new weapon/armor/upgrade system, and the new skill point system.

did you also not play me1 until about a month ago? lawl

No actually I got ME1 when it first came out and I bet I played through it more times than you have.

[Collider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

IMO people are just in denial because they're afraid their favorite characters will be reduced to a crappy cameo role.

Those fears are valid and justified, but petitions to "keep them alive" are useless, as BioWare isn't going to completely stop allowing player choices to carry over.

I disagree. Fan feedback has definitely shaped Mass Effect 2, and Bioware has admitted to this. Take the Tali, Garrus, and Thane romances, for example, as well as their returns. Tali and Garrus were both very popular, and Bioware took notice that the fans wanted romances with them. And they delivered. Thane was designed for the female heterosexual player, specifically those who wanted a male alien romance. Had the female fans not shown that they are numerous and want to be recognized, Thane may have not even existed.

These fans, whether Thane, Tali, Miranda, whatever, aren't saying that squad mates that died in ME2 should be magically resurrected for ME3. They're saying have them survive beyond the suicide mission, and have them present in ME3 in less than a cameo, if not be a squad mate.

[Collider]

Also about the OP's post. Perhaps there is something to be said of your willpower and patience if you can't tolerate seeing the topic titles of threads. Seriously. Just don't read them. I consider it to be more pathetic to create threads whining about popular characters, then creating threads celebrating popular characters.

[Verifying]

Lolwut, Bioware listens to their fans. That's why Tali and Garrus were in ME2. They were probably just trying something new with the ammo. I actually enjoyed it. It forced a bit of strategy.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Collider wrote...

These fans, whether Thane, Tali, Miranda, whatever, aren't saying that squad mates that died in ME2 should be magically resurrected for ME3. They're saying have them survive beyond the suicide mission, and have them present in ME3 in less than a cameo, if not be a squad mate.

Why would they be petitioning BioWare to keep them alive if they weren't worried about them being reduced to a cameo because they can die?

All the characters can die, so "keeping people alive" will mess with somebody's carry over data. BioWare has shown so far that they want to honor the players' choices (somewhat, at least. We can argue whether or not they're doing a good job with it).

If they're asking for something more than a cameo for those who [i]do[i] survive, then they're asking for a lot of work. I think they wouldn't be petitioning if they weren't worried, unless I misunderstand what they're asking for.

[Kerilus]

Verifying wrote...

Lolwut, Bioware listens to their fans. That's why Tali and Garrus were in ME2. They were probably just trying something new with the ammo. I actually enjoyed it. It forced a bit of strategy.

Yep. I think the fact that they're romancible due no small part to their fan base.

[Ehlisuun]

Ninja Ataris said: "People are just expressing their opinions. Personally I find whine threads worse."



This got a good laugh outta me so thank you!



As an FYI to everyone, multiple devs have said to expect this game to take less time to make because it is the final game in the series and they don't have to make sure that decisions made while playing it will match up with a following game. They also said to expect most of the squadmates from this one back in the next.

[Cutlass Jack]

Throwing in my support for Blank in ME3.

[HelterSkelter89]

it's already been stated that if your shepard dies in me2 that save file won't be valid for import in me3. im sure they will make the characters that didn't die show up and the ones who did not, just like kaidan and ashley. people are saying oh there's like ### combinations of characters surviving and dying. on 2 discs do you know how much space there is? do you realize how very little space is need to verify whether or not a character lived or died? lots and not lots respectively. no need to worry about tali, or garrus, or any of the people you liked from me2 not being in me3 and no need to clutter up the forums with those useless posts. the important characters like tali, garrus, or liara are integral to the story and the franchise, they will be squad mates for sure. the other characters are not going to be decided by petitions, they are not going to develop a game tailored to these stupid petition threads wants.

[Collider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Why would they be petitioning BioWare to keep them alive if they weren't worried about them being reduced to a cameo because they can die?

All the characters can die, so "keeping people alive" will mess with somebody's carry over data.

No. Take for example Thane. He can survive the suicide mission, but he is apparently sick. Bioware can decide to have Thane live onto ME3, instead of having him die of his disease. Bioware can decide that certain characters will die before the events of ME3, even if they survived the suicide mission. In a sense, as well, having characters "alive" means they have more than cameos.

If they're asking for something more than a cameo for those who [i]do[i] survive, then they're asking for a lot of work. I think they wouldn't be petitioning if they weren't worried, unless I misunderstand what they're asking for.

Is it a lot of work? Don't you think creating new characters would be more work? There is a lot to do when creating new characters - especially squad mates. You need to decide the design, model, texture, voice actor, lines, backstory, personality, and how to integrate them within the plot. If you've seen the video on character design, especially when he talks about SuZe - new characters (the important ones) go through so many mutations and evolution before they are finalized.

But how about existing characters? You've already got a lot of precedence to decide what they will say, do, and why they will. They've got the same face. Having ME2 characters have more than cameos in ME3 is only as much work as having them have more than minor roles in ME2 itself, if not easier. If Bioware can do it once, they can't do it again. They already trumped ME1 by having double the squad mates, yet the same/more amount of conversations/content with them.

[Sageless Ranger]

Most of the threads are about discussing the character, and elements on the game, sure there are some post that just say "Love Tali!" or whatnot, but alot is actual conversation and debates, and a place for people who think alike to talk and hang out.

Modifié par Sageless Ranger, 09 février 2010 - 03:02 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Collider wrote...


No. Take for example Thane. He can survive the suicide mission, but he is apparently sick. Bioware can decide to have Thane live onto ME3, instead of having him die of his disease. Bioware can decide that certain characters will die before the events of ME3, even if they survived the suicide mission. In a sense, as well, having characters "alive" means they have more than cameos.

Fair enough, but that's only applicable to a couple characters, really.

Is it a lot of work? Don't you think creating new characters would be more work? There is a lot to do when creating new characters - especially squad mates. You need to decide the design, model, texture, voice actor, lines, backstory, personality, and how to integrate them within the plot. If you've seen the video on character design, especially when he talks about SuZe - new characters (the important ones) go through so many mutations and evolution before they are finalized.

But how about existing characters? You've already got a lot of precedence to decide what they will say, do, and why they will. They've got the same face. Having ME2 characters have more than cameos in ME3 is only as much work as having them have more than minor roles in ME2 itself, if not easier. If Bioware can do it once, they can't do it again. They already trumped ME1 by having double the squad mates, yet the same/more amount of conversations/content with them.

If they kept the existing characters around, they'd still have to design replacement characters for their roles if they're absent. See Urdnot Wreav in place of Urdnot Wrex.

It's more work to keep the existing ones alive and still have to make the new ones for those who killed those people off.

[Kuari999]

The threads annoy me because they obviously ARE going to carry over to the next game. You don't make a game that focuses almost entirely on your squad if the squad isn't going to be important. It would make ME2 entirely pointless.  They repeatedly warned us ME2 will have dire consequences on ME3.  So why make the most important consequences unimportant?

Modifié par Kuari999, 09 février 2010 - 03:06 .