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[Markinator_123]

I really need to read Ascension, but it seems that most of people I know who has read the book seem convinced that the Illusive man is an evil individual. I never trusted him in the game and he has some morally reprehensible methods. Something tells me that he is more than an extremist.  Nonetheless, do anyone of you agree with this assertion that the TIM is evil?

Modifié par Markinator_123, 09 février 2010 - 04:28 .

[Koolness]

I hope not, that would be cliche and unoriginal. Everyone sees it coming, so Bioware should pull a fast on us.

[Chris2112534566]

he's a necessary Evil

[marshalleck]

Depends on your definition of evil.

He's not a "Dr. Evil" comic book villain if that's what you're asking.

Modifié par marshalleck, 09 février 2010 - 04:30 .

[Kenthen]

I believe that TIM believes himself when he says he's doing what's best for humanity.

[Abirn]

EVIL in what sense? He is unethical to say the least in his advancement of the human race. That said.



THERE IS A FLEET OF ULTRA MACHINES WAITING TO EXTERMINATE THE GALAXY.

(I think in these morality debates too many people forget this part of the context)



If it requires unethical behavior to survive then you do what you must to survive. Yes morals are all fine and good. But what is the point if you don't live to talk about your morals.

[Kileyan]

He is a necessary evil, but come off very much like Saren. If he can't win, he'll sell everyone out to the reapers. Just my opinion.

[Agamemnon2589]

Of course he's not pure evil. He's a manipulative bastard, though, and he's certainly not good in any sense of the word. Look at all the terrible things he's sanctioned. He's kind of like Hitler.

[marshalleck]

And Godwin'ed.

[Splinter Cell 108]

Just by knowing that he runs Cerberus is enough for me to think that way about him. How could he want that damn station to stay intact? It's basically a Reaper factory, that says enough about him. He's evil no matter what. He's a mysterious person too, I've heard that he has been alive since the Mars Ruins were discovered. Anyone that has lived that long and looks like he's on his late 30s must have had something done. I doubt it was cybernetics, implants or any of that stuff. Something about him is very wrong.

[Cutlass Jack]

Did anyone need to read the book to know he was evil? Seemed painfully obvious to me.

[Agamemnon2589]

Splinter Cell 108 wrote...

Just by knowing that he runs Cerberus is enough for me to think that way about him. How could he want that damn station to stay intact? It's basically a Reaper factory, that says enough about him. He's evil no matter what. He's a mysterious person too, I've heard that he has been alive since the Mars Ruins were discovered. Anyone that has lived that long and looks like he's on his late 30s must have had something done. I doubt it was cybernetics, implants or any of that stuff. Something about him is very wrong.

Actually if you read the books they mention quite often that with advancements in genetics people are still able to look young well into their 60's. Kahlee Sanders in "Ascension" is in her 40's and looks like she's in her late 20's/early 30's. So the Illusive man, for all we know, could very well be 100 years old, considering he only looks like he's in his 50's or early 60's.

[Adon 9]

I would say he's a man who has become evil but doesn't realize it. His baseline intention (he wants to improve the lot of humanity) isn't so bad, but he fully intends to have it so that humanity dominates over other species, and that Cerberus dominates humanity. He's likely had a long time to rationalize his more dubious decisions as being necessary or the most practical way to do things, to the point where he never questions his own judgment. He's actually kind of like General Bullmoose from Li'l Abner in that regard, whose motto was "What's good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA." His is similar: "What's good for Cerberus is good for humanity." There is a massive amount of hubris in that point of view.



An interesting character, one with good intentions, but definitely not someone I would want at my back or guiding humanity as a whole.

[Spectre_Shepard]

i will destroy him.

[Randy1012]

Chris2112534566 wrote...

he's a necessary Evil

No, he's not necessary. Nor is his organization. He thinks he's helping humanity, but in the long run he'll only end up hurting them.

Modifié par Randy1083, 09 février 2010 - 04:41 .

[Agamemnon2589]

I really hope that we get to kill him in ME3, or maybe convince him to sacrifice himself for the TRUE greater good. Would be kind of nice to see the Illusive Man turned even a little bit to the paragon side.

[marshalleck]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

I really hope that we get to kill him in ME3, or maybe convince him to sacrifice himself for the TRUE greater good. Would be kind of nice to see the Illusive Man turned even a little bit to the paragon side.

Killing people or forcing them to kill themselves is paragon now?

[Markinator_123]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Did anyone need to read the book to know he was evil? Seemed painfully obvious to me.

Depends on how you look at it. He is definitely no saint but he tries to justify it by claiming that he has humanity's best interests at heart. What makes me think of him as quite evil he is that he wants human dominance and is willing to do anything to achieve it. Personally, I can not see anything good coming out of human dominance of the galaxy.

Ultimately,  I say that in ME2, we are basically working with a villain.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 09 février 2010 - 04:49 .

[Chris2112534566]

Kileyan wrote...

He is a necessary evil, but come off very much like Saren. If he can't win, he'll sell everyone out to the reapers. Just my opinion.

no not T.I.M, he is way too in love with his own race to do that. he wouldnt even offer another Race to the Reapers out of fear that Humanity may need them at some point. he is a cold calculating man. eveything he does he has thought every detail how it may end and what he can do to tip the odds in his and Humanity's favor. he doesnt lack morals what so ever. he just believes so immencely in his morals that he is willing to do anything to preserve them.
he would be willing to sacrifice thousands of lives to save billions of lives. aslong as there is that slight hope that some way he could protect Humanity, just because everyone else see these acts as "evil" doesn't mean they are.
he is just plainly put The only man willing to do this job,because he knows the cost if nothing is done. where others would hesitate or roll. he will stand firm in his beliefs and dedication to Humanity.

but thats just my opinion

[DuffyMJ]

People are nuts who don't think he's evil. I mean, his project to get Shepard is called the Lazarus Project. Why is this important? Well because Lazarus wasn't a hero or anything like that, for Shepard something like Phoenix Project would be appropriate. Lazarus Project implies that the one reviving Lazarus and not Lazarus himself is a supreme being (Christ resurrected Lazarus). So The Illusive Man is basically implying that he's bigger than Jesus. I'm so looking forward to his galactic empire... not...

[Maj.Pain007]

Are they in audio book form yet?

[Unato]

I don't think he's portrayed as being evil in Ascension, he just seems willing to do <anything> to make sure humanity is on top which includes injecting drugs into a little girl and that act ( plus other actions that you read about in the book ) makes him evil.

[ImpactedBurrito]

I think we will need The Illusive Man as long as the reapers are still around. If you really think about it at the end of ME2, saving the collector base isn't that bad. Think of it logically, we're gonna need everything we can get from that base because our technology is based on the Mass Relays, which the Reapers built. We will need the technology of that Collector Base. Again, if you really think that TIM is evil then, that's your choice but would you really leave the fate of the galaxy in the hands of the stupid Council? They're pretty much cowards to me, they wouldn't even listen to you and you freakin' saved them! If you save them in ME1 that is.

[h_pepon]

Is he evil? I don't know. He seems to care for humanity though.



But, if he touches Miranda because she quitted in the end, I will surely kill him.

[Tahleron1]

TIM is born straight from "The Prince", I'd have thought it quite obvious, but meh, guess I'm getting old

Modifié par Tahleron1, 09 février 2010 - 05:51 .