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[Madlax27]

As the topic suggests, I am here looking for input on fighting dragons on Hard or Nightmare difficulty.

As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way to kill full sized dragons  (at least the two I have encountered thus far).

Luckily, both fights are optional, so while they might enhance the story some way or give special items, it isn't required to fight them.

However, there is absolutely no way to do it.

3 ranged + 1 tank doesnt work because eventually the dragon will grab the tank and kill him no matter how many potions I have stocked up.

2 ranged + 2 tanks dont work because eventually the dragon will grab one of the tanks, kill him, then eventually grab the other tank, and kill him too.

The reason why they don't work is simple, the dragon has WAY too much HP and armor on Hard+ difficulty.  Archery deals around 4-5 damage per shot.  Even Slayer shot, which can instantly kill normal monsters on Hard difficulty does only about 50-60 to a dragon.    Thus, no matter how long the tanks can hold the dragon with potions, the dragon will eventually grab and kill them because it doesn't lose HP.

Magic would seem like it could work a little except that against one of the dragons you dont have access to Morrigan with, and my character isn't a mage (mine is the archer).  Wynne is dead in my game, but I doubt she would help that much in this fight.  Or maybe she would?


Anyone have any luck beating a dragon on Hard+ legitimately that could offer some advice? =X

[On_Slaught]

As the devs have said many times, dragons are dragons. The fights aren't supposed to be balanced or fun. They are suppose to be borderline impossible, but doable.

[Madlax27]

Yeah I expected that they were designed to be impossible, but that is why I was asking for advice to see if anyone has managed to kill them =P.

[Wissenschaft]

People have killed them and you do get good loot for doing so. Good luck with killing them though. A mage certainly helps. Also, use talents that reduce armor like the archery shatter talent.

[Sharog]

i killed both the high dragon @ turn and flemith on nightmare mode, wasnt that impossible as u described. there are 2 ways to save ur tank when the dragon grabs it, one is to CoC it, i found the ingame bosses has weak resistance to that spell. second way is to forcefield ur tank, he cant be killed with in the spell. when dragon lose agro simply crushing prison ur tank, it will allow him to move again.



with that said, as long as ur tank dont die it should be fine, about ur archer, with aimed shot mode and 15 armor penetration rating u do about 15-20 on it. takes a while but the dragon will die eventually. i remember at some point my tank died but dragons sometimes enter this ranged mode where they just shoot fireblast on one of ur chars, since i decked it out with dragonscale fire resistance gear, i just stood there with my archer and ranged tank the last 20%.

[Necrophantasia]

Which two dragons have you encountered so far? . I wanna fight one too!

[BW_Lee]

They can certainly be killed on Normal, through a lot of strategy, great gear, and a sprinkling of luck. I have never tried them on a harder difficulty level. I recommend coming for them when you are nearing the end of the game, and are a certifiable BA.

[Jersey75639]

Necrophantasia wrote...

Which two dragons have you encountered so far? . I wanna fight one too!

theres one involved with the urn of sacred ashes quest (the only real dragon as far as I know), and Flemeth turns into one that you have to kill as part of a Morrigan sidequest.

both are optional

Modifié par Jersey75639, 06 novembre 2009 - 07:34 .

[MrGOH]

I've killed two dragons on hard; flemeth and the high dragon. I sorta lucked out when I killed Flemeth, since it came down to Wynne (the other party members were dead) being out of reach and just shooting arcane bolts for a minute or two. I killed the high dragon by having wynne constantly heal two tanks while Zevran backstabbed it over and over with his dual wield. I don't know why it ignored Zevran, who was beating out the warriors for DPS output - maybe because the damage was in smaller increments, though at a fast pace. Zevran would get kicked a bunch, but I just had him chug potions and hop back in the fight.

[Sharog]

Here is an auto script for a 2 warrior 1 mage + random PC auto script for dealing with Flemith on Nightmare mode. it does cost u quite a few potions but hej, if u want it on automatic... pay the price.



Warrior #1: (alastair Aggressive)

Self: Any -> Threaten

Self: Any -> Precise Strike

Self: Any -> Shield wall

Self: HP < 50% -> Use health pot

Shale HP < 50% -> Use Taunt

Stamina > 50% -> Use Assault



Warrior #2: Shale (Aggressive)

Self: Any -> Use Threaten

Self: Any -> Use precise strike

Self: Any -> Use Stone Heart

Self: Hp < 50% -> Use Health pot

Alastair Hp < 50% -> Use Taunt

Self: Stamina > 50% -> Use Slam

Enemy: Hp < 10% -> use Killing blow



Mage(healer Wynne Ranged):

Ally: Hp < 90% use regenerate

Ally: HP < 75% use heal

Ally: Hp < 25% use Lifeward

Self: Hp < 50% use health pot

Self: Mana < 25% use mana pot

Ally: under ranged attack -> Use heroic Aura

Self: under melee attack -> Use Stone armor





After placing all units spread out in to position, i just watched the fight and occasionly clicking Critical shot on my dwarven rogue archer. My chars are around lvl 18, but it would be just as simple on lvl 15-16 ish.

[nhonny]

For Flemith fight, I had me as a warrior, Alistair as tank, Wynne healing, and Leliana shooting arrows. At initial start, Wynne and Leliana should be standing there shooting and healing. As for my other 2 characters, they went to attack. I made sure they are at opposite ends of each other. Whoever, the dragon is facing to attack, take control of that character and step back to the edge away from the other 3. Flemith should only be shooting fireballs at you. Heal up with poultrices if you have to. I generally keep everyone's HP above halfway mark. Eventually Flemith will jump and turn toward the other guy hitting her. Switch characters and do the same as you did with the other guy. I did this on hard mode and used roughly around 30 poultrices, normals and lessers and manas for Wynne. The important thing about this fight is that if anyone is going to melee the dragon, make sure that character isn't getting hit directly from Flemith or that character will end up getting picked up and crushed to death from Flemith's jaws. Oh yes, pray one of your melees should get the last hit for an awesome deathblow. XD

[th3warr1or]

Even for Flemeth, I used Easy.. and even then already I was dealing badass stuff.

[Aryma]

I guess I was fortunate.. I was able to keep a dragon occupied on 1 tank while I drank potions and healed him.. This was on normal.

[Narial]

not having wynn is why you cant do it. she's really not an optional party member for the really hard fights

[Sebiale]

Srsly, without Wynne's epic heals, the tougher fights turn into a potion fest.

[Zeluna]

If you killed Wynne at the Mages tower that was a HUGE mistake. She is at higher levels a fantastic healer and needs to be fully specced as such for the great heals she does. Reload your game at the point in the Chantry where you have to make the decision to kill everything up in the tower end scene and make sure you tell the trapped knight that you won't kill everyone otherwise it will be a confrontation and she will die (1vs3). I got sick to my stomach after I killed her and decided to reload and replay it differently. She is such a great and compassionate healer. There is no way I'm letting her die. She is brilliant inside the fade battling the demons solo too. Morgan gets wiped cause shes my dpser. You need Wynne. She my mother figure in the game lol

[Incognito JC]

Fought Flemeth with Wynne, Shale (awesome tanking), and Lelianna (ranged - bow). My PC is a berserker/champ warrior. Wynne and Lelianna were kept far away doing their stuff, while Shale tanked up front keeping it busy. Had my PC hacked and slash behind the dragon until it fell.



High dragon was done with Wynne, Morrigan, Lelianna. All 3 were kept at a distance doing debuffs, heals and attacks while my PC kept the dragon busy away from the other 3. Significantly harder than Flemeth either because the level scale was higher when I fought high dragon, or I didn't have another tank. Either way the loot was worth it, 15 equips in one drop.



Both done in hard mode. MP potions are crucial, you need the mages to keep casting.

[Jinnth]

Wynne is dead ? you mean you expect to beat the toughest enemies in the game without a real healer ? yes that "may" be why you can't do it.


I play on nigtmare. My PC is a tank, for high dragon I went with morrigan, wynne and leliana, pretty straight forward, a lot of heals , a lot of potions, and eventually the dragon died. For flemeth I took alistair instead of morrigan, he died in the first few seconds of the encounter as flemet spammed AoE dealing insane damage on both my PC and alistair so I had to sacrifice one to not lose both. From there it was same as above, spam heals and potions until flemet dies.

for the insta-kill grab, honestly i've never seen it happen, my character has been grabbed but I don't remmeber being insta-killed by it, I just keep healing until he drops me.

Modifié par Jinnth, 07 novembre 2009 - 04:50 .

[Grengrad]

Dragons are doable on nightmare difficulty, but you basically have to pause for almost every action and control most of the actions. You just cant risk a spell being cast wrong or your rogue deciding to walk into that AOE, etc.

I can play most fights close to real time, but for dragons you just have to have a lot of patients, and then it is very doable.

I think it is a must to have at 2 mages that both have heal, regeneration, and if possible group heal.

My main was a DPS mage, but I still took the spirit healer spec first for group heal, it is that good.

[Setadoon]

Wish Flemeth would drop 15 items like the High dragon did. Only the key (and some fun) .....

[Herethos]

Well Flemeth isn't a "real" dragon.

[Ub3r_]

Flemeth is a real dragon as far as dificulty goes, she is considered a high dragon, i killed her first try, with some luck, i used: Alistair - Defensive sword and board, Lelianna - Ranged, Wynne - Heal-bot and my DPS mage built with some CC. Was fairly easy, only had one slip up - my DPS mage is an aggro ****, seeing as its the source of my DPS (Lelianna is more a debuffer) - so being an aggro **** i died, but i just used Wynne's res and im back into it, won the fight with all party members standing on my first attempt

[Madlax27]

Wow, I guess a healer really makes that big of a difference. For story reasons I cant let Wynne live (because it doesn't fit the character). Still, I just beat the game on Hard and the two optional dragons were the only fights I couldn't complete. I'll just have to pick up Wynne on my next game for healing and do the dragons then . Thanks for the advice guys.

[Vamp teddy]

I did them on normal only... but seems i am the only one who decided to just keep 3 fighting char's, and use Shale as a booster only.



It made it a lot easier to control the fight, and made for a very certain win



worked on both like a charm...



though i also noticed, you can kill the high dragon, by running around between 2 spots the dragon usually lands at... standing fairly in the middle, and moving a bit side to side, i almost had wynne solo it at a point

[TheLeafy]

Have a warrior with high fire resistance, armor, and Shield Wall with Shield Mastery (can't be knocked down, important) taunt and tank, someone healing him, and your remaining members quietly poking the dragon down with ranged attacks. As long as everybody's spread out and your tank is able to maintain aggro, its AoE attacks won't destroy you and neither will Bite. It's really not that difficult with proper gear, even on Nightmare.