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[Sageless Ranger]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Sageless Ranger wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

This thread has become amazing and I will no longer take into account Talimancer arguments, because they are baseless. Anyone else have any input to this?

Oh yeah and you might want to hide your sig so I can take your argument seriously if your a Talimancer... I like to hear more takes on this.

Could of sworn you liked Tali.

I admire your passion but you seem to flip flop a lot.

I never said anything against Tali herself .See I understand how this works. You don't hate a character because of his/her fans, you attack the fans for being "stupid" (you in particular (so far)) have not proven as air-headed as your compatriots and again I can respect that. Truth is I like Tali quite a bit, she has done nothing but good in my playthroughs. Yet, she has not proven to be more useful than Liara. The scary truth is that she is not even close and the Tali Cult I'll say (as I don't consider you to be of that order) keeps making up stories to try to shoehorn belief that she does and it makes no sense. If it makes sense to you, then you would begin to scare me. Yet my logic will stand on it's own and so will the truth and everyone with half a brain knows the truth and unfortunately the truth in this case does not favor the Talimancers, sorry.

I don't see why some of the Tali fans are arguing with you, loving Tali as a character is irrelevant when discussing which character has the most important role in terms of saving the galaxy. We try and keep the excitable Tali fans in line, but one can only do so much lol. 

 And because of people like you I will never become a Tali hater or have a problem with all of her fans. I think you are thinking logically because I meant no negativity towards anyones favorite character. It just amazes me how far some fanboys will go and for what?

Thank you for that, it is good to know the "real" Tali fans. Like I said with another, I can truly respect you for being an objective thinker.

Heck, Im replaying ME1 with no romance for Tali, and I'm having a hard time resisting Liara because I like her so much! She was my first LI after all =D And I refuse to have a real playthrough where I cheat on Liara, I couldn't do that to her =(  Very excited for both of their appearances in ME3. 

[Mox Ruuga]

Cutlass Jack wrote...


You simply cannot call her loyalty mission a rescue without calling most loyalty missions a rescue. She was a full participant at all times, and could have simply avoided coming to her own trial. You were attempting to rescue her father, which puts it on par with Jacob/Miranda/Thane's missions. Jack's you could argue was rescuing her from her inner demons, etc. Hell, even Liara's mission was a bit of a rescue by that yardstick.

The trial, where you defend her. I would easily call that a "rescue". Not the actual fighting onboard the overrun ship. Rescuing family members does not count. Rather, the trial is a classic damsel in distress situation: the fair lady's honor is threatened by scandalous slander, and the white knight steps in to protect her (and her family's) virtue. Older than print. 

You are right tho, it is off topic for the thread. Seems to be a touchy subject for Tali fans for some reason tho. Oh well, I'll stop derailing the thread.

[KainrycKarr]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...
 (And why so much Tali vs Liara? They're both sweet and adorable!)

I thought the same thing. Then I was attacked for Liking Liara. But I have two Tali fans who have warped my entire view on Tali fans for the better, although I will always be vigilant for the crazy ones, as with any character fan group.

If a Tali fan walks up to you and asks if you'd like to buy a doll....say no.

Take my word on this one.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think it is either Kelly or Joker. If they didn't force me to jump through the Omega 4 Relay than I would never make the jump to the final mission. I am a hero, but I am not that crazy!

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Chaos-fusion wrote...
 (And why so much Tali vs Liara? They're both sweet and adorable!)

I thought the same thing. Then I was attacked for Liking Liara. But I have two Tali fans who have warped my entire view on Tali fans for the better, although I will always be vigilant for the crazy ones, as with any character fan group.

If a Tali fan walks up to you and asks if you'd like to buy a doll....say no.

Take my word on this one.

ROFL! noted.

[Giogiogio4]

If we recall to the begining this form was about sqaudmates. Someone said Anderson was important and was pushed aside because he was not a squad member. and the question of the form clearly states



"From what we have seen"



Thus concludes ME1-ME2. Liara isnt a squadmate in ME2 so she basicly is not able to be chosen.She gave up Squadmate status and the overall good of the galaxy for the shadowbroker and deskwork. So unless she makes a comeback in ME3 shes off the list. Idk about you guys but without Tali and the whole crew in ME2 everyone wouldve died. And i didnt see Liara helping me when a giant human reaper was blasting lasers at me. So if i wouldve died ME would be over thus Shepard would be over. without Shepard theres no ME. Guess Liara forgot that after she helped bring him back.



And BTW. if we are going on the logic we can pick anyone thenthe most important Squadmate is the CHEF. cuz without his cooking we wouldve starved and died.

[Nastrod]

Well I do find some flaws

Miranda- She was just the team lead. Miranda is not a super scientist so she is not the main reason he was put together. Where in her history does it give the idea she is studied enough to do something like that? Maybe that is why TIM already knew about Mordin because he had to find great scientists for this. With TIM's money he could have got others to put Shep together, be the doctors, and/ scientists but Miranda was the truisted one to make sure it happened. TIM's money was the biggest factor and TIM's connections.It does show leadership for her though.I could be wrong on this though but seemed just like she was just the
lead. Can the Microsoft CEO do everything in the company? no but he
does run it.

The biotic barrier at the end of ME2- Liara could have done that just as easy.

Tali-She showed proof of Saren and ok she did. So what though? So if Tali was not there would Shep and Anderson just stop doing anything?? No he would just not have been a spectre but would still went after Saren in the end.

Mordin- Ok ya he did help a lot and he is a major factor.

Liara -She is major no denying it.

So far the biggest and IMO the only truly need players are Liara for ME1 and Mordin for ME2

Modifié par Nastrod, 09 février 2010 - 09:12 .

[DigitalMaster37]

Giogiogio4 wrote...

If we recall to the begining this form was about sqaudmates. Someone said Anderson was important and was pushed aside because he was not a squad member. and the question of the form clearly states

"From what we have seen"

Thus concludes ME1-ME2. Liara isnt a squadmate in ME2 so she basicly is not able to be chosen.She gave up Squadmate status and the overall good of the galaxy for the shadowbroker and deskwork. So unless she makes a comeback in ME3 shes off the list. Idk about you guys but without Tali and the whole crew in ME2 everyone wouldve died. And i didnt see Liara helping me when a giant human reaper was blasting lasers at me. So if i wouldve died ME would be over thus Shepard would be over. without Shepard theres no ME. Guess Liara forgot that after she helped bring him back.

And BTW. if we are going on the logic we can pick anyone thenthe most important Squadmate is the CHEF. cuz without his cooking we wouldve starved and died.

dude....just let it go. You are clearly butthurt for whatever reason, just let it go and breathe...breathe....breathe...

[DigitalMaster37]

Nastrod wrote...

Well I do find some flaws

Miranda- She was just the team lead. Miranda is not a super scientist so she is not the main reason he was put together. Where in her history does it give the idea she is studied enough to do something like that? Maybe that is why TIM already knew about Mordin because he had to find great scientists for this. With TIM's money he could have got others to put Shep together, be the doctors, and/ scientists but Miranda was the truisted one to make sure it happened. TIM's money was the biggest factor and TIM's connections.It does show leadership for her though.

The biotic barrier at the end of ME2- Liara could have done that just as easy. I could be wrong on this though but seemed just like she was just the lead. Can the Microsoft CEO do everything in the company? no but he does run it.

Tali-She showed proof of Saren and ok she did. So what though? So if Tali was not there would Shep and Anderson just stop doing anything?? No he would just not have been a spectre but would still went after Saren in the end.

Mordin- Ok ya he did help a lot and he is a major factor.

Liara -She is major no denying it.

So far the biggest and IMO the only truly need players are Liara for ME1 and Mordin for ME2

I agree, Mordin is also very important. For the Record he is really high on my favorite character list also. I really like that brilliant Salarian.

[DigitalMaster37]

Luc0s wrote...

My top 5 most vital squad members (story-wise):

1. Liara:
Hew knowledge was vital in order to get to Ilos. Also, without her TIM couldn't have brought you back to life.

2. Miranda:
She worked 2 years straight on rebuilding you. Sure, TIM payed all the bills, but she did the actual work.

3. Tali:
Her knowledge on the geth and ofcourse her evidence against Saren played a vital role.

4.Garrus:
Why Garrus? Well, he was the one who tipped you about the quarian (Tali) in the first place. Also I think that everyone needs friends and Garrus has become one of Shepard's closest buddies (not considering the romance options).

5. Mordin:
Without him, Horizon and any other Collector encounter would have ended in a dramatic failure.

Very logical. And I agree,

[Myounage]

Joker. he was probably one of the ONLY pilots that could've made that precision drop(mako) on Ilos. Another pilot probably couldn't have done it, and Saren would have succeeded.

[Malanek]

Liara was most important in ME1, Mordin was most important in ME2.

[Kyle Dei]

I state my opinion and get called a Rabid tali-fan? Xenophobic! My shep has never had an alien romance and never will. My personal opinion is that Tali did more than Liara. In ME1 I did not use Liara. My main team was usually Wrex/Garrus or Tali/Ash. Before you ask why I used aliens, it's because one could pick locks and the other charged right on in for the combat.



Here's my list if you're looking for logic.



1. Miranda - Worked for 2 years to revive Shep.

2. Tali - The initial information on Saren, then coming back to help Shep on the suicide mission.

3. Mordin - Without him, no counter to the swarms and he likely helped with the installation of upgrades on the normandy.

4. Liara - She is this low on my list because she never did anything worthy in MY book. Yes, she looked at a planet and said Ilos. Yes she gave the slab of meat to TIM. But she didn't drop the desk job for my shep, instead asked me to run around like a headless idiot for her.



Those are my top four members from both games.

[LOST GAM3R]

Garrus has far better leadership skills than Miranda. He knows how to get the job done. Every mercenary group joined forces to take him down and they still couldn't take him out.

[DigitalMaster37]

Malanek999 wrote...

Liara was most important in ME1, Mordin was most important in ME2.

Mordin was quite vital in ME2. He is one of my favs. So you don't think anyone else has a high level of importance in the entire game squad-wise?

[Malanek]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Liara was most important in ME1, Mordin was most important in ME2.

Mordin was quite vital in ME2. He is one of my favs. So you don't think anyone else has a high level of importance in the entire game squad-wise?

Other characters have done some important things throughout the story so far but by and large have not been unique or made an irreplaceable contribution. I guess EDI would also be up there, but of course may not be considered a squadmate.

[DigitalMaster37]

Shavon wrote...

In Mass Effect 2? Again, it depends on who my Shep's best friend is, or who the li is, if the Li is too busy with the SB or the *in mocking voice* {i]Alliance[/i]. But ultimately, Mordin is the most important, I would agree. Then Garrus for the best friend. and insert the Li.

LOL! Shavon, that was hilarious.

[DigitalMaster37]

Malanek999 wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Liara was most important in ME1, Mordin was most important in ME2.

Mordin was quite vital in ME2. He is one of my favs. So you don't think anyone else has a high level of importance in the entire game squad-wise?

Other characters have done some important things throughout the story so far but by and large have not been unique or made an irreplaceable contribution. I guess EDI would also be up there, but of course may not be considered a squadmate.

Yeah EDI was quite essential. I somehow wish she was a tad more interactive with Shepard though.

[Mondo47]

Our trusty pilot Jeff Moreau has to win this one hands down. Seeing him blatting Collectors while I was doing my Dangeresque jump was pure win.