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[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points.

Modifié par Deltaboy37-1, 09 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[KainrycKarr]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points though.

Actually, I added that to show that I'm being honest, not biased about a favorite character.

[TyDurden13]

Well without EDI Normandy II would have been lost and we would have never been able to get the the Omega 4 relay.

[Arrtis]

I would have to say saren was also one important person to shepards journey.

[mmmu]

Liara / Mordin / Tali are probably the most vital. Their skills and knowledge about their respected specialities are vital. Now that we have EDI I'd have to say her as well. Without EDI we would've been torn apart atleast as many times as the Harbinger said it during the course of ME2.

[Arrtis]

mmmu wrote...

Liara / Mordin / Tali are probably the most vital. Their skills and knowledge about their respected specialities are vital. Now that we have EDI I'd have to say her as well. Without EDI we would've been torn apart atleast as many times as the Harbinger said it during the course of ME2.

true.i agree.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Shavon wrote...

Delta, it totally depends on my playthrough, but the main thee, has something to do with the li's. Yeah.

Exactly.  She's not even needed to do Noveria.  The only major thing she helps with is Ilos quite literally popping into her head after Virmire.  A conclusion that Shepard  never actually got the chance to discover for him/herself.  Having all the pieces of the puzzle means that Shepard would have figured it out regardless of Liara's cutscene.

To be honest, she spends most of her time feeling light-headed and being attended to by Doctor Chakwas.

I'm not saying she's not an important character, but like I did say, her involvement is very overrated.  Mordin is definitely a step above in so many ways.

Modifié par ShadowWolf_Kell, 09 février 2010 - 04:19 .

[Arrtis]

Did we need to go to Illos?If we stayed in Citadel we could have taken saren down before he took over.Although not sure how reaper fight would have went.

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points though.

Actually, I added that to show that I'm being honest, not biased about a favorite character.

Okay let me help you out. Yeah I love Liara, but you have just become a victim of what you recently posted in a Anti Tali hate thread. You just attacked Liara by adding negativity and taking a stab at her simply because you think I am being bias.

You are wrong, I would say this if Liara wasn't my favorite. Again though I am glad you seen clearly with your second statement.

It's a shame this LI hate will never stop. You being a Tali fan should no better than to throw around hate, but I guess my thoughts about you were correct to begin with...

[Barquiel]

Arrtis wrote...

Did we need to go to Illos?If we stayed in Citadel we could have taken saren down before he took over.Although not sure how reaper fight would have went.

I think we need Vigils data file

Modifié par Barquiel, 09 février 2010 - 04:22 .

[DigitalMaster37]

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Delta, it totally depends on my playthrough, but the main thee, has something to do with the li's. Yeah.

Exactly.  She's not even needed to do Noveria.  The only major thing she helps with is Ilos quite literally popping into her head after Virmire.  A conclusion that Shepard  never actually got the chance to discover for him/herself.  Having all the pieces of the puzzle means that Shepard would have figured it out regardless of Liara's cutscene.

To be honest, she spends most of her time feeling light-headed and being attended to by Doctor Chakwas.

I'm not saying she's not an important character, but like I did say, her involvement is very overrated.  Mordin is definitely a step above in so many ways.

You forget the beacons, without Liara, that would all be mush of information. Please don't forget that. You need a lot more proof if you're trying to discount Liara.

For the record, I am a Liara lover, but I am being completely rational. Liara is indeed the most vital member, not to even mention she HELPED TIM get SHeperds body. I didn't even initially mention that. Liara is almost the sole reason for success in both ME1 and ME2. Just look at the facts.

[Arrtis]

Barquiel wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

Did we need to go to Illos?If we stayed in Citadel we could have taken saren down before he took over.Although not sure how reaper fight would have went.

I think we need Vigils data file

Isnt that just so you could take back control over citadel?
If your there in the first place control would never had been lost.
Or did it do something more?
If im right then liara wouldnt be that important.

Modifié par Arrtis, 09 février 2010 - 04:24 .

[KainrycKarr]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points though.

Actually, I added that to show that I'm being honest, not biased about a favorite character.

Okay let me help you out. Yeah I love Liara, but you have just become a victim of what you recently posted in a Anti Tali hate thread. You just attacked Liara by adding negativity and taking a stab at her simply because you think I am being bias.

You are wrong, I would say this if Liara wasn't my favorite. Again though I am glad you seen clearly with your second statement.

It's a shame this LI hate will never stop. You being a Tali fan should no better than to throw around hate, but I guess my thoughts about you were correct to begin with...

...I didn't attack Liara at all? She's a good character, I just don't like her. Just like Ashley. I didn't say you were being biased. I said I was pointing out that I agree with you DESPITE bias.

You really need to calm down. I didn't say Liara sucks. I didn't say she should be killed off, or should be an npc.

I just said I didn't like her. That's it. There's plenty of people who don't like Tali, but aren't necessarily "hating" on her.

You need to see difference between "hate" and "differing opinion".

[VettoRyouzou]

1. Tali: She was the one that let the adventure begin, with out her we wouldn't have even met Liara and is the only other member to understand what Shepard has to do even if it means working with people she doesn't trust and really, Kaiden/Ashily have no reason to tell Shepard they refuse to help him case of cerebrus when they did allot more to tali people and she still helped him. Like tali or not one can not question her loyalty.

2. Garrus: All be it he never undid a cipher or found a planet he was one of the first to offer you his aid, and one of the first aliens to earn your trust he may not have paved the way but he did his job and he stood by the mission even after the events.

3. Joker: Well.. duh he the best polite out there.

4. Anderson: Common.. man needs his props.

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points though.

Actually, I added that to show that I'm being honest, not biased about a favorite character.

Okay let me help you out. Yeah I love Liara, but you have just become a victim of what you recently posted in a Anti Tali hate thread. You just attacked Liara by adding negativity and taking a stab at her simply because you think I am being bias.

You are wrong, I would say this if Liara wasn't my favorite. Again though I am glad you seen clearly with your second statement.

It's a shame this LI hate will never stop. You being a Tali fan should no better than to throw around hate, but I guess my thoughts about you were correct to begin with...

...I didn't attack Liara at all? She's a good character, I just don't like her. Just like Ashley. I didn't say you were being biased. I said I was pointing out that I agree with you DESPITE bias.

You really need to calm down. I didn't say Liara sucks. I didn't say she should be killed off, or should be an npc.

I just said I didn't like her. That's it. There's plenty of people who don't like Tali, but aren't necessarily "hating" on her.

You need to see difference between "hate" and "differing opinion".

Just so you know, I am in no way angry or up in arms, I can't show my expression when typing so I come in peace.
I am just saying that I thought your initial statement was so unecessary and thats it. I am in no way negatively affected by your opinion, but given the topic of this thread any LI hate statements are unwarranted and trust me I would defend Tali too. As a matter of a fact I have already on numerous occasions. I don't hate Tali, she is not my favorite member, but what would be the point of me stating that here in this thread? That's all I am saying.

[ShadowWolf_Kell]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points though.

Actually, I added that to show that I'm being honest, not biased about a favorite character.

Okay let me help you out. Yeah I love Liara, but you have just become a victim of what you recently posted in a Anti Tali hate thread. You just attacked Liara by adding negativity and taking a stab at her simply because you think I am being bias.

You are wrong, I would say this if Liara wasn't my favorite. Again though I am glad you seen clearly with your second statement.

It's a shame this LI hate will never stop. You being a Tali fan should no better than to throw around hate, but I guess my thoughts about you were correct to begin with...

I've yet to see anything you have stated within this thread to NOT ooze complete bias.  You've had no objectivity whatsoever and your tirade about Liara hate by Tali fans and whatnot just illustrates that.

As for me, I view most of the characters as expendable plot devices to add flavor and fluff to the story.  None of them are essential, and plays pretty much the same regardless of who you play with.

Personally I enjoy Garrus and Mordin the most.  If they don't make it into ME3, I'm not going to go all emo and slit my wrists.  The game is centered around Shepard.  The other characters are just fillers.

[Larask]

1) Liara: Without her, Shepard would have never found Illos. Also she was the one who recovered Shepard's body, so yeah she's very important.

2) Miranda: She also aided the search for Shepard's body, and then she was instrumental on the Lazarus Project.

3) Mordin: His help was essential on Horizon and beyond.



All the rest were also important, but they didn't have such vital roles as the ones above. Shepard could have completed her mission with others on their places, but definitely not w/t these three.

[KainrycKarr]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

I don't like Liara. At all.

But i agree. She plays an extremely vital role in the trilogy, and I believe she will, as she should, be a teammate and big player in ME3.

Also, Tali.

Was the "I don't like Liara. At all" necessary. Had I said anything remotely close to Tali hate, you would have called me something. I don't care who is anyone's favorite, I just care what you idea is on who is most vital. Glad you can be rational though as far as your other points though.

Actually, I added that to show that I'm being honest, not biased about a favorite character.

Okay let me help you out. Yeah I love Liara, but you have just become a victim of what you recently posted in a Anti Tali hate thread. You just attacked Liara by adding negativity and taking a stab at her simply because you think I am being bias.

You are wrong, I would say this if Liara wasn't my favorite. Again though I am glad you seen clearly with your second statement.

It's a shame this LI hate will never stop. You being a Tali fan should no better than to throw around hate, but I guess my thoughts about you were correct to begin with...

...I didn't attack Liara at all? She's a good character, I just don't like her. Just like Ashley. I didn't say you were being biased. I said I was pointing out that I agree with you DESPITE bias.

You really need to calm down. I didn't say Liara sucks. I didn't say she should be killed off, or should be an npc.

I just said I didn't like her. That's it. There's plenty of people who don't like Tali, but aren't necessarily "hating" on her.

You need to see difference between "hate" and "differing opinion".

Just so you know, I am in no way angry or up in arms, I can't show my expression when typing so I come in peace.
I am just saying that I thought your initial statement was so unecessary and thats it. I am in no way negatively affected by your opinion, but given the topic of this thread any LI hate statements are unwarranted and trust me I would defend Tali too. As a matter of a fact I have already on numerous occasions. I don't hate Tali, she is not my favorite member, but what would be the point of me stating that here in this thread? That's all I am saying.

Again, me stating my personal bias, and then stating my actual opinion in spite of said bias was intended to strengthen the argument that Liara is important, regardless of personal opinion. I can't make it much clearer.

Though we agree, so...I am not sure what we are "fighting" about. lol

[Soldier989]

Legion

[Arrtis]

So i guess im missing something.

[DigitalMaster37]

Shavon wrote...

ShadowWolf_Kell wrote...

Shavon wrote...

Delta, it totally depends on my playthrough, but the main thee, has something to do with the li's. Yeah.

Exactly.  She's not even needed to do Noveria.  The only major thing she helps with is Ilos quite literally popping into her head after Virmire.  A conclusion that Shepard  never actually got the chance to discover for him/herself.  Having all the pieces of the puzzle means that Shepard would have figured it out regardless of Liara's cutscene.

To be honest, she spends most of her time feeling light-headed and being attended to by Doctor Chakwas.

I'm not saying she's not an important character, but like I did say, her involvement is very overrated.  Mordin is definitely a step above in so many ways.

That's not quite what I meant.  Liara makes the difference between life and death for Shepard in  the interim of the two games.  I was speaking mostly of emotional quality.  Liara, realistically is perhaps the most vital character in the game, but without other people, at different times, Shepard wouldn't have made it:


TIM for the Lazarus Project
Seryna for Thane recruitment
Miranda for the first few minutes of Shep's second life
Kaidan/Ashley after the Eden Prime Beacon Knocks Shepard to the ground
The entire team Shepard builds for each endgame.

You get the point.

Shavon as my Group leader I totally respect your point of view, and agree for the most part, but I see Liara as responsible for the TIM project. She handed Shepherd over to TIM so that it could even begin.

The same thing goes for Miranda, she couldn't have done anything had it not been for Liara. TIM hired Liara to secure Shepherds body (issue #2 comic book).

Other than that, you are correct. Every member in some way or another is responsible for Shepherds success, I don't in any way mean to belittle any squad member by this thread. I just wanted to look at who played the most vital role.

[Barquiel]

Soldier989 wrote...

Legion

Why?