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[KainrycKarr]

Justin2k wrote...

Deltaboy, you are just a rabid fan who is a little over the top about a videogame character.

Liara is fairly minor in ME2, Tali is a main character. Shepard states clearly that Tali was instrumental in stopping Saren and taking down a reaper and was an ambassador for her entire race.

Liara is little mentioned beside the cameo she has and even then you get renegade points for helping her, so she is not a good person or fit for paragon Shepards.

Tali is far more instrumental in ME overall than Liara who was essentially a failed attempt of an Asari player character, which is why she was replaced in ME2. Support threads for Liara are far smaller than most of the other characters, even Alenko who was garbage. She just really isn't that popular.

Really, just give it a rest, you don't need to criticise everyone with a difference of opinion.

I understand both opinions, and like you, I don't like Liara.


But seriously. ME2 does not happen without Liara. She gets his body to Cerberus. Otherwise it ends up sold to the Collectors by the Shadow Broker.

I'd say that's pretty freakin' important.

[Kyle Dei]

Fanboy? In no way did I say I like Liara or Tali. I don't particularly like either of them. Xenophobic, get the picture?



You've made another assumption to trump a crucial piece of information. The fanboy in this thread I see is you claiming Liara to be the most crucial member, when in a way all members are as important as another. The fact is, no matter how you spin it, Tali is the critical point in ME1 allowing anything afterwards to take place. If you want to be technical, it's either Garrus or Wrex. Want to go further? Kaiden or Ashley.



As for ME2, Miranda. She brought Shep back to life. What did Liara do? Give them a chunk of meat. You didn't see Liara spending 2 years to bring him back.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

@ Mox Ruuga

Not lying about your posts. Anyone who cares enough one way or the other will find 'em. Beyond that, I know what I read, and i stand by it.

No? I have the post you referenced right here:

http://social.bioware.com/[url=http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1092772/2#1093670

Where, in that post, do I call for the death or "killing off" of Tali in the name of fairness? You may disagree with what I say, even think it "hate" or whatever, but please try to keep my words accurate in the future. Thanks in advance.

[Cutlass Jack]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

says who.The alliance could have done this. You might have forgotten that Anderson could have led an alliance search. You cling to much to one possibility since, now everyone wants to adopt the shoulda's and coulda's.

Because yeah the Alliance didn't have any trouble dealing with all the red tape the Council kept them bound up in. And of course Alliance intel (who completely dropped the ball on eden prime) would be able to easilly figure out that you needed to go find a random asari archeologist on a remote uncolonized world.

I completely agree.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 09 février 2010 - 07:33 .

[Giogiogio4]

To even point out another fact. if the Asari can link minds why didnt she help idk Link the info about the reaper AI to the citidel to prove everything shepard and his crew fought for? That couldve easily proved what happened since from my game she WAS there.



But she lets everything slide for her own agenda yet again while no1 thinks the reapers are real but Cerb and brush it off as a joke.

[KainrycKarr]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

@ Mox Ruuga

Not lying about your posts. Anyone who cares enough one way or the other will find 'em. Beyond that, I know what I read, and i stand by it.

No? I have the post you referenced right here:

http://social.bioware.com/[url=http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/1092772/2#1093670

Where, in that post, do I call for the death or "killing off" of Tali in the name of fairness? You may disagree with what I say, even think it "hate" or whatever, but please try to keep my words accurate in the future. Thanks in advance.

Not talking about that post. Also not going to argue with you any further.

I thought about it, and i truthfully don't care that much. I've made my opinion, and my points, clear. I still stand by them.

Thanks "in advance".

[Voicebox]

Except Liara isn't a squad mate anymore and you specifically told people they could only pick squadmates when someone suggested Captain Anderson.



So by default she's not an option.



secondly Tali is important yes, I get that but I'm getting tired of everyone talking about how great Tali is like she's god's gift to the earth. I never got the impression playing Mass Effect 1 that she was THAT important, and its funny because before I joined this forum I actually really liked Tali. I thought she was an ok add to the game and I now I find myself with horrendous angst ridden feelings towards her. Its not even her fault. She's not even real what am I saying.



Point is there really isn't 1 single character to me that is the reason shepard was able to save the Galaxy, Liara and the Illusive man are not squadmembers so we count them out. Tali...well yes is Mass effect 1 she had the information on Saren, but I'm certain we could have found and defeated Saren without if we had to. That aside I'm not including the first game either in Mass Effect 2 she serves as a love interest, you have to save her life twice to recruit her. Thane, again nothing of direct importance to the mission you recruit him for the final fight. Grunt, mmm nope just like thane no direct importance. Jack..same there. Mordin has some leverage because of his scientific knowledge so so far he is ahead. Lets see Legion, more geth knowledge and he did help us out on the reaper ship, but most important? Considering theres an option to give his body to the illusive man...nah Mordin still in the lead. Jacob...he helps you out in the first level, but pretty sure I could have beaten that without his help. Miranda, rebuilds you. Debatable wether she's more important than mordin because we can credit your life to the illusive man, but if Miranda wasn't there and it was just Wilson maybe you'd be dead maybe she was the only one who could be trusted. But then there is the counter argument that well... she wanted to control you with a chip in your brain. Samara, has intense loyalty based on the code but story purposes has no real impact. Garrus, again nothing really detrimental to the story as a whole. Am I missing anyone? Based on that Logic.



1. Mordin

2. Miranda

3. Really no one else, but I feel like putting Tali to appease the masses.

[Guaritor]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Okay here is one for you.
Who is the most vital member you have NEEDED to save the galaxy???

Obviously I say no#1 Liara, why?

Without her, we would still be stuck in ME1 and probably dead. She discovered Ilos and also helped us decifer the prothean visions. EDIT: ALSO she is responsible for HANDING Shepherds body to TIM so that Sheperd can even be resurrected. Liara is in every way responsible for Shep's success in both ME1 and ME2. ITs the truth.  She is a wealth of information and sexiness  (GOD I LOVE HER!!!)

2. Tali, she allowed us to get Saren out of the Spectres, without her we would have lost track of Saren. 
     but she is second because, with Liara we could have still decipered the conduit situation and the prothean visions regardless of Saren.

3. Mordin, we'd been dead on Horizon or still trying to figure out how to fight them without a pretective solution on our armor. need i say more

4. Samara/Suze - The Biotic bubble on the last mission in ME2. self explanatory

5. Miranda - leadership skills.

6... the rest are really great characters, but nothing special toward completing the mission in place of extra bodies and firepower.

Well if samara/suze are up there then legion/tali should be there too for the vents...  and garrus/miranda for their leadership of the second squad...

I believe legion/tali will both be instrumental in getting the help of their respective species in ME3 too...  Wrex is also rebuilding the krogan wrace, i can see that being important somewhere.  Joker, as others have said is instrumental in even making it to the collector base...

Very few of your squad is interchangeable... cept maybe zaeed and jacob, maybe thane too...

[DigitalMaster37]

Justin2k wrote...

Deltaboy, you are just a rabid fan who is a little over the top about a videogame character.

Liara is fairly minor in ME2, Tali is a main character. Shepard states clearly that Tali was instrumental in stopping Saren and taking down a reaper and was an ambassador for her entire race.

Liara is little mentioned beside the cameo she has and even then you get renegade points for helping her, so she is not a good person or fit for paragon Shepards.

Tali is far more instrumental in ME overall than Liara who was essentially a failed attempt of an Asari player character, which is why she was replaced in ME2. Support threads for Liara are far smaller than most of the other characters, even Alenko who was garbage. She just really isn't that popular.

Really, just give it a rest, you don't need to criticise everyone with a difference of opinion.

classic comeback, judge a person by what he judged you to be, you gotta be more original. Looking at this whole thread it is clear the Talimancers have hijacked it. It started off quite well until you guys got offended your Tali isn't the best thing since sliced bread, you really need to grow up. all of you really need to have a psychological and a mentality-related birthday.

[Mox Ruuga]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Not talking about that post. Also not going to argue with you any further.

I thought about it, and i truthfully don't care that much. I've made my opinion, and my points, clear. I still stand by them.

Thanks "in advance".

Taking your toys and going home, eh?

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

[Giogiogio4]

And im also done with this. from what i have seen the friging REAPER is the most important since the game wouldnt have happened without him or them.

[DigitalMaster37]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Deltaboy, you are just a rabid fan who is a little over the top about a videogame character.

Liara is fairly minor in ME2, Tali is a main character. Shepard states clearly that Tali was instrumental in stopping Saren and taking down a reaper and was an ambassador for her entire race.

Liara is little mentioned beside the cameo she has and even then you get renegade points for helping her, so she is not a good person or fit for paragon Shepards.

Tali is far more instrumental in ME overall than Liara who was essentially a failed attempt of an Asari player character, which is why she was replaced in ME2. Support threads for Liara are far smaller than most of the other characters, even Alenko who was garbage. She just really isn't that popular.

Really, just give it a rest, you don't need to criticise everyone with a difference of opinion.

I understand both opinions, and like you, I don't like Liara.


But seriously. ME2 does not happen without Liara. She gets his body to Cerberus. Otherwise it ends up sold to the Collectors by the Shadow Broker.

I'd say that's pretty freakin' important.

thank you, you are one of many Tali fans I think really are mature and don't like to start flame wars. Thank you for seeing I am not trying to be illogical.

[Cutlass Jack]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

classic comeback, judge a person by what he judged you to be, you gotta be more original. Looking at this whole thread it is clear the Talimancers have hijacked it. It started off quite well until you guys got offended your Tali isn't the best thing since sliced bread, you really need to grow up. all of you really need to have a psychological and a mentality-related birthday.

Quoted for Irony.

[Nozybidaj]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Deltaboy, you are just a rabid fan who is a little over the top about a videogame character.

Liara is fairly minor in ME2, Tali is a main character. Shepard states clearly that Tali was instrumental in stopping Saren and taking down a reaper and was an ambassador for her entire race.

Liara is little mentioned beside the cameo she has and even then you get renegade points for helping her, so she is not a good person or fit for paragon Shepards.

Tali is far more instrumental in ME overall than Liara who was essentially a failed attempt of an Asari player character, which is why she was replaced in ME2. Support threads for Liara are far smaller than most of the other characters, even Alenko who was garbage. She just really isn't that popular.

Really, just give it a rest, you don't need to criticise everyone with a difference of opinion.

classic comeback, judge a person by what he judged you to be, you gotta be more original. Looking at this whole thread it is clear the Talimancers have hijacked it. It started off quite well until you guys got offended your Tali isn't the best thing since sliced bread, you really need to grow up. all of you really need to have a psychological and a mentality-related birthday.

I would agree that Tali was instrumental in stopping Saren, providing you with the data tying Saren to the geth and the Eden Prime attack.

That said it isn't near as important as decoding the cipher, leading the team to Ilos, and recovering Shep's body after the Normandy attack.

I also agree that the Tali fandom is approaching near psychotic levels.  

[SonsofNorthWind]

Legion.

He's a race in one body.  Convince him, and you've got more bodies than you can count on your side.

[Giogiogio4]

No1 can take your choice seriously because your entire profile box for your post spams ( OMGZ Liaraz is #1 ) christ look at your sig as well. I agree with Tali not because im a fanboy. I agree with her because shes still in the game,not dead, and didnt ditch out. shes still in th egame from ME1 while almost everyone else but joker and the med bay woman is gone.

[Justin2k]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Deltaboy, you are just a rabid fan who is a little over the top about a videogame character.

Liara is fairly minor in ME2, Tali is a main character. Shepard states clearly that Tali was instrumental in stopping Saren and taking down a reaper and was an ambassador for her entire race.

Liara is little mentioned beside the cameo she has and even then you get renegade points for helping her, so she is not a good person or fit for paragon Shepards.

Tali is far more instrumental in ME overall than Liara who was essentially a failed attempt of an Asari player character, which is why she was replaced in ME2. Support threads for Liara are far smaller than most of the other characters, even Alenko who was garbage. She just really isn't that popular.

Really, just give it a rest, you don't need to criticise everyone with a difference of opinion.

classic comeback, judge a person by what he judged you to be, you gotta be more original. Looking at this whole thread it is clear the Talimancers have hijacked it. It started off quite well until you guys got offended your Tali isn't the best thing since sliced bread, you really need to grow up. all of you really need to have a psychological and a mentality-related birthday.

Except I'm not a "Tali-mancer".  I just feel that she is a superior squad mate to Liara, something which the majority seems to agree and something which seems to upset you far more than video game characters should.

Seriously, just move on.  It really is just a game.

[Barquiel]

Justin2k wrote...


Except I'm not a "Tali-mancer".  I just feel that she is a superior squad mate to Liara, something which the majority seems to agree and something which seems to upset you far more than video game characters should.

Seriously, just move on.  It really is just a game.

Someone really hates Liara...or didn't play ME1:whistle:

[Kyle Dei]

For the last time I'm not a Tali fan. Yes, without Liara you wouldn't have known it was Ilos you had to go to. But the story would never have got that far without Tali in the first place. Simple Logic. You can not rewrite the storyline to fit your 'Liara did more'.

Yes, she told you the planet was Ilos. Maybe she recovered Shep off her own back. I do not care for the comics. Without Tali being able to save some of the Geth memory, then this entire story would have ended at the citadel.

*EDIT* I only just noticed your Sig, but your opinion can't really be called unbiased when it says 'Liara #1 love' or whatever it is. You're biased about it so I think you need to let this topic die.

Modifié par Kyle Dei, 09 février 2010 - 07:52 .

[Dark Glasses]

You're right about Liara T'soni. She should be rewarded in ME3 somehow.

[Voicebox]

Kyle Dei wrote...

For the last time I'm not a Tali fan. Yes, without Liara you wouldn't have known it was Ilos you had to go to. But the story would never have got that far without Tali in the first place. Simple Logic. You can not rewrite the storyline to fit your 'Liara did more'.

Yes, she told you the planet was Ilos. Maybe she recovered Shep off her own back. I do not care for the comics. Without Tali being able to save some of the Geth memory, then this entire story would have ended at the citadel.

actually Liara does say in the game that she saved shepard but its a very easily missed scene.

[Giogiogio4]

Lol without TALIS proof of Sarens betrayel Shepard wouldnt have ever been a Spector thus finding Liara to even save her and she wouldve been dead.



Tali is the reason Liara lives and if Liara is that important then Tali is her GOD.



Haha.

[Barquiel]

Giogiogio4 wrote...

Lol without TALIS proof of Sarens betrayel Shepard wouldnt have ever been a Spector thus finding Liara to even save her and she wouldve been dead.

Tali is the reason Liara lives and if Liara is that important then Tali is her GOD.

Haha.

Dr Michel tells Shepard about Tali

Dr. Michel>Tali?

[Kyle Dei]

Voicebox wrote...

Kyle Dei wrote...

For the last time I'm not a Tali fan. Yes, without Liara you wouldn't have known it was Ilos you had to go to. But the story would never have got that far without Tali in the first place. Simple Logic. You can not rewrite the storyline to fit your 'Liara did more'.

Yes, she told you the planet was Ilos. Maybe she recovered Shep off her own back. I do not care for the comics. Without Tali being able to save some of the Geth memory, then this entire story would have ended at the citadel.

actually Liara does say in the game that she saved shepard but its a very easily missed scene.

Thanks Voicebox, I did miss that. But it seems Liara was still working for the Shadow Broker at the time. Doesn't neccessarily prove she was looking for Shep.

[Voicebox]

all hail Dr. Michel saviour of the galaxy!

Modifié par Voicebox, 09 février 2010 - 07:56 .